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Windows 7: Windows 10 worse than windows 8

23 Mar 2015   #181
JDobbsy1987

Windows 8.1 Pro x64
 
 

I see that as a great approach Greg, it would feel like a much more natural approach to the app culture for users that would more than likely ignore it.
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23 Mar 2015   #182
whs
Microsoft MVP

Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
 
 

I would never use an MS mail app. I use AOL since day 1 and never lost a mail. I can still retrieve my mail from 2007 and need not use any storage space on my machine. Same with Gmail. If I think of all these poor suckers that lost their mail when going from one system to another I think I did the right thing.
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23 Mar 2015   #183
JDobbsy1987

Windows 8.1 Pro x64
 
 

I don't use the MS Mail App, i just go to GMail myself but why would using the MS Mail App cause you to lose mail?
Wouldn't it just reference whatever account you normally use such as AOL, GMail, Yahoo etc...?
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23 Mar 2015   #184
whs
Microsoft MVP

Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
 
 

If it can reference my current mails, then OK. I guess I have to try that.
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23 Mar 2015   #185
Boozad

W7 Pro x64 SP1 | W10 Pro IP x64 | W8.1 Pro x64 VM | Linux Mint VM
 
 

I just stick to Outlook personally, although the Mail app has worked fine for me as it auto synced to my Outlook account after me logging into W10 for the first time.
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23 Mar 2015   #186
Kari

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by gregrocker View Post
Unfortunately by giving it away they are pointing to the intention to double down on the Store model where apps are rented and I don't think people will pay for them, not their billion+ desktop customers who are trained and set in the Windows model.
Please someone explain this to me: quite a lot of these users who see the Windows Store as the Big Evil Who Brings The World To The End, in their Android and iOS phones and tablets see the same totally natural and acceptable.

Android: You need to use a Google account, if you need apps you search the Google store and if the app you want to is not free, you pay for it.

Windows 8 and later: You need an MS account but only if you want to use Windows Store, if you need apps you search the Windows store and if the app you want to is not free, you pay for it. The similarities end there: In addition, you can completely forget the store and download / buy desktop apps as in XP or Seven and use them, without any whatsoever account needed.

How is that in Android that is OK although Google tries everything they can to force you to use Google Play, but when Windows offers the Store as an additional feature which you may but are not forced to use, it's The Sign Of The Devil?

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by whs View Post
I would never use an MS mail app. I use AOL since day 1 and never lost a mail. I can still retrieve my mail from 2007 and need not use any storage space on my machine. Same with Gmail. If I think of all these poor suckers that lost their mail when going from one system to another I think I did the right thing.
Wolfgang, Windows Mail App uses IMAP and Exchange protocols. Both are similar in the way they handle the messages: they are stored on server. Setting up the Mail app in a new Windows 8 or later computer it retrieves all your mail, however old it may be as long as it still exists on server, if you want to. Of course you can only select for instance to show only last weeks messages in the app if you want to and then when you want to get the old ones, too, just change the settings.
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23 Mar 2015   #187
whs
Microsoft MVP

Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
 
 

Thanks Kari for the clarification. But I think I stick with what I have and know that it works from all my different Windows PCs, tablet, phone and my Android tablet. Has worked since 2007 and will probably work for the rest of my life.
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23 Mar 2015   #188
gregrocker

 

Ironically, Kari, I think it is my hand-me-down Iphone3 that got me inclined toward certain apps like their all-in-one popped Mail app and a few others. So sure I think the modern app culture will all accelerate this, but that MS just tried too fast in 8 to push it on a billion+ desktop users.

I also think I could live perfectly fine without any apps, but once I saw all five of my webmail boxes popped together in a nice GUI, it was an immediately useful timesaver. Then I got spoiled by the popups for new mail on my desktop while that feature of Windows 10 Mail was still working.
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23 Mar 2015   #189
Dude

Windows 10 Pro X64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Kari View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by gregrocker View Post
Unfortunately by giving it away they are pointing to the intention to double down on the Store model where apps are rented and I don't think people will pay for them, not their billion+ desktop customers who are trained and set in the Windows model.
Please someone explain this to me: quite a lot of these users who see the Windows Store as the Big Evil Who Brings The World To The End, in their Android and iOS phones and tablets see the same totally natural and acceptable.

Android: You need to use a Google account, if you need apps you search the Google store and if the app you want to is not free, you pay for it.

Windows 8 and later: You need an MS account but only if you want to use Windows Store, if you need apps you search the Windows store and if the app you want to is not free, you pay for it. The similarities end there: In addition, you can completely forget the store and download / buy desktop apps as in XP or Seven and use them, without any whatsoever account needed.

How is that in Android that is OK although Google tries everything they can to force you to use Google Play, but when Windows offers the Store as an additional feature which you may but are not forced to use, it's The Sign Of The Devil?

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by whs View Post
I would never use an MS mail app. I use AOL since day 1 and never lost a mail. I can still retrieve my mail from 2007 and need not use any storage space on my machine. Same with Gmail. If I think of all these poor suckers that lost their mail when going from one system to another I think I did the right thing.
Wolfgang, Windows Mail App uses IMAP and Exchange protocols. Both are similar in the way they handle the messages: they are stored on server. Setting up the Mail app in a new Windows 8 or later computer it retrieves all your mail, however old it may be as long as it still exists on server, if you want to. Of course you can only select for instance to show only last weeks messages in the app if you want to and then when you want to get the old ones, too, just change the settings.
Kari, I agree with you. I read over and over how people don't want to change what they have. They accept change in so many ways, but once MS does it with an OS it becomes evil. To me it is just a matter of adapting to how you get to your end point so to say. It may be a little different, but it is the same.

For all the W7 users I mean no offense, but come on, you are holding on to old ways the same as XP users did. A lot of the old XP holdouts are the same ones that are now W7 hold outs. It is the same argument, I don't want change, I like how it is with my current OS.

It's an OS...adapt to the change and make it work for you, the newer OS's are better. I love W7, but W8.1 is better after using it. It takes time to get past the learning curve, but once you do you will see what I mean. end of rant
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23 Mar 2015   #190
whs
Microsoft MVP

Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
 
 

There are two conflicting forces. One is "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" and the other is "If it is new, it must be better". The art is to find the middle way.
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