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Windows 7: Windows 10 worse than windows 8

25 Mar 2015   #241
Layback Bear

Windows 7 Pro. 64/SP-1
 
 

Or you could be a dummy like me and haven't made up their mind yet.

I can understand that to access Cloud base things you need a password just like you need a password to log into this forum. I really don't see a problem with that.

I would like the password methods and options simple and on one page that a new user doesn't have to find like finding the proper download button on Cnet.

Plain, simple and to the point which option does what.

You are 100% right, we have been using Cloud based things for decades. Most just never thought of where things were coming from when they ticked on it.
It just popped up on their screen when they ticked on it.

I really don't care if Microsoft gives Windows 10 away or charges $200.00 dollars.
My decision will be based on some very simple points.

1. Can I do more of what I want to do with Windows 10 compared to Windows 7?
2. Can the things I don't want that comes with Windows 10 be turned off or removed without having the knowledge of a Kari and the system still work properly?
3. Can I make Windows 10 like I want it to without a bunch of 3rd party programs or being a customization GURU. Nothing fancy because I don't do those kinds of thing now. I need to be able to adjust things to my different screens and seeing ability.
4. Will I be able to type things without Bing jumping up all the time.
5. Will I be able to normal things to me anyway like msconfig, Disk Management and Disk Clean ect without jumping through hoops or as talented as a Kari.
6. Can I type something into the Start Search and find things on my computer without a bunch of online B/S


I could make a longer list but their is no point. I think every one get the point.
At this time the what I call normal things either don't work, I don't know how to make them work or I can't find them.
Things that it is said will be fixed later; that is fine with me.
I can wait.

Oh, I also don't want any little colored squares any where on my computers.

I look at a new operating system like I look at any new program.

Does it do what I want it to do and better than the program I already use.
I also want to have control over it. I'm willing to pay for it. I don't need a free one and I'm surly not going to get a counterfeit or a non-genuine copy.
I don't want a system that requires 100 mb download speed to use something in a reasonable fashion that should already be on my hard drive or ssd.

I guess I'm just being picky. Kari you made a excellent point here. I totally agree.

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My recommendations

If you don't like whisky, drink beer. If you don't want to drive a Mazda, get a VW. If you don't like your spouse, get a divorce. If you hate spinach, don't eat it. If you don't like Windows 10, don't install it.
That is why I'm taking my time look through the good, bad and ugly of Windows 10. Hopefully I will be able to make a informed decision to buy or not to buy.
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25 Mar 2015   #242
ThrashZone

Win-7-Pro64bit 7-H-Prem-64bit
 
 

I believe through the years that I've read sync is what people are most concerned about.
Buggerman theories but some valid points about wasting resources or space for something that they would not or did not want to use.
Regardless even you have to give the individual the choice to have or not have an app to do such functions installed
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25 Mar 2015   #243
Lady Fitzgerald

Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Kari View Post
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 Cloud

Each and every Both of you geeks reading this are using cloud. A UK based company Designer Media Ltd. maintains these forums of ours on servers located in the USA. Everything is there, your avatar and the screenshots you have uploaded to your posts, the page frames and CSS files, each post, each word ever written in any section of the forums. When you clicked the title of this thread your local computer retrieved the data from the server in USA making it available to you wherever in the world you are. That is the very definition of cloud computing, storing the data somewhere else then using the correct tools, in this case a browser, to retrieve it to be used on a local computer.

The same with your email. Especially IMAP and Exchange mail protocols are pure cloud services; the messages are stored on a server from where you retrieve them to read on your local computer. YouTube, Netflix, Vimeo the same, you get data from a cloud streamed to your local computer. Gamers using Steam use cloud every time the Steam is running, and so on. Even checking the weather or reading the news is cloud based, the information stored and your request to get it handled on MSN Weather or CNN or what not, then presented to you on your local computer.

