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Windows 7: Abomination. Do you think this of Windows 8 too?

28 Jul 2013   #21
smarteyeball

 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by strollin View Post
For those that like the Start screen, with it's tiles and "modern" apps they can choose to use that, for those like me that prefer the traditional desktop, a single click is all that is required (and even that is eliminated with 8.1). Some people may even prefer to stay in the middle using what they like from both interfaces.
Exactly.

You can either embrace or ignore "modern". I largely ignore it.




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For those that need more than what is provided by windows itself, there are quite a few 3rd party apps like Classic Shell or Stardock.
Like myself. I started with Classic Shell and ended up Stardocking my installation. Any last niggles with 8 sorted. It's that simple.

By mixing native Win and Stardock I have an OS that suits me and my usage. So much so I'm sticking with the vanilla Win 8.


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IMO, there are way too many people whining about Win 8 given the fact that it is not significantly different from Win 7. I feel the hatred for it is totally unfounded.
It is rather pointless. Unnecessary vitriol.

Although I think it's almost mandatory to report distaste after first usage. 8 seems to have a habit of just annoying people on first sight. I know my initial impressions were not favorable.

Then I installed Classic Shell... Irritation gone. A very easy fix.


If it were unfixable, then the hate would have a leg to stand on, but it is easily fixable and thus no leg.
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28 Jul 2013   #22
ThrashZone

Win-7-Pro64bit 7-H-Prem-64bit
 
 

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It's interesting that people that haven't even tried Win 8 can be so opposed to it.
I hope I haven't given that impression ?
I'm not a win-8 basher just an uninterested observer I intend to ride win-7 all the way to 2020..
Beside with mediocre chip sets as it is I don't see what the advantage would be in win-8.1 for my machines.
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29 Jul 2013   #23
Kari

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Funny that all three machines I tried to them on didn't have it.
Native out-of-the-box Windows 8 features, 100% sure there. PEBKAC.
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29 Jul 2013   #24
ThrashZone

Win-7-Pro64bit 7-H-Prem-64bit
 
 

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Funny that all three machines I tried to them on didn't have it.
Native out-of-the-box Windows 8 features, 100% sure there. PEBKAC.
If you could post a picture of what is listed in System/ Advanced system settings/ Performance/ Visual effects, possibly we might have a better idea of the changes and entry options,
I'm not in habit of downloading things just to try them out, especially a new o.s. which if not done properly can have someone reloading win-7 when they might not like doing so as another Chill room question said they do it every month lol Not Me.
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29 Jul 2013   #25
Kari

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Funny that all three machines I tried to them on didn't have it.
Native out-of-the-box Windows 8 features, 100% sure there. PEBKAC.
If you could post a picture of what is listed in System/ Advanced system settings/ Performance/ Visual effects, possibly we might have a better idea of the changes and entry options,
I'm not in habit of downloading things just to try them out, especially a new o.s. which if not done properly can have someone reloading win-7 when they might not like doing so as another Chill room question said they do it every month lol Not Me.
Dude posted a link to an excellent article about this, no need for me to explain it anymore. The link once again: Aero Isn’t Gone in Windows 8: 6 Aero Features You Can Still Use.

I am just saying that as so often in computing, usually the real reason for something not working or "missing" is a user error.

Kari
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29 Jul 2013   #26
jimbo45

Linux CENTOS 7 / various Windows OS'es and servers
 
 

Hi there
My main gripe with W8 is essentially two fold -- one is the total ridiculousness of using FIXED resolution on Large monitors for Metro apps -- on a 60 inch high quality LCD these just look STUPID and people are buying better and larger monitors these days even if they aren't buying so many PC's. You really need to be able to window these properly so as not to waste screen real estate, and secondly the fact that every time you install say large windows applications like the full adobe CS suite or Visual Studio (full version) every stupid .EXE file creates a tile - and it's a real messy and tedious job to tidy this all up AFTER installation.

