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Windows 7: CD ripping to be permitted following UK copyright reform

24 Dec 2012   #11

Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Layback Bear View Post
I'm at a loss to understand this new law. Help me if you will please.
Does this new law help or hinder people from buying a movie DVD and then using a utorrant and send it to a few thousand friends and family around the world for personal use of course? How and who gets to make the decision on what is or is not personal use. It stated in the article that this law would improve the U.K. economy. I don't understand that either. It surly won't boost the economy of the copyright holder. It will probable improve the black market when you can buy a $20.00 movie for $5.00. For personal use of friends and family only of course.
If one allows a small child to handle or play with a costly DVD then that someone should be responsible for that action not the copyright holder. As you can read I'm confused on how this law is a good law.
PS: I have never had a copyright but I do honor all copyrights others have.
In the past, it was illegal for Brits to rip a CD they owned so the could play it on the CD owner's own personal player, something many, if not most (including the U.S.), countries consider to be fair use. Now that copying is legal, it's possible people will buy more CDs since they won't worry about the original CD getting damaged in use. Also, since they can legally rip CDs, more people may buy them so they can play them on personal players instead of depending on downloads only. I see independant artists who only sell CDs especially benefitting from this change.

It won't improve the black market because they already copy movies for resale.
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24 Dec 2012   #12

Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Layback Bear View Post
How and who does the checking on whether it is personal use. Does someone come to your house and check if you have a original paid for DVD. Once the copyright laws are opened up who monitors the use copyrighted material. Is there some method to check how many copies are sent to friend and family for personal use of course using P2P. I don't see a way to monitor or enforce this new law. Anybody can copy anything and send it any place with no monitoring by anybody or organization.
Understanding a law and not having a way of enforcing the law is not worth much.
The RIAA, etc. monitor the internet for heavy uploaders and go after them.
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24 Dec 2012   #13

Win 7 Pro 64-bit 7601
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Layback Bear View Post
Anybody can copy anything and send it any place with no monitoring by anybody or organization.
Uhm, this is a matter of fact since the dawn of the broadband internet, I don't see how that law is going to make it worse than it is now.

It is going to decrease piracy by turning some kinds of it into legitimate use.
I mean, before this law making copies of disks for personal use was illegal, but I really doubt anyone did obey the law nor the police was horribly eager to enforce it.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Lady Fitzgerald
Also, since they can legally rip CDs, more people may buy them so they can play them on personal players instead of depending on downloads only. I see independant artists who only sell CDs especially benefitting from this change.
While I agree that it's a great show of civilization, I find this hard to believe. From what I know, most artists here are actually benefitting from piracy (various artists claimed that). That is the money they made off selling CDs was low even before as the lion share goes to the music industry, and now they do more live events where the share of the music industry is low.

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The RIAA, etc. monitor the internet for heavy uploaders and go after them.
RIAA= epic fail. Has no real control over anything not in the US, and even there is limited.
Also, P2P? What about youtube? That's the top and safest way to get illegal music for youngsters afaik.
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26 Dec 2012   #14

Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit sp1
 
 

Look at it this way

Doing it the way me and WishMaster has presented this it is good for all
even the Quality of Video would be 10x better then a bit torrent that supposedly has HD type quality plus you have the options of the whole menu which some people like to have
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26 Dec 2012   #15

W7 X-64 W8.1 X-64 Opensuse 13.1 W2003 Server
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Golden View Post
Quote:
Copying music, film and other digital media for personal use is to be made legal under changes to how the UK government enforces copyright.

The changes will be introduced in 2013 and will enable third parties to reproduce copyrighted work without permission from rights holders when copying works for individual use, parody or quotation. They will allow people to legally rip MP3s from their CDs and copy digital versions of films they own, a practice that is currently illegal, although no one is prosecuted for it.
Read more : CD ripping to be permitted following UK copyright reform | ZDNet

Hi there
Happy Xmas and new year.

What's a CD !! -- does anybody BUY these any more. - Even if you like High quality music rather than compressed mp3's you can get these via electronic download (LEGAL !!) from a lot of sites -- I like classical music and this site for example has legal DRM free downloads for purchase.