Regarding cloud services, the only difference between Windows XP & 7 compared to Windows 8 and later is that when using a Microsoft Account to sign in, the OneDrive storage, Mail and XBox apps work out-of-the-box and if you want to you can start installing software from the Windows Store. You can start backing up your files to OneDrive, get your emails and use your XBox games, music and videos without needing separately sign in to those services. That's it, that's the extent of the cloud in Windows 8 and later. By the way, of course it's totally up to you to decide if you want these services, you don't have to run OneDrive, Mail or XBox apps if you don't want to.

Those users who don't like the idea don't have to use any of these services. The same desktop software that they had installed on Seven can be installed in Eight and Ten and it can be used exactly as in Seven.

The absolutely only way not to use cloud services is never to connect to Internet. How fun or practical would that be?...
It's refreshing to see someone who understands what the cloud is. To over simplify what you just said, all the cloud is is a remote server accessed via the internet. However, not all cloud services are the same. Some can be trusted; some cannot. One of the biggest problems with using the cloud is internet availability. Not everyone has access to the broadband internet necessary for total cloud immersion as M$ and other companies (Adobe, are you listening?) are pushing us toward. Not everyone who does have the access can afford it or are willing to pay for it. It's one thing for big businesses to depend heavily on cloud storage and something else for starving students, Joe Sixpack struggling to put food on the family's table while keeping a roof over their heads, or Ma and Pa Kettle living month to month on an inadequate pension or just Social Security only.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Kari View Post
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 Local Account in Windows 8 and later

Since version 8 the Windows operating system is designed and meant to be used with a Microsoft Account. It is the default, the way it should be. It is of course natural that this, signing in with an existing MS Account or offering the option to create a new one are the ones which are preferred and shown as default.

However, Microsoft has made it very clear they do not force users to use an email account to sign in to Windows and given a quite an easy way to get around this and sign in with a local account. In my personal (and naturally quite subjective) opinion all these complaints about how difficult it is to sign in with a local account are ungrounded and invalid. Of course the selection is not there on the first dialog after the installation with 128 point bold and cursive font in blinking background. No, Windows is meant to be used with an MS Account.

But the option is there, easy to find and use. It is also well documented. Please forgive me to putting it this way but really, if a user do not bother to find out about this option and still is unable to find it, maybe this user really shouldn't use Windows at all due lacking capacity.

As the possibility to use a local account has remained about the same and can be done about as easy as it was in Windows 8, I have been really surprised to see and hear these complaints. Not a single post has been about "How nice that Microsoft continues supporting the non email based sign in in Windows 10". Why? This is also one of those things where the reason to a complaint has to be made up. I can almost see it when I close my eyes, a "Windows Sucks" geek sitting in front of his PC, thinking about what he should post now to show how much he hates it:

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"Can't complain about Microsoft forcing me to use a Microsoft Account because they still allow using a local account, so let's see if I can complain about something else. Oh yeah, seems that I need two extra mouse clicks for a local account, that's a good one, I'll start complaining about that".
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Kari
Actually, the procedure for using a local account is not well documented for anyone other than geeks and, even then, there are a lot who still do not know about that. It obvious to you how to do so but what's obvious to one person isn't always obvious to others. And what about the vast majority of people, such the aforementioned Joe Sixpack and Ma and Pa Kettle, who will be completely clueless that they have an option because of the deceitful way M$ has laid out the UI?

I don't have any objections to a user account. I have numerous user accounts with software companies, internet vendors, and websites, all of which only require me to enable only their cookies. My objection is it is impossible for me to get a user account with M$ unless I have all my cookies enabled, not just the ones M$ uses (and I have tried several times). The only reasons I can think of for that is either piddle poor web design by M$ or M$ wants to get paid for planting tracking and advertising cookies on my computer, neither of which I feel is acceptable.

Btw, your last quote is just ridiculous.
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25 Mar 2015   #244
Kari

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by ThrashZone View Post
I believe through the years that I've read sync is what people are most concerned about.
The beauty of Windows used with MS Account is that you as the user decide what if anything is synced. Put anything you want to be synced between your devices in OneDrive subfolders and that's it. Don't put anything there and nothing will be synced.