Performance wise W8 is fine but I rather think the idea of having an endless 5 KM scroll on the screen isn't the best way of running large numbers of applications --even on a Mobile phone I find scrolling gets tedious as the number of applications installed rises.

Maybe a top level tile which expands into lower level tiles might be better for desktops.

As for Windows to go -- an EXCELLENT tool but should be available to NON enterprise users too -- there are loads of external consultants out there who could usefully use this system. I'm lucky as I got mine on a previous contract -- or you can get it from TechNet (W8 enterprise) but that service unfortunately will be shutting its doors soon. In this case the interface is OK since it would be somewhat unusual to have 100's of apps installed on a Windows to Go system.

I run VMware workstation on it with W7 and XP guest VM's --that way I don't have to keep re-activating Office when I'm at a different site and different hardware is detected. The W8 Enterprise is KMS activated so no problem with the HOST w8togo system. Using an SSD for this even the VM's give a very satisfactory response time.

@ any Ms employee reading this stuff -- please widen the availability of W8 to go. (Actually provided you use the BCD command from a W8 enterprise system you can actually create a Windows to Go from a W8 PRO system. !!! W8.1 isn't available yet though in an Enterprise version either).

Cheers
jimbo
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29 Jul 2013   #27
ThrashZone

Win-7-Pro64bit 7-H-Prem-64bit
 
 

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Native out-of-the-box Windows 8 features, 100% sure there. PEBKAC.
I am just saying that as so often in computing, usually the real reason for something not working or "missing" is a user error.
It might be more helpful to refer us to Brink's tutorials although Dude's link was already seen and acknowledged as helpful by myself and confirmed at least two features I use everyday are gone in win-8,
User Error ?
I'd say installing windows 8/ 8.1 on any machine without touch screen interface would be the biggest user error,
Another user error would be accomplished very easily spending the first week in regedit tweeking odd install defaults on such a machine.
Cheers.
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29 Jul 2013   #28
Kari

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

 

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I am just saying that as so often in computing, usually the real reason for something not working or "missing" is a user error.
It might be more helpful to refer us to Brink's tutorials although Dude's link was already seen and acknowledged as helpful by myself and confirmed at least two features I use everyday are gone in win-8,
User Error ?...
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With user error I was referring to this post:
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Lady Fitzgerald View Post
Funny that all three machines I tried to them on didn't have it.
I apologize if that was not clear.
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29 Jul 2013   #29
strollin

W10 Pro desktop, W10 laptop, W10 laptop, W10 Pro tablet (all 64-bit)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by ThrashZone View Post
I'd say installing windows 8/ 8.1 on any machine without touch screen interface would be the biggest user error,
Another user error would be accomplished very easily spending the first week in regedit tweeking odd install defaults on such a machine.
Cheers.
Huh? None of my Win 8/8.1 machines have a touch screen and I like it that way. Touch screen interface on anything other than a phone or tablet is pretty much useless.

I've never needed to do any regedit tweaks to my Win 8 machines.
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29 Jul 2013   #30
ThrashZone

Win-7-Pro64bit 7-H-Prem-64bit
 
 

Kari,
I was following your flow but without knowing everything or just the basics about win-8/ 8.1 it's a bit premature to jump into a o.s. which has so many defaults for touch interface/ first release was not all that friendly for a mouse or some types of mice possibly ?
I'm not a member of the Polar bears so cold/ freezing water is not appealing,
Brink has been hard at work for sure making these tutorials,
But you have to remember windows 7's defaults are not as left field as windows 8's are,
I have spent no time in regedit in windows 7 which will not be the case in win-8.1
I've rejected Bing desktop search/ and Skydrive folder in win-7 then you get to all of the scroll bars/ icon sizes.....
Seems a bit cumbersome just for a new o.s. IMHO
Ease of use and basic customization has to be on the forefront of an o.s.
I'm not an engineer,
Cheers.
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