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Windows 7: So what do you think of Lance Armstrong?

16 Oct 2012   #71
spencer1

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Australian TV did a well researched piece on the Armstrong doping controversy. It includes video of Lance and others testifying in the SCA Promotions case. Lance firmly states under oath that he has never used performance enhancing drugs. Hmmm.

The show is 46 minutes long, and covers a lot of detail. Worth a watch if you have some time:
The World According to Lance - Four Corners
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17 Oct 2012   #72
JimJoe

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Sadly, we have no way of knowing if these expose's are truthful, or just someone being cruel.
Really? There are an awful lot of 'someones' in this case. Conspiracy theories are best left to kiddies.
I don't listen to conspiracy theories. I'm saying when one person attacks spomeone famous, others jump on the bandwagon. They rarely have truth at hand, they just like to attack more like sharks in a feeding frenzy than 'concerned reporters'.
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17 Oct 2012   #73
Golden
Microsoft MVP

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When faced with overwhelming evidence, the best defence is denial. Sorry Lance Strongarms, it seems clear-cut to me............
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17 Oct 2012   #74
pincushion

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by JimJoe View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by pincushion View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by JimJoe View Post
Sadly, we have no way of knowing if these expose's are truthful, or just someone being cruel.
Really? There are an awful lot of 'someones' in this case. Conspiracy theories are best left to kiddies.
I don't listen to conspiracy theories. I'm saying when one person attacks spomeone famous, others jump on the bandwagon. They rarely have truth at hand, they just like to attack more like sharks in a feeding frenzy than 'concerned reporters'.
What like Jimmy Savile? There is no 'jumping on the bandwagon', only a number of people who appear to be corroborating each other as to what happened. Whether anyone is famous or not is besides the point. Fame, as in Savile's case gave him some protection from prosecution whilst he was alive.

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17 Oct 2012   #75
Britton30
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To answer the title question, who cares?
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17 Oct 2012   #76
whs
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Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
 
 

I have been watching the tour since the 70's. It is unfortunate to say, but I think there has been doping going on at all times. It has only been relatively recent that the authorities started focussing on it.

The problem is that if they take the titles away from Armstron, they will default to the ones who came in second - and have been doping too. So what's the point.
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17 Oct 2012   #77
bigmck

Windows 7 Home Premium 32-Bit - Build 7600 SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by whs View Post
I have been watching the tour since the 70's. It is unfortunate to say, but I think there has been doping going on at all times. It has only been relatively recent that the authorities started focussing on it.

The problem is that if they take the titles away from Armstron, they will default to the ones who came in second - and have been doping too. So what's the point.
The first year that Armstrong did not race the Tour, didn't the guy that won get disqualified for doping? That should say a lot about the whole sport.
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17 Oct 2012   #78
whs
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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by bigmck View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by whs View Post
I have been watching the tour since the 70's. It is unfortunate to say, but I think there has been doping going on at all times. It has only been relatively recent that the authorities started focussing on it.

The problem is that if they take the titles away from Armstron, they will default to the ones who came in second - and have been doping too. So what's the point.
The first year that Armstrong did not race the Tour, didn't the guy that won get disqualified for doping? That should say a lot about the whole sport.
That is correct if you mean Alberto Contador. He got a 2 year ban but his case was never fully proven either. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alberto_C._Velasco
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17 Oct 2012   #79
Dwarf

Windows 8.1 Pro RTM x64
 
 

He (Lance Armstrong) has been dropped by Nike over this issue. BBC Sport - Lance Armstrong dropped by Nike over doping evidence

As regards Jimmy Savile, he wrote the following in his autobiography:
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Jimmy Savile Autobiography
“‘Ah,’ says I all serious, ‘if she comes in I’ll bring her back tomorrow but I’ll keep her all night first as my reward’.”
More on this sordid entry: Jimmy Savile's affections laid bare by...Jimmy Savile? | Times Opinion on Tumblr

The questions remain:

Why did these issues remain as they are for so long? In the latter case (Savile), surely alarm bells would (or should) have been ringing given such an autobiographical entry.

As regards Armstrong, he didn't cause anyone any direct harm through his cheating (although he has brought his sport into disrepute), he only deluded himself. Savile, on the other hand, based on the allegations currently circulating, certainly did directly harm those who were unfortunate to come into contact with him under the circumstances alleged in the reports.
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18 Oct 2012   #80
pincushion

Windows 7 x64 SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Dwarf View Post
He (Lance Armstrong) has been dropped by Nike over this issue. BBC Sport - Lance Armstrong dropped by Nike over doping evidence

As regards Jimmy Savile, he wrote the following in his autobiography:
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Jimmy Savile Autobiography
“‘Ah,’ says I all serious, ‘if she comes in I’ll bring her back tomorrow but I’ll keep her all night first as my reward’.”
More on this sordid entry: Jimmy Savile's affections laid bare by...Jimmy Savile? | Times Opinion on Tumblr

The questions remain:

Why did these issues remain as they are for so long? In the latter case (Savile), surely alarm bells would (or should) have been ringing given such an autobiographical entry.

As regards Armstrong, he didn't cause anyone any direct harm through his cheating (although he has brought his sport into disrepute), he only deluded himself. Savile, on the other hand, based on the allegations currently circulating, certainly did directly harm those who were unfortunate to come into contact with him under the circumstances alleged in the reports.
I think the Savile case is a bit like the Michael Jackson one where he was known to have an interest in children but his 'fame' allowed a lot of leeway. I think Michael Jackson's 'Bad' was perhaps his way of expressing himself as it seems did Savile in some of his comments. Times were different then and groupies to Rock groups were known to be rather young so probably many will have something that they would not like to be made public now.

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