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Windows 7: Should I Get Windows 10?

28 Aug 2015   #31
Night Hawk

W7 Ultimate x64/W10 Pro x64 dual boot main build-remote pc W10 Pro x64 Insider Preview/W7 Pro x64
 
 

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The biggest error is not reading the privacy and terms of use
Yes, a respected, mainly internet, forum over this side has severe concerns about how much control of personal data and activity is capable of being handed over to M'soft under the terms.

The other thing not liked is lack of control over Windows Update
The option to "Defer updates" is right there in plain sight to prevent updates from simply going on automatically or schedule system restart notifications. You simply have to look a little more closely at how the new settings are presented.

The main reason for all this of course is being that 10 is dual platform not just pc only but touchscreen tablet as well when set for tablet mode. Of course you can always go with 8 which saw many familiar things simply stripped out of Windows! That was an eye sore for many!

Here I plan to keep going as long as possible as well as examining the newer versions to come as well as 10 which has been doing good once past the initial upgrade issues.
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09 Sep 2015   #32
onewayback

Windows 7 Pro 32 & 64Bit
 
 

No don't!

I don't recommend anyone update, upgrade to windows spy 10. It is the worst and most intrusive windows ever. Windows 8 was bad but 10 is the worst.

Just look at all the data Microsoft collects and uses. The NSA will love windows 10 as they can see all that data. I would advise not to store anything on the cloud as your files can been seen, viewed by Microsoft and the NSA I'm afraid.

Any good business will store it's customer details on it's own storage systems and not on the cloud. Well I hope so. Save your files to a USB hard drive and will be much safer than cloud services on 10.

I am staying with XP, Vista and windows 7 but windows 7 will be my last MS OS. I am moving to lunix after that.
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10 Sep 2015   #33
Night Hawk

W7 Ultimate x64/W10 Pro x64 dual boot main build-remote pc W10 Pro x64 Insider Preview/W7 Pro x64
 
 

That I am afraid is "Utter Paranoia" and far from fact! 10 isn't spyware but fortunately as it turned an actual progression in the line from 7 far more then seen with 8! and still an improvement over 8.1. And what the heck is "luna ix"? Hate to say what that sounds like! ( i no know may luna tics?)

Presently with 10 in a dual boot with 7 the results are actually favorable compared to the "Disk Error" mess seen when trying it with the 8 Customer Preview back in '12! If you added the boot enter into 7's BCD or a PC Refresh added 7 in and you ran with both both crashed! The Disk Check would have to be scheduled manually to get 7 running again as well as for the 8 CP at the time and see both version isolated from each other!

With 10 NADA! Smooth going once you get past the upgrade issues that can come up on you forcing a fresh clean install once 10 is activated which is automatic without any product key when used as a free upgrade. MS has also done away with optical media and moved onto usb media instead with write protected full version usb sticks for sale.

This is why the Media Creation Tool you can use to download 10 with is good for having the option to either write the usb install key or burn the 10 iso to a blank dvd-r. Just finished upgrading a 2012 7 Home Premium 32bit laptop to the 64bit 10 Home edition first by upgrade followed by a 32bit 10 clean install later replaced with the 64bit once seeing that 10 would activate properly on it.

10 won't install as fast as 7 however but more like the speed you saw with Vista or 8 installs due to it being a larger dual platform OS offering the Tablet mode as well as default desktop mode. And the new Start menu now back allows you to pin whatever you want there as well as on the taskbar! Despite having a tile section that can reshaped and resized to an extent to make it actually quite well orgainzed.

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10 Sep 2015   #34
NoelDP

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Win 7 x64 Home Premium (and x86 VirtualBox VM)/Win10
 
 

I seem to remember that both Vista and Windows 7 went through the same phase of being touted as 'Spyware OS' back when they were launched.
The unfamiliar scares people - which is understandable - but while caution is a good thing, paranoia isn't.

Does anyone really think that either MS or the NSA has the time (or resources) to trawl through everyone's real returns - let alone the amount of data that some people imagine is being sent?
MS has auto-scanned the data sent back through the Customer Experience Program since Vista was launched, with the result that problems with updates have been isolated and pulled much quicker than used to be the case, and (believe or not) the qualiy of updates has almost certainly improved. The perception of 'worse' updates is possibly the result of both increasing paranoia, and the reduced level of competence of the average user.
Gone are the days where 90% of users had a hankering to program or control their machines. Nowadays, 90% of users 'just want it to work' without the hassle of checking for updates or fixing problems themselves. MS has to operate in an environment where the re are an almost infinite number of software and hardware variables, many of which were designed by incompetent programmers/designers/manufacturers.
Apple OS's simply won't work on hardware that hasn't been signed off by Apple - and it's this sign-off that makes a lot of money for Apple.
Android OS's are almost the same.
The MS Hardware Certification scheme is a step towards the Google way of doing things, but MS has to tread warily simply because of the huge hardware base already in existence. Both Apple and Google started from what was a minimal hardware base, and have controlled that base from day one. MS took the other extreme and tried (and mostly succeeded) to support almost any hardware in existence, and is still trying to do so. To be able to do that without spending really huge sums, it needs data - and lots of it - to identify problems and allow their programmers to produce solutions. Such solutions aren't always right the first time around, but a process of iteration gets them there in the end.
The old idea of the Beta-test has necessarily gone out of the window (pun intended) since the hardware and software base is now so huge that rather than the few thousand Beta-testers that used to be required to fine-tune updates/upgrades, it would and does require millions of them. That was the reason for moving from OS Beta programs to the Preview program - and for curtailing the free issue of licenses to OS Beta-testers.
Yes the end-user is now being used to beta-test products - but the 'beta product' is of a much higher quality than it used to be. User expectations however frequently diverge from the MS longer-term targets, and occasionally MS has to backtrack somewhat in the next iteration (Start menu, anyone?).
The world is changing quicker now that at any time since 1981 - and MS has to change even quicker, since it got stuck in the quagmire that was XP RTM and had to pretty much re-write the OS from the ground up for SP2. That lost them more than 2 years in development time as work on almost everything else stopped - including Vista. I was present at a demo of Vista back in March 2003 in Seattle - and some of the stuff they demo'd there only got into the OS eventually with the release of Win7 6.5 years later.
Since 2004 MS has been playing catch-up with itself, as well as the rest of the world.

