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Windows 7: Windows 10 worse than windows 8

23 Mar 2015   #161
whs
Microsoft MVP

Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by ThrashZone View Post
Easiest way to use a local account without looking at all is to disconnect from the internet during install,
It also saves about 20-30 minutes from the install time to desktop
Yeah, that's what I did. Then you can't make a mistake because the local account is really hidden. I don't even remember now how I stumbled on it. I think it was by just insisting on next, next, next.
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23 Mar 2015   #162
whs
Microsoft MVP

Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
 
 

Quote:
In my Opinion, Windows 7 is the greatest home OS ever. There will be no OS no matter how hard MS may try would be able to replace it.
That is well said. I guess they know that themselves. That's why they decided to give W10 away for free. I wonder how many people will take it at first and then go back to their good W7 anyhow. If it was difficult to get people off XP, it will be even more difficult to get them off W7.
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23 Mar 2015   #163
Lady Fitzgerald

Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by MrNeeds View Post
It took longer to burn the disc than it did to install TBH, long ways from XP installs that used to take upwards of 45 minutes to install.

Virgin media fibre is awesome :P
Dang! You really know how to hurt a girl! And here I've been bragging about the 25-60Mbps download, depending on the time of day, and a fairly consistent 6.9Mbps upload speeds with my new DOCSIS modem, router, and USB 3.0 Wi-Fi adapter (I was getting a bit over twice the upload speed for a week or so until my IPS started throttling it).
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23 Mar 2015   #164
Kari

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by ThrashZone View Post
Anything listed on the start menus all apps page can be right clicked and if uninstall does not appear can't be removed/ easily anyway
We must have a very different definition for "easy".

Install Windows unti you come to first OOBE dialogs, press CTRL+SHIFT+F3 to interrupt installation and reboot to Audit Mode.

When in Audit Mode let the Sysprep GUI stay open in desktop. Open an elevated PowerShell and give this command:
Code:
Get-AppxPackage | % {if (!($_.IsFramework -or $_.PublisherId -eq "cw5n1h2txyewy")) {$_}} | Remove-AppxPackage
Now click OK in Sysprep GUI. This runs the Sysprep, exits Audit Mode and continues installation where you left it to enter Audit Mode.

Windows 10 will now be installed without any of the Store Apps like Weather, Sports, Xbox, News, Food & Drink and so on. Store itself cannot be removed but shouldn't be a deal breaker to anyone.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by DavidE View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by ThrashZone View Post
Microsoft has hidden the local account listings a bit but last I installed it is still an option you just have to look for it
I just installed the latest WTP build as a clean install in a VM.
I didn't see the choice to use a local account during the install, so i used my MS Outlook account.
Guess i didn't look hard enough
To set up WIndows 10 Build 10041 with a local account you will need two or three mouse clicks:

Local account, step1 (This step only if you have a clean install):
Windows 10 worse than windows 8-15019d1426977031-windows-10-technical-preview-build-10041-now-available-2015-03-21_23h20_35.png
Local account, step 2:
Windows 10 worse than windows 8-15020d1426977031-windows-10-technical-preview-build-10041-now-available-2015-03-21_23h21_19.png
Local account, step 3:
Windows 10 worse than windows 8-15021d1426977031-windows-10-technical-preview-build-10041-now-available-2015-03-21_23h22_15.png
Local account, step 4:
Windows 10 worse than windows 8-15022d1426977031-windows-10-technical-preview-build-10041-now-available-2015-03-21_23h24_17.png


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23 Mar 2015   #165
ThrashZone

Win-7-Pro64bit 7-H-Prem-64bit
 
 

Yep I believe we do have different definitions

The point is without a Microsoft account being used there should be no apps for Microsoft to setup in the first place.

All apps should be in the store.
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23 Mar 2015   #166
aritra2116

Windows 10 Home 64-Bit
 
 

As many of us probably know, Windows 7 was originally going to be the successor to Windows XP, not Vista. It was codenamed 'Blackcomb' and was going to have enhanced security features and more reliability. Because at that time many PCs were affected by the Blaster and Sasser worms, MS thought it would be a wise choice to develop an OS like that at that time. But the project was dropped and we had Vista. Windows 7 returned development after that under the codename of 'Vienna'. I think MS needs a similar turnout of events to find a successor to Win7 otherwise, the smartphone era only inspires MS to go more cloudy and less user friendly for the average user.
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23 Mar 2015   #167
Night Hawk

W7 Ultimate x64/W10 Pro x64 dual boot main build-remote pc W10 Pro x64 Insider Preview/W7 Pro x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by z3r010 View Post
20-30 minutes install time mine is internet connected and doesn't take any more than 15 minutes to install from scratch.
I won't know the exact time for the latest build since it seems to be hanging at 16% during the "Getting devices ready" stage on the latest VMPlayer build. Next stop is the latest VBox to see how it goes there.

It definitely moves along much faster then the 8 previews ran VM or direct install which took an hour!

Oops! VBox for sure! It's playing hard to get on VMPlayer The 8.1 preview still runs however.
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23 Mar 2015   #168
chmegma

win 7 prof 64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Kari View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by ThrashZone View Post
Anything listed on the start menus all apps page can be right clicked and if uninstall does not appear can't be removed/ easily anyway
We must have a very different definition for "easy".

