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Windows 7: Windows 10 worse than windows 8

25 Mar 2015   #251
Kari

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

 

Reading these ridiculous comments I cannot avoid thinking that it seems as some users see this like "I do not like this, therefore it should not exist. I don't like change and evolution in computing, therefore it should not change and evolve".

Microsoft has never said, hinted or implied that users who did not like the Start Screen are too stupid. Nor have I, all I said that if this widely known and documented "two clicks to local account" approach is not known by the user when he / she starts the installation, it implies that the user is doing the installation without any whatsoever prior information seeking, not finding out the instructions.

I will not apologize my honest opinion: if you cannot set up Windows using a local account, can't find the option and don't bother to find out the instructions, you are better off with another OS. I repeat myself now but really, users against MS Account should instead of complaining really reallize how nice it is, how clearly MS has listened the users and shown this by letting the option to use a local account instead of an MS account be there.

Again, nobody is nor will be forced to use Windows 10 on their private computers, nobody is nor will be forced to use an MS Account with Windows 10. Macs can be bought everywhere, Linux downloaded for free.
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25 Mar 2015   #252
ThrashZone

Win-7-Pro64bit 7-H-Prem-64bit
 
 

Being a preview I would expect the ms verses local account to be given equal space on the install which it is evolving as Kari has posted,
Still not as clear cut as I saw in the last install of win-8 but getting better none the less

I got a popup message in 9926 I believe that asked why I didn't use a ms account
I simply said I did not want to connect my computers login to online services in that way = My world My way.
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25 Mar 2015   #253
Layback Bear

Windows 7 Pro. 64/SP-1
 
 

As long as different methods of accounts are explained properly, choices are displayed properly and you have a choice I see no problem. I don't think that many will have a problem.

What I don't want is having to hunt things down like you would on a download with a bunch of PUP's to check or uncheck.

No hunting and pecking to try and understand what you want or don't want.
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25 Mar 2015   #254
Kari

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

 

To add to my "I don't get this" list: If there's a user who clearly don't like using an MS Account and if this user still wants to test Windows 10, why does this user feel it is impossible to go and search infromation prior to installation? If you are installing Windows 10, go to TenForums.com tutorials and search for Clean Install or Local Account. One search and a few minutes and you have illustrated instructions.

I can understand that not all users can think logically. When logics is not your thing you should already know it and be used to read manuals and get to know the instructions with new stuff. Why is it so impossible with Windows? You don't know something, you don't know how a certain procedure is done, why can't you search for instructions?
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25 Mar 2015   #255
Lady Fitzgerald

Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Kari View Post
To add to my "I don't get this" list: If there's a user who clearly don't like using an MS Account and if this user still wants to test Windows 10, why does this user feel it is impossible to go and search infromation prior to installation? If you are installing Windows 10, go to TenForums.com tutorials and search for Clean Install or Local Account. One search and a few minutes and you have illustrated instructions.

I can understand that not all users can think logically. When logics is not your thing you should already know it and be used to read manuals and get to know the instructions with new stuff. Why is it so impossible with Windows? You don't know something, you don't know how a certain procedure is done, why can't you search for instructions?
Kari, you appear to be too used to knowing when and where to get help when you need it to remember that not everyone is a geek with your level of expertise; for that matter not everyone is a geek, period. Very few people are going to know that there is an alternative when the UI has it so well buried. Most people, when they first fire up their shiny new Win 10 computer, are just going to follow the prompts, same as they have done in the past without any problems and blindly take what M$ throws at them, not having a clue that they have other options. None of them are even going to know there is a Ten Forums they can go to for help and, if a few of them stumble on Ten forums, they won't know what to search for or even how to ask for help. Clean Install and Local Account will be foreign terms to them. If they do find the instructions, they probably won't know how to follow them.

