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Windows 7: Windows 10 worse than windows 8

18 Feb 2015   #71
Arc

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Microsoft Windows 10 Pro Insider Preview 64-bit
 
 

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The other day I set up Chrome on a new PC and the next thing I saw was that my favorites from one Chrome in one of my Linux machines was synced to this new machine without asking me. That's the kind of nuisance I do not want. I am sure there was a setting to avoid that, but I did not investigate - I just wanted Chrome as an additional browser on that new PC.
I had the first build of 10 installed in VM. When I did a clean install of 9926 on the physical machine, it automatically applied the desktop wallpaper, taskbar pinned and start-menu tiles etc as in that VM install. I really liked it!
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18 Feb 2015   #72
andrew129260

Windows 10 Pro
 
 

I just find it funny that people complain over a FREE OS.

Well for the first year anyway....

Even if I do not like it, I did not pay anything for it.

Probably will still move to linux, but I will keep it in a vm.
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18 Feb 2015   #73
whs
Microsoft MVP

Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
 
 

Would you eat food that you hate if they handed it out for free. If yes, in China you can have cat, dog, rat, snake and a few other lekker meals.
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18 Feb 2015   #74
whs
Microsoft MVP

Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
 
 

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The other day I set up Chrome on a new PC and the next thing I saw was that my favorites from one Chrome in one of my Linux machines was synced to this new machine without asking me. That's the kind of nuisance I do not want. I am sure there was a setting to avoid that, but I did not investigate - I just wanted Chrome as an additional browser on that new PC.
I had the first build of 10 installed in VM. When I did a clean install of 9926 on the physical machine, it automatically applied the desktop wallpaper, taskbar pinned and start-menu tiles etc as in that VM install. I really liked it!
Now see, this is something I do not like. Example: For my 11" W8.1 system I set up a high definition Theme because it is a lot easier to read things. Now if I install 8.1 on my PC with the 22" screen, I do not want a high def theme because on the big screen I can read things.

If they want to sync these things, they should at least ask for my permission.
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18 Feb 2015   #75
Lady Fitzgerald

Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit
 
 

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...If they want to sync these things, they should at least ask for my permission.
And there is main point: we are losing choices. Also, the places to make those choices should be easy for anyone to find.
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18 Feb 2015   #76
gregrocker

 

Wolfgang, concerning privacy I would be much more concerned about the Chrome you installed than anything from Windows.

Chrome, like any Google program, is pernicious spyware. You cannot turn it off as long as it's installed. With Google sites like Youtube, you can stay signed out to not be tracked, but Google programs are tracking your every move and pasting into browser ads based on your private searches and even email conversations.

This can be mitigated some using Consumer Opt-out | NAI: Network Advertising Initiative to minimize tracking cookies, but Google doesn't really heed any of these industry initiatives for long. . Their spying is pernicious. Watching your behavior, they are googly eyed.

By comparison, Microsoft curbs Google spying by letting you choose Google as your primary searchbox search, but like Firefox won't let them transmit spying data out of the MS browser. MS has a corporate culture that values consumer privacy as a first principle; Google has a slogan "Do no evil" which is considered an industry joke.

As to the Bing searches being tagged onto Start box/taskbar Searchbox searches in Windows 10, I notice these are being much more tightly contained now and far enough down the list that they're easy to ignore:

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18 Feb 2015   #77
whs
Microsoft MVP

Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
 
 

Greg, the privacy concern is one thing. But what really bothers me that things are done automatically without my consent. Importing bookmarks, repeating my settings from another system or encrypting my whole computer are only a few of those 'automatic' actions that I have been recently suffering from.

I am sure there is a lot more of those automatic actions and I don't like it. That's where I have my gripes with this general direction MS, Google and who else are taking. They think the fact that I am connected to the internet gives them the freedom to interfere on my systems.
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18 Feb 2015   #78
gregrocker

 

If you don't sign in with MS or Google then you don't need to worry about that.

With MS, you can restrict the use of your MS Account to sync your settings across Devices here:

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18 Feb 2015   #79
Kari

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

 

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Kari keeps saying that you can make yourself independent of all of that and operate in you own little patch. For some things that's true, for others it is not plus you need a good amount of skill to disconnect yourself from the designed path.
Yes, I keep saying that because it's true. In this thread I have been asking the opponents of Windows 10 to give at least one example of what kind of cloud interaction there will be if the user signs in with a local account and does not sign in to OneDrive or any other cloud service?

The answer is of course a most absolute none whatsoever! The Windows 10 will with those two simple steps use cloud exactly as much as XP, Vista or Seven.

Wolfgang, you must or at least should know I have great respect for you and I hope you understand that I am not here for picking a fight. I did this same when the discussion about Windows 8 was going on, trying to correct the misinformation. I beg you and any other member to provide one single example of that terrifying cloud usage user has to accept when using a local account. Please! One simple example.

Again, of course as I sit here writing this I know you cannot do that because the cloud in 10 with a local account is non-existent but still, I am waiting.

It is not that Microsoft is forcing you to the cloud. For heavens sake, not at all. It's just that if the user so decides, the cloud is there to be used to its full intent and capabilities, but only then. If the user decides against, it's OK. The user decides.

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Would you eat food that you hate if they handed it out for free. If yes, in China you can have cat, dog, rat, snake and a few other lekker meals.
I should have come to that example and use it in the earlier discussion about Bing Search. It's there but it don't have to be used if the user dislikes it because the free, built-in alternative is just a click away.

BTW, what I have totally forgotten is that Bing can be turned off if it is not wanted. When installation reaches the final steps and arrives to a dialog asking if you want to use the default express settings or customize them, select customize and turn Bing off:
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Example: For my 11" W8.1 system I set up a high definition Theme because it is a lot easier to read things. Now if I install 8.1 on my PC with the 22" screen, I do not want a high def theme because on the big screen I can read things.

If they want to sync these things, they should at least ask for my permission.
Two ways for not to sync your theme and desktop settings. Again, the first one is really simple: use a local account! No cloud, no syncing between the devices, no nothing.

The second option is "quite demanding" . It takes five mouse clicks: Start Menu > Settings > Accounts > Sync Settings > Turn off theme syncing:
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Already now, not full four months into open beta, the Windows 10 is well documented both by Microsoft itself and third party sites like our own TenForums.com in the forefront. I disagree very strongly when it's said that "it is too difficult for a normal user to use a local account and get rid of the cloud", when in fact the documentation is really easy to find. Of course if the user sees it not important to get information about the new OS prior to installing it it's then the user's own fault. That would of course be just plain stupid but it happens, who gets new stuff without knowing how it work and refuses to check the manual?

BTW, the tutorial index of the TenForums is now available as a downloadable, easy to read spreadsheet:



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18 Feb 2015   #80
Lady Fitzgerald

Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by gregrocker View Post
Wolfgang, concerning privacy I would be much more concerned about the Chrome you installed than anything from Windows.

Chrome, like any Google program, is pernicious spyware. You cannot turn it off as long as it's installed. With Google sites like Youtube, you can stay signed out to not be tracked, but Google programs are tracking your every move and pasting into browser ads based on your private searches and even email conversations...
I have to agree with Greg here. I've also seen malware come in when installing Chrome.
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