I have selected all possible sync options so in my case not only OneDrive but also my settings will be synced. When I install Windows on a new computer the desktop theme, colors, background, Taskbar location and so on are synced. When this new computer comes to range of any WiFi network I have ever used on any of my other computers, the WiFi passkey is synced and already there, the new computer connecting automatically. IE on this new computer gets favorites, saved password and browsing history automatically and so on.

However, it is extremely easy to disable all sync settings, or make these computers to sync and that PC not. Everything is up to you, as you wish.

I have really big difficulties to see any reason for concern in this.
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25 Mar 2015   #245
z3r010

 

I love the account syncing, the only issue I've had with it is it syncing my Surface US keyboard settings on to my PC that has a UK keyboard other than that it's great and TBH I wish the syncing would go much further and include stuff like outlook email account settings etc.
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25 Mar 2015   #246
Layback Bear

Windows 7 Pro. 64/SP-1
 
 

Perfect example.
John loves sync and wants more.
I don't love it with all it's new uses.

As long as their is a choice we will both be happy.

Computer gods give John the syncs he want. We need him to be happy.
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25 Mar 2015   #247
Kari

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Layback Bear View Post
Perfect example.
John loves sync and wants more.
I don't love it with all it's new uses.
I still find it difficult to understand what the problem really is. Syncing is something you only do if you want to; if you don't like the idea of having your data and information available whatever device you use, simply do not use it, do not sync.

To allow us who like to idea of synchronizing the data and settings, the option has to be there. The sync features can't be taken away, left out from Windows because some users don't like it.
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25 Mar 2015   #248
lehnerus2000

W7 Ultimate SP1, LM18 MATE, W10IP VM, W10 Home, #All 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Night Hawk View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
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The initial installation does what now? local or Admin account?
No it's actually basically "MS Cloud" or "Other Cloud".
You only get a Local Account option after you choose "Other Cloud".
That's rather funny since the 32bit as I thought went right on it won't connect online! This is what you see when reaching the Create an account for this PC or with 7 along with previous version name for PC.
If your network is not connected (or it is broken) W10 won't offer the MS Account option, it will go straight to the Local Account option.

I have had LAN connection problems with my W10 b9926 VM (it needed a Registry hack to fix the issue) but it has never failed to connect to the Internet.
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25 Mar 2015   #249
Layback Bear

Windows 7 Pro. 64/SP-1
 
 

Kari that is exactly what I said in my post.

Quote:
Perfect example.
John loves sync and wants more.
I don't love it with all it's new uses.

As long as their is a choice we will both be happy.

Computer gods give John the syncs he want. We need him to be happy.
If you like it like John and others by all means use it.
If you don't like just don't use it.
The fact that their is a choice makes many happy.
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25 Mar 2015   #250
lehnerus2000

W7 Ultimate SP1, LM18 MATE, W10IP VM, W10 Home, #All 64 bit
 
 
At no stage, did I suggest that MS should not offer an online account

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Kari View Post
But the option is there, easy to find and use. It is also well documented. Please forgive me to putting it this way but really, if a user do not bother to find out about this option and still is unable to find it, maybe this user really shouldn't use Windows at all due lacking capacity.
That is exactly what MS implied when people complained about the Start Screen.
"You're too stupid to use a computer. STFU and hand over your money."

It was such a brilliant marketing strategy that the W8 series has become a runaway success and is the most popular OS ever made.
Oh wait ... it actually has woeful sales compared to other Windows operating systems including Vista.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Lady Fitzgerald View Post
Actually, the procedure for using a local account is not well documented for anyone other than geeks and, even then, there are a lot who still do not know about that.
Exactly.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Lady Fitzgerald View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Kari View Post
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"Can't complain about Microsoft forcing me to use a Microsoft Account because they still allow using a local account, so let's see if I can complain about something else. Oh yeah, seems that I need two extra mouse clicks for a local account, that's a good one, I'll start complaining about that".
Btw, your last quote is just ridiculous.
Agreed.

Kari whined about people saying that MS is "forcing" them to use an online account.
I explained why they might think that, which provoked another ludicrous bout of ranting and (IMO) "corporate shilling".

At no stage, did I suggest that MS should not offer an online account.
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