Again, I have no problem with having an account; my problem is bloody M$ won't let me have one unless I enable ALL cookies. I draw the line there.
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25 Mar 2015   #256
Dude

Windows 10 Pro X64
 
 

@Lady F, I'm confused as I can block cookies. Are you sure it is not a requirement for apps, mail etc? I tried googling requirements but got a lot of garble. Can you post a link that shows all cookies must be enable to have a ms account please.
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25 Mar 2015   #257
Night Hawk

W7 Ultimate x64/W10 Pro x64 dual boot main build-remote pc W10 Pro x64 Insider Preview/W7 Pro x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by JDobbsy1987 View Post
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Next will be the VBox install to see if the VM there will be able to connect online since something seems to be blocking the generic network adapter that needs to be worked out and could well be the av/firewall program at work.
I've not had an issue with network/internet access installing Win10 on VBox or Hyper-V

-Jamie
This isn't the first VM to run into this type of problem. Even the two 32 and 64bit XP Modes ran into this once or twice. But these are the first headaches for W10 on VM.

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Next will be the VBox install to see if the VM there will be able to connect online since something seems to be blocking the generic network adapter that needs to be worked out and could well be the av/firewall program at work.
In VMware machine settings you could try setting the Network Adapter to Bridged and see if that makes a difference.

For whatever reason changing this setting from the default NAT to Bridged makes a difference for me ... performance and reliability is much better ...

It's quick and easy change you could test first, before messing with av/firewall settings.
Well the problem is there isn't anything being flagged coming up. This was mentioned only as a possible cause while typically the prompt "do you trust this network?" or something close will appear.

As for checking off the bridged option that was already thought of as well as trying to see if it could detect the host nic card on onboard Lan chip. The previous 8.1 version's VM connected without issue. W10 however is not detecting any connections? Linux Mint being the other VM at the moment connects and has sound while 10 is playing stubborn it seems.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Layback Bear View Post
Kari that is exactly what I said in my post.

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Perfect example.
John loves sync and wants more.
I don't love it with all it's new uses.

As long as their is a choice we will both be happy.

Computer gods give John the syncs he want. We need him to be happy.
If you like it like John and others by all means use it.
If you don't like just don't use it.
The fact that their is a choice makes many happy.
The "One" drive was all too obvious as the Cloud storage medium there. For many however Cloud is still a new term for them not realizing all those folders in email accounts for Drafts, Inbox, Trash, etc. have been Cloud all along. The difference now however is the increased capacity for separate cloud accounts for much larger online storage on provider servers over local storage on network frameworks for businesses and 2-3gb personal accounts since web storage capacities have grown over time to keep up with the growth of networks.

As for personal preferences that has always been an issue of some type for the endless variety of users. You can't simply pacify the masses each and every time with every thing!
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25 Mar 2015   #258
Lady Fitzgerald

Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Dude View Post
@Lady F, I'm confused as I can block cookies. Are you sure it is not a requirement for apps, mail etc? I tried googling requirements but got a lot of garble. Can you post a link that shows all cookies must be enable to have a ms account please.
I just now tried and couldn't get past the first screen; it just sat there and laughed at me.
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25 Mar 2015   #259
Dude

Windows 10 Pro X64
 
 

I just went to create a new account, clicked privacy and cookie setting, it shows this


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25 Mar 2015   #260
whs
Microsoft MVP

Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by ThrashZone View Post
I believe through the years that I've read sync is what people are most concerned about.
Buggerman theories but some valid points about wasting resources or space for something that they would not or did not want to use.
Regardless even you have to give the individual the choice to have or not have an app to do such functions installed
This is exactly the point. I have no problem with the MS account regarding privacy or security. My problem is the sync.

I have 12 different Windows systems where I am the admin although half of those are used by my wife. Some have very special applications like controlling my wife's cutting machine for crafting. And my wife does completely different things than I do. Our travel systems are very small. Mine has a C partition of 20GB - that's all and the wife's is not much bigger. I certainly don't want to have anything synced on those systems.

Now Kari is going to tell me that there are all kinds of settings you can make to avoid that syncing. But I am already sufficiently busy with the basic maintenance of 12 systems. I don't need any extra chores.
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