For example http://www.linnrecords.com/
and here

http://www.eclassical.com/ ==> this has an interesting business model too -- per SECOND charging so you pay for quantity of music rather than "Per CD" or whatever. Time will tell if this model works.



............................
World's first download music store with per-second charging.

We thought the music business needed a new pricing model. In any of today’s common music websites, customers pay per track, regardless of how long the track is, up to a limit - then they pay double, triple or more, depending on some rules that make sense to those who decide on the pricing, but that leave customers quite confused and unsure of what they get for their money. Or often, it is a fixed album price, regardless if it is 39 minutes or 82. Hmm…
It's the same with postage. I know it's not only me that gets irritated when one has to pay double postage just because the letter weighs 21 grammes, 1 gram over the 20 gram limit. So, for this 1 gram one pays the postage for a further 29 grammes, since the next limit is 50 grammes.
At eClassical we have decided to rethink the whole pricing system, and so from now on, you pay for precisely what you buy, not more, not less. This is done by charging per second, and the charge is set at a level where a normal album will not be more expensive than before, rather very often the contrary. The per second price in US$ is 0.2-0.3 cent/sec, which works out at 8.40-12.60 for a 70-minute album. In 24-bit these numbers are 0.3-0.55 cents/sec or 12.60-23.10 for a 70-minute album.
So you can forget about tracks and track durations, or albums and their durations. You can just buy whatever you want to have, from any album, and, the way this works out, you get what you pay for!
Enjoy!
George Olvik
CEO, eClassical.com
.................................................................................................... .........

I ripped all my cd's to FLAC years ago -- Most of my colleagues did as well -- so even though this law pertains to the UK doesn't it remind you of "Horses and Stable doors".

With most of the horrendous problems in West and Northern Europe you'd think the politicians would try and sort out the Economic mess this whole area is in and do things to stimulate Job creation etc rather than waste time with this sort of stuff which people did YEARS ago and never had the slightest smidgen of being even remotely enforceable.

@Solarshines

The Forum rules don't permit me to name the site -- but there is ONE cryptically known as "The fillipino felines" which usually has extremely fast downloads - sometimes as high as 5 or 6 Mb/sec with plenty of seeders- and often has complete full DVD rips so Bit torrent stuff isn't always as poor quality as it used to be.

I agree though bit torrent isn't the best or recommended way -- but often if content either isn't available any more or not available in your area then this is the only solution.

I'd always prefer to buy the content - but in some countries the threat of prosecution for removing the regional encoding on a DVD or copy protection can carry a HIGHER penalty than for actually downloading an entire Pirated copy from a torrent site.

Lawyers --go and figure that one out too. !!!

I do draw the line at this however screenshot enc.

Cheers
jimbo


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26 Dec 2012   #16

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 7600
 
 

i've been ripping music since i was a kid, i used to use this format.



i had a crap tape player when it recorded you got the recording of the motor whirring too.
oh how times have changed. i have a box full in the attic.
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26 Dec 2012   #17

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26 Dec 2012   #18

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I remember in the early 1980's I was in a store and was going to purchase a new "music console". It had the turntable, two speakers and the tape player. They had two different models. One had the eight-track player and the other had the new cassette player. I told the salesman several times that I wanted the new cassette, not the old eight-track. Now that I look back, that whole thing is so ancient. Next time you are watching a rerun of a TV show from the late 1980's to early 1990's, look and see how many things are there that are no longer used. It will amaze you how things have changed in such a short time.
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26 Dec 2012   #19

Win 7 Pro 64-bit 7601
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Solarstarshines View Post
Doing it the way me and WishMaster has presented this it is good for all
even the Quality of Video would be 10x better then a bit torrent that supposedly has HD type quality plus you have the options of the whole menu which some people like to have
you can easily add a menu with most burning programs (in the rare cases you need it), and yes, cd/DVD rips from trusted sources have full HD quality and/or 3D if applicable even for tv series (yeah, it's a truckload of GB to download, but the quality is there). The only thing you usually lose is special content like actor interviews and whatever. There is the very real risk some joker did upload the wrong film though. Quite a few friends ended up torrenting a porn movie called (makeshift translation) "Snowwhite under the dwarves" or similar puke-causing stuff.