Install Windows unti you come to first OOBE dialogs, press CTRL+SHIFT+F3 to interrupt installation and reboot to Audit Mode.

When in Audit Mode let the Sysprep GUI stay open in desktop. Open an elevated PowerShell and give this command:
Code:
Get-AppxPackage | % {if (!($_.IsFramework -or $_.PublisherId -eq "cw5n1h2txyewy")) {$_}} | Remove-AppxPackage
Now click OK in Sysprep GUI. This runs the Sysprep, exits Audit Mode and continues installation where you left it to enter Audit Mode.

Windows 10 will now be installed without any of the Store Apps like Weather, Sports, Xbox, News, Food & Drink and so on. Store itself cannot be removed but shouldn't be a deal breaker to anyone.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by DavidE View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by ThrashZone View Post
Microsoft has hidden the local account listings a bit but last I installed it is still an option you just have to look for it
I just installed the latest WTP build as a clean install in a VM.
I didn't see the choice to use a local account during the install, so i used my MS Outlook account.
Guess i didn't look hard enough
To set up WIndows 10 Build 10041 with a local account you will need two or three mouse clicks:

Local account, step1 (This step only if you have a clean install):
Attachment 353551
Local account, step 2:
Attachment 353548
Local account, step 3:
Attachment 353549
Local account, step 4:
Attachment 353550

after reading the responses, it is clear that you like the windows. kudos to you.

the idea that you consider

"Install Windows unti you come to first OOBE dialogs, press CTRL+SHIFT+F3 to interrupt installation and reboot to Audit Mode.

When in Audit Mode let the Sysprep GUI stay open in desktop. Open an elevated PowerShell and give this command:
Code:
Get-AppxPackage | % {if (!($_.IsFramework -or $_.PublisherId -eq "cw5n1h2txyewy")) {$_}} | Remove-AppxPackage
Now click OK in Sysprep GUI. This runs the Sysprep, exits Audit Mode and continues installation where you left it to enter Audit Mode.

Windows 10 will now be installed without any of the Store Apps like Weather, Sports, Xbox, News, Food & Drink and so on.."

as an easy way to not install programs that should ask me if i want them in the first place, and then end with

"Store itself cannot be removed but shouldn't be a deal breaker to anyone."

seems like you will just disregard what people say simply because you do not feel the same way.

since i will not be able to keep the store off of my computer if i switch to win 10, will i be able to keep it turned off so that it does not perform a search as i type?
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23 Mar 2015   #169
Kari

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by chmegma View Post
the idea that you consider

Quote:
Quote removed as unnecessary
as an easy way to not install programs that should ask me if i want them in the first place, and then end with

"Store itself cannot be removed but shouldn't be a deal breaker to anyone."

seems like you will just disregard what people say simply because you do not feel the same way.

since i will not be able to keep the store off of my computer if i switch to win 10, will i be able to keep it turned off so that it does not perform a search as i type?
This whole debate is really getting funny. The vast majority of users of Windows 8 and later use a Microsoft Account, and even quite a many of those starting with a local account later on convert it to an MS Account. Of course Microsoft should make the Windows as ready as possible to majority of its users, especially when the Modern apps when present and not removed need never be launched and used if a user does not want to.

I presented a procedure for those who just out of principal reasons want to get rid of those apps, making the install process a few minutes longer. What I said is that OK, if those apps you don't have to use disturb you there's an easy way to remove them while installing. Installation takes a few minutes more but that's it.

The apps need naturally be there for the majority. It is much less hassle and much better customer service from Microsoft's side to offer us users of an MS account a full version but leave the option to get a reduced version if a user so wishes. It would be plain stupid to make Windows for the minority and then tell the majority to download this and that if they want a full version.

Quote:
... since i will not be able to keep the store off of my computer if i switch to win 10, will i be able to keep it turned off so that it does not perform a search as i type?
That is something I do not understand. Where on earth have you geeks found this, is this debate already gone so far that you don't even bother to check if your "I heard it" pseudo facts are true or not?

What has Store to do with Search? This is the Windows 10 Search when I searched Weather:
Windows 10 worse than windows 8-2015-03-23_22h23_34.png
Another search, this one shows one Modern (Store) app related to my search but again, what on earth has Store to do with Search?
Windows 10 worse than windows 8-2015-03-23_22h37_50.png
The biggest problem I have with these mostly ungrounded and invalid "facts" you geeks present is that as far as I know nobody has forced you nor will force you to use Windows in general and Windows 10 in particular. If that's so bad and dysfunctional in your opinion, please get a Mac or download one of the Linux distros.

It's not me who is disregarding the opinion of others. I have done my best to correct some most common untrues, invalid pseudo facts I have read. I feel quite often that it's the opposing forces who have totally forgotten, don't even want to admit that some of us are quite happy with new Windows; in fact, check any Windows related site and you'll find that the Windows 10 has already months before its release date quite a wide fan base.


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23 Mar 2015   #170
macgig

Mac OSX 10.6.8, Win 7 home premium sp1
 
 

I dont know anyone with 8 that does not hate it. not one person lol. I like windows 7 actually, its very "mac like".

I dont know a thing about 10 but if it's like 8, I'll pass and stick with 7.
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