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Windows 7: not trusting 7

11 Jun 2015   #1
nt62

 
 
not trusting 7

Was going to post in General Discussion but NOT looking for support.
Posting in Chillout Room - Off Topic Chat and Fun ? well I don't know ...
Suppose it's just a statement.

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I like Windows 7.
The UI is beautiful.

Even though I have drivers for current hardware, some issues have developed.
7 ruined a 4 terabyte drive when a disk check occurred during boot.
7 ruined 2 SSDs and I had to use Linux GPart to fix the partition tables.
7 ruined an mSATA 3 drive that also had to have the partition table fixed.
7 crashed and became unbootable. This happened on 2 separate clean installations.
8 or 10 have never had an issue with data loss.
Others have had problems with 8 or 10, fortunately, not my experience yet.
Using any OS is risky.

I like to do clean installs, but the OOBE leaves almost nothing working. (in 7)
No USB3, No network, No video driver (except basic MS), No sound.
On a clean install, the OS requires as many as about 200 updates to be current.

That can be managed, but is it safe to trust Windows 7 to a 6 terabyte drive?
Or PCI SSD mSATA 3 hardware? Sure the drivers work, but data loss has occurred.
I don't feel comfortable using 7 with a 6 terabyte USB3 drive.
... or hardware not designed for Windows 7.

The evidence is in. Windows 8.x and 10 are safer to use.
Going to have to stop using 7.

Not a fan of the Windows 10 hybrid menu but this works.


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11 Jun 2015   #2
Layback Bear

Windows 7 Pro. 64/SP-1
 
 

I have never heard of Windows 7 causing all those problems. I would suggest that something else is causing this problem. I have no idea about a 6 tig drive.

Are you using Raid?
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11 Jun 2015   #3
nt62

 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Layback Bear View Post
I have never heard of Windows 7 causing all those problems. I would suggest that something else is causing this problem. I have no idea about a 6 TB drive.

Are you using Raid?
Thanks LB. No RAID. The thing is, how many are even aware that a 4 or 6 terabyte SATA3 drive exists?
Windows 7 was not designed for a 4 or 6 TB HDD or PCIE SSD or mSATA.
How many know about PCIE drives?
That is one reason ("never heard of") ... very few people have this hardware.

I can see 7 causing no problems with USB2 or drives 2 TB SATA2 or less.
In any event, I am not going to try and wrestle with 7. The OOBE is a PIA.

Please see post number 1 sentence number 1.
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11 Jun 2015   #4
Lady Fitzgerald

Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit
 
 

I've been running a 4TB drive 24/7 in my computer for around seven or eight months now without any problems. I also have five 4TB drives that I use in an internal dock in my computer for keeping backups on. All of them run just fine.

All of my internal drives—three HDDs and one SSD—are running on SATA III ports in Win 7 without any trouble. All except one are rated for SATA III; one is an older SATA II drive and is doing just fine.

I'm pretty sure most of know that 4-6TB drives exist (they have been around for quite some time). HGST and Seagate have been selling 8TB drives for a little while now.

Many, if not most, of us know about PSIe and mSATA SSDs. Over on the www.Overclock.net forums, quite a few people are using them with Win 7 with no trouble at all. Even SSDs that will use NVMe instead of AHCI will run just fine on Win 7 as long as the MOBO will support NVMe.

I've run external HDDs, some as large as 4TB, and SSDs in docks or enclosures on USB 3.O and eSATA without any problems on all my Win 7 machines.

As Jack said, something else has to be causing your problems.
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12 Jun 2015   #5
nt62

 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Lady Fitzgerald View Post
I've been running a 4TB drive 24/7 in my computer for around seven or eight months now without any problems. I also have five 4TB drives that I use in an internal dock in my computer for keeping backups on. All of them run just fine.
Geez. Didn't want to rustle any feathers! Running 24/7 is different from turning a motherboard off and changing OSystems several times a day. Constantly running, I have had the same success.

... didn't really want to get into details but I agree that 7 handles all of that just fine when the system is stable. I flip Operating Systems changing SSDs almost daily and requires shutting down many times a day.
I never said 7 with proper drivers in a stable mode is a problem.

The point of "something else", well, I have been running 8.x and server 2012 for 3 years and never had a fail.
The only fail occurred using 7.

I have resolved this issue by not using 7.
My preference is to do a regular clean installation of an OS.
Most like to get a system running and keep using the same setup for years.
I agree it may be common knowledge for forumeers and techs to be aware,
... the average big box store browser might not be up to speed on new tech.
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12 Jun 2015   #6
Lady Fitzgerald

Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit
 
 

Well, you never mentioned that you were switching OSes several times daily. I read somewhere that people were having problems with Win 7 when dual booting with Win 10. Seems to me that would make Win 10 the culprit, not Win 7.
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12 Jun 2015   #7
nt62

 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Lady Fitzgerald View Post
Well, you never mentioned that you were switching OSes several times daily. I read somewhere that people were having problems with Win 7 when dual booting with Win 10. Seems to me that would make Win 10 the culprit, not Win 7.
I don't dual boot. Geez, details, details... My OSs are on separate SSDs.
My board is connected to 1 SSD only.
When finished with the OS, the PC is shut off, and the SSD is changed.

Must repeat, no issues happened with 8.x or server, a fail only happened booting into 7.
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12 Jun 2015   #8
nt62

 
 

Thanks LF and LB.

I can deal with these issues ok, and easy. I like to fix things. But my 4TB was a total loss. Not repairable.
And, the OOBE is unacceptable as of 2015. To start from scratch requires allocating about 2 hours.
Clean installing 8.x, server 2012, or 10 takes about 10 minutes and they require no updates to be fully functional.

Please see post number 1 sentence number 1.
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12 Jun 2015   #9
Lady Fitzgerald

Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by nt62 View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Lady Fitzgerald View Post
Well, you never mentioned that you were switching OSes several times daily. I read somewhere that people were having problems with Win 7 when dual booting with Win 10. Seems to me that would make Win 10 the culprit, not Win 7.
I don't dual boot. Geez, details, details... My OSs are on separate SSDs.
My board is connected to 1 SSD only.
When finished with the OS, the PC is shut off, and the SSD is changed.

Must repeat, no issues happened with 8.x or server, a fail only happened booting into 7.
Go to the Win 10 forums and ask about it; that was where I read it. It had something to do with some data being changed when using Win 10 that caused the problems when going back to Win 7.

Does the problem occur when you switch between only between Win 8.x or Server and Win 7 or only when you add Win 10 to the mix?
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12 Jun 2015   #10
nt62

 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Lady Fitzgerald View Post
It had something to do with some data being changed when using Win 10 that caused the problems when going back to Win 7.
That might be it. So if it is, there is no solution. Either use 7 only and never expose your data to 10 or stop using 7. I don't know. I did notice 10 could handle permissions better.
After using 10 and going back to 8.x or 7, some file permissions had changed.

Today I clean installed 8.1.1 enterprise on 1 SSD and 10 build 130 on another SSD.
Tomorrow I may clean install 8.0 pro,
and in the afternoon do an install of Server 2016 Technical Preview 2 evaluation.

I like Windows 7 ... not a fan of diskcheck or feeding 7 with drivers to make it work.
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