The main reason to have a HTPC or anyway using a computer or a digital box instead of a dvd player is that you can skip the middlemen (disks) entirely.

Doing it legally is only a matter of personal integrity.

I personally don't care as I only watch movies at multiplex and remember them for the rest of my life.

Quote:
High quality music rather than compressed mp3's you can get these via electronic download (LEGAL !!) from a lot of sites
The same for movies. As long as you have a decent broadband anyway.
I know of some places that charge you 10 $ a month and you can watch anything, legally. At least in theory.

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in some countries the threat of prosecution for removing the regional encoding on a DVD or copy protection can carry a HIGHER penalty than for actually downloading an entire Pirated copy from a torrent site.
yeah, a high penalty for something none gives a flying *cough* to enforce.
Seriously, checking the regional encoding of DVD players is not something I see even german police doing.
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27 Dec 2012   #20

W7 X-64 W8.1 X-64 Opensuse 13.1 W2003 Server
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by bobafetthotmail View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Solarstarshines View Post
Doing it the way me and WishMaster has presented this it is good for all
even the Quality of Video would be 10x better then a bit torrent that supposedly has HD type quality plus you have the options of the whole menu which some people like to have
you can easily add a menu with most burning programs (in the rare cases you need it), and yes, cd/DVD rips from trusted sources have full HD quality and/or 3D if applicable even for tv series (yeah, it's a truckload of GB to download, but the quality is there). The only thing you usually lose is special content like actor interviews and whatever. There is the very real risk some joker did upload the wrong film though. Quite a few friends ended up torrenting a porn movie called (makeshift translation) "Snowwhite under the dwarves" or similar puke-causing stuff.

The main reason to have a HTPC or anyway using a computer or a digital box instead of a dvd player is that you can skip the middlemen (disks) entirely.

Doing it legally is only a matter of personal integrity.

I personally don't care as I only watch movies at multiplex and remember them for the rest of my life.

Quote:
High quality music rather than compressed mp3's you can get these via electronic download (LEGAL !!) from a lot of sites
The same for movies. As long as you have a decent broadband anyway.
I know of some places that charge you 10 $ a month and you can watch anything, legally. At least in theory.

Quote:
in some countries the threat of prosecution for removing the regional encoding on a DVD or copy protection can carry a HIGHER penalty than for actually downloading an entire Pirated copy from a torrent site.
yeah, a high penalty for something none gives a flying *cough* to enforce.
Seriously, checking the regional encoding of DVD players is not something I see even german police doing.

Hi there
The fact that it's on the Statute books AT ALL shows how totally Bovine a lot of this nonsense is.

Open up the Formats - don't make people wait 6 months or more after releasing a film for the Cinema before it's available for LEGAL purchasable download - and remove all B/S DRM stuff so people can view or listen to their legally acquired digital content on ANY device whatsoever.

I often buy E-Books from Amazon - but as a matter of course I ALWAYS REMOVE DRM from these and convert to epub too -- as I have 2 e-readers - one a Kindle and another a Sony. I use the Sony more than the kindle as it has an external Micro SD card so I store my e-books on that and convert with CALIBRE.

If these Movie / studio moguls could see beyond the end of their noses they could reduce Piracy by at least 50% at a STROKE.

It's not my type of movie but The Hobbit was available for download on some torrent sites almost HOURS of it being released for the movie theatres -- and not all these copies were poor "CAM" rips either.

I'm sure Hollywood could have grossed a fortune if this had been released in DVD / Download / Movie theatres all at the same time.

I can't honestly say that having the DVD has EVER stopped me going to the cinema when I've wanted to --watching a film on the big screen in a theatre is a totally different experience to home no matter how good a setup you have.

Some of the Hollywood execs should "Get Real" -- Torrents -- like Drug Dealers are never going away entirely -- what you need to do is create the conditions so that the Market for the users of these "Services" are no longer needed or greatly reduced.

Cheers
and a Happy New Year.
Jimbo
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