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Windows 7: Windows 10 worse than windows 8

24 Mar 2015   #211
whs
Microsoft MVP

Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
 
 

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That's because MS has a page saying sign in to your MS Account during the install.
There is no indication whatsoever that you can use a Local Account until you perform a bunch of extra clicks.

If it was the other way around there would less complaints.

No prizes for guessing why MS arranged it this way.
They are trying to trick people into signing up to the "Cloud" when they don't need to.

It's even worse than the download sites that have a giant download button (which is full of crapware or entirely unrelated to the software you are trying to download) and the real download is a tiny link hidden somewhere else on the same page.
This is absolutely right. I fell into the trap too the first time around. The default should be a local account with the MS account as an option for those who want it.

There are always smart guys who seem to know from day1 how to deal with this. Well, I was not that smart and I found it quite difficult to find the path to the local account on my own. It is well hidden - and don't tell me that this is not intentional.
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24 Mar 2015   #212
whs
Microsoft MVP

Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
 
 

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I haven't found anything that runs in VMWare that comes close to a regular install. I don't use them. The PC is virtual enough for me.
I run 8.1, 10 and a half dozen Linux in VMware Player. I see no difference to running them on the iron. The main difference is that it is much more convenient because I can pull any system up within seconds. And they boot fast - see here.
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24 Mar 2015   #213
JDobbsy1987

Windows 8.1 Pro x64
 
 

Genuine Question Here, I'm curious on peoples personal opinions...
What is the correct wording for creating accounts for None Technical people?

I will take pretty much at least 60% of my family for example here

It doesn't matter if the wording on screen was any of the following as it would mean nothing to them:
  • User Account
  • Local Account
  • Windows Account
  • Microsoft Account

We may look for Create a Local Account, my mum wouldn't...

In my opinion, the current wording in theory is not bad as my mum reading Create a local account means nothing however Create a new account does.

Maybe these screens don't clearly describe the difference between a MS Account and a None MS Account (Local Account)?

I'm a little bit on the fence, i see both side of the argument
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24 Mar 2015   #214
Kari

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by whs View Post
This is absolutely right. I fell into the trap too the first time around. The default should be a local account with the MS account as an option for those who want it.
No, absolutely no! I have to very strongly disagree.

Windows since version 8 is meant to be used with an MS Account. This is and of course should be the default, the designed way Microsoft has planned Windows to be used, the way majority of Windows 8 and later users sign in to Windows.

The local account is just an additional option for those who do not want to use the full potential of Windows. It allows these users to have their Windows as if it was Windows Seven, with no default connection to any online services.
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24 Mar 2015   #215
whs
Microsoft MVP

Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
 
 

I really don't care what MS plans. I have my own plan and that is to stay away from any controls, syncs and whatever else MS plans.
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24 Mar 2015   #216
Kari

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

 

The issue is not what you plan or how you would like to have it. The issue is that Windows is designed to give the user its full potential with an MS Account.

Luckily Microsoft has decided not to follow the suite of Apple and Google by forcing users but instead letting the old "No account needed" option for users like you to stay, to be there. IMO instead of complaining about these two extra mouse clicks it requires to create a local account we should remember this: A new OS which is designed to be used with an online account and yet MS has listened the users enough to let a legacy account system stay there for those who oppose the change. What more should we expect?
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24 Mar 2015   #217
whs
Microsoft MVP

Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
 
 

It is not the 2 extra clicks I am complaining about. It is the fact that you have to know that 2 extra clicks are required to get to the local account. There is no way of knowing that at the moment they want to force you into the MS account. It is at that time that both options should be clearly stated.
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24 Mar 2015   #218
Kari

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

 

I have to quote my earlier post:

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Kari View Post
I don't know, how difficult is it really? Task: create a local account to sign in to Windows. Choice to make: Either select Sign in to your MS Account, or select Create a new account.

Difficult to choose? In my opinion using common sense and logics is if not necessary but at least recommended.
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24 Mar 2015   #219
ThrashZone

Win-7-Pro64bit 7-H-Prem-64bit
 
 

Yes this new build is more simplified than prior builds were.
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24 Mar 2015   #220
gregrocker

 

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by gregrocker View Post
After a rough adjustment period, there is not a problem any longer with UEFI BIOS. I handle multiple cases of these here per day and have only had one I recall in a year's time that couldn't get installed to UEFI.. Firmware just had to catch up and it seems to have all done so. So it just take a little patience, getting the settings and any flash installer correct.
Since you seem to have mastered UEFI, can you then tell me how to install a persistent Linux distro on a flash drive that boots in UEFI. Here is the way I do it on a MBR drive.

Generally one must disable Secure Boot in BIOS setup (normally on Security tab, but can be elsewhere).

In addition with some BIOS' it requires enabling some level of Compatibility or CSM to install another OS. The setting might even be "Other OS." But what I would try first is "UEFI" or "UEFI first." Then the installation media needs to be booted as a UEFI device. Flash stick must be formatted from Option One of UEFI Bootable USB Flash Drive - Create in Windows

Remember that each BIOS setting when highlighted to examine its choices should offer some Help tips for it in the right hand help bar. You can also post back camera snaps of these questionable settings for more advice here. Some Manuals have become much more complete with a Legend for every BIOS setting.

Eventually each will get sorted if there is a brief trial and error period. If in doubt post back some screenshots of your UEFI, CSM, Legacy BIOS, Secure Boot and/or BIOS Boot Priority choices given.

More about UEFI BIOS vs. Legacy BIOS - YouTube
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