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Windows 7: not trusting 7

12 Jun 2015   #11
cluberti

Windows 10 Pro x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by nt62 View Post
Windows 7 was not designed for a 4 or 6 TB HDD or PCIE SSD or mSATA.
Actually, Windows since 2003 SP1 has been ready for drives up to 16EB, with NTFS volumes maxing out at 256TB at 64K cluster size (support for drives larger than 2TB came in with NTFS for Windows 2000, as it were, as cluster sizes larger than 4k were supported). NTFS has a limitation based on cluster size, so at 4K cluster sizes the limitation before Windows 2000 was 2TB. MBR also has limitations based on 32bit math and hex - if anyone is curious, those are covered here:
Understanding the 2 TB Limit in Windows Storage - Ask the Core Team - Site Home - TechNet Blogs

Saying Windows 7 not being designed for larger disks is just not accurate. Since Windows 2000 you could have drives up to 256TB if the hardware would support it, and 2003 SP1 increased that via GPT disks to allow volumes/disks up to 16EB in size, again, assuming hardware support and a drive that large.

Lastly, killing that many drives does sound more like a multi-boot issue, or a power cleanliness issue along the rails, rather than being an OS problem. Anything's possible, but that many bad drives does remove a lot of the probables. Anyway, good luck, I've rambled enough.
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12 Jun 2015   #12
nt62

 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by cluberti View Post
Actually, Windows since 2003 SP1 has been ready for drives up to 16EB, with NTFS volumes maxing out at 256TB at 64K cluster size (support for drives larger than 2TB came in with NTFS for Windows 2000, as it were, as cluster sizes larger than 4k were supported).
Well, you got me. I haven't read your link but really, drive architectural history is not relevant.
Retail end user motherboards could not support such dramatic configurations.
256TB? 16EB? Anybody got a million dollars? That's the realm of a server farm.
RAID blade systems are not relevant.

If Windows 2003 was ready for drives that did not exist,
what are we talking about here?

Quote:
...does sound more like a multi-boot issue...
... rather than being an OS problem
I don't multi-boot.
Again, 8.x and server have worked perfectly.
Only 7 failed.


Please see post number 1 sentence number 1.
thanks
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12 Jun 2015   #13
cluberti

Windows 10 Pro x64
 
 

You claim drive failures and a distrust of Windows 7 because of it, and then postulate that it could be because Windows 7 wasn't ready for such large drives. I simply provided data that Windows 7 was indeed ready for those drives, even if manufacturers of consumer-grade electronics were not. Your failures are indicative of other problems, I was simply pointing it out.
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12 Jun 2015   #14
nt62

 
 

I refer anyone to post number 1 sentence number 1.

I don't trust 7 anymore ok. Please feel free to stay with 7.
The issues mentioned in post 1 are only the result of booting into Windows 7.

Thanks Again. Very impressive credentials experience list Cluberti in your sig text.
I had an MCP and MCSE back in 1998.
I quit due to cost and time. This was before cell phones when we had to use pay phones.
(please, no history of cell phones)

We had to go out and buy books.

Thanks for responding everyone
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12 Jun 2015   #15
Layback Bear

Windows 7 Pro. 64/SP-1
 
 

If I was loosing that many hard drives I would start with this.
From your specs.
Quote:
PSU Pico PSU - Rosewill Silent Fanless 500 watt
Lack of proper voltage and amp control could cause such a problem but their again you would think other things would be affected. I'm presuming that your temps are as they should be.

Their has got to be a reason the drives are going bad and I don't believe it a operating system.

Are these drives that are going bad in docking stations?
Some people have problems with docking stations that have Advanced Formatting.

I really don't care what operating system you use. Use what works for you.

I'm just curious what is causing the problem.
I noticed in your specs you have fan less power supply and Passive cooling. That would be another thing I would suggest investigating.

If I had your problem I would check the basic first.
Proper power and proper cooling and that would include checking all external drives. Some external enclosures don't do neither well.

I'm on this forum 360 days a year reading many threads for hours per day. I take time out for a trip to the hospital now and then. I would think with all that time and reading I would of seen problems like you describe.

The members in this thread are just trying to share information and if we can, help you with your problem. Yes, many of our members have a wall full of sheep skins in computing and their are members like me with none. One thing we have in common is we want to help others.
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12 Jun 2015   #16
nt62

 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Layback Bear View Post
... I don't believe it's the operating system...
Please see post number 1 sentence number 1

Forgive me, I edited the quote to "it's the" etc...
Thanks LB. The thread has been marked as solved.

Should I repeat? The only fail was with 7.
8.0 - 8.1 - 8.1.1 - server 2012 - server 2012 R2 -
server 2016 preview - server 2016 technical preview 2 -
and 10.preview build ad nauseum have all worked perfectly (no fails).

The only fail was booting into 7.

I am keenly aware of my stark departure from typical hardware configurations.
All devices are operating within normal parameters.
There is lots of animosity about silent systems where gamers and power users roam.

The problem is solved. End of story. All devices have been repaired and are working.
I am currently running 8.1.1 with video running as background on the start screen.
Very pleased with how this system works.
... really like tiles, especially with a pleasant ocean scene of rolling waves in the background.

Just set up an extended volume of 3 mSATA drives on a PCIe card.
Now there is an SSD showing with 1.2TB of available space.

I need to move on to other matters.
Thanks Again Very Much.
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