I think they may have finally managed it with Win 10
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10 Sep 2015   #35
Night Hawk

W7 Ultimate x64/W10 Pro x64 dual boot main build-remote pc W10 Pro x64 Insider Preview/W7 Pro x64
 
 

Well as I mentioned before I don't have any immediate plans on dumping 7 after running it for the last 6yrs. starting off with the beta builds to the present dual boot not only one system but two with 10! If 7 was to go tomorrow I would end up with a pair of 10 machines until a dual boot with 10.1? 11? 12? comes about.

You have about 4+yrs. left before 7 gets the axe in 2020 as XP did a year ago and Vista will be seeing soon enough next year! What was first seen with 7 bringing in the WinMin kernel after Vista got the "Bloated OS" rep has seen quite a bit of progress in 10 since the same processes now use less memory and why the minimum for system specifications hasn't changed any since 7! At least that is another progressive trend. Too bad it takes three versions newer to be realized!
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10 Sep 2015   #36
Joan Archer

Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 32 bit/Windows 10 64bit
 
 

Noel which OS was it that they were supposed to be introducing a completely new file system but then didn't because of time and having to get the OS out ?
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10 Sep 2015   #37
Night Hawk

W7 Ultimate x64/W10 Pro x64 dual boot main build-remote pc W10 Pro x64 Insider Preview/W7 Pro x64
 
 

What comes after 64bit would be 128bit and at this point only be experimental since the software market is loaded primarily with 32bit apps having the occasional 64bit alternative. That would be a totally different architecture seen there.

The other alternate for a new file system could well be for server application. The thing MS has been working on mainly has been for the dual platform OS between Desktop and Mobile. This is where 8 got off to a bad start by how that was handled seeing things stripped and now with 10 seeing some things being brought back like Vista saw Fat16, Fat32 support gone while 7 had to see that brought back for all the newer usb devices with onboard memory using Fat.
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10 Sep 2015   #38
NoelDP

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Win 7 x64 Home Premium (and x86 VirtualBox VM)/Win10
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Joan Archer View Post
Noel which OS was it that they were supposed to be introducing a completely new file system but then didn't because of time and having to get the OS out ?
Vista
They got partway there but decided other things were more important.
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10 Sep 2015   #39
onewayback

Windows 7 Pro 32 & 64Bit
 
 

Night hawk it's not Paranoia it's all about on the internet. Microsoft windows 10 is very intrusive. Windows 10 incorporates finger prints and wants people to use 3d face scans, to log in with. Who do you think needs and wants all that data? Microsoft and the NSA.

The NSA don't have better things to do as that is what they do, collect data and spy on people. Have you heard of Edward snowden? He helped expose them. Just a shame that many people can't see what is going on and the NSA do spy on you.

Wonder why Microsoft are given windows 10 away for free? Well so they can get as many gullible customers to use there spy OS and hand over all that data to Microsoft and the NSA. No such thing as a free lunch.

I still will never install windows 10 NSA addition, ever and no one will convince me to do so.

Links about windows spy 10 .


Incredibly intrusive’: Windows 10 spies on you by default
https://www.rt.com/usa/311304-new-wi...rivacy-issues/

Windows 10 Spies On You By Default: Here's How To Opt Out
Windows 10 Spies On You By Default: Here's How To Opt Out : PERSONAL TECH : Tech Times

Much more about on the web.

Anyway I hope you enjoy your new 10 spy OS Night hawk. Don't say you weren't warned about it.
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11 Sep 2015   #40
Night Hawk

W7 Ultimate x64/W10 Pro x64 dual boot main build-remote pc W10 Pro x64 Insider Preview/W7 Pro x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by onewayback View Post
Night hawk it's not Paranoia it's all about on the internet. Microsoft windows 10 is very intrusive. Windows 10 incorporates finger prints and wants people to use 3d face scans, to log in with. Who do you think needs and wants all that data? Microsoft and the NSA.

The NSA don't have better things to do as that is what they do, collect data and spy on people. Have you heard of Edward snowden? He helped expose them. Just a shame that many people can't see what is going on and the NSA do spy on you.

Wonder why Microsoft are given windows 10 away for free? Well so they can get as many gullible customers to use there spy OS and hand over all that data to Microsoft and the NSA. No such thing as a free lunch.

I still will never install windows 10 NSA addition, ever and no one will convince me to do so.

Links about windows spy 10 .


Incredibly intrusive’: Windows 10 spies on you by default
https://www.rt.com/usa/311304-new-wi...rivacy-issues/

Windows 10 Spies On You By Default: Here's How To Opt Out
Windows 10 Spies On You By Default: Here's How To Opt Out : PERSONAL TECH : Tech Times

Much more about on the web.

Anyway I hope you enjoy your new 10 spy OS Night hawk. Don't say you weren't warned about it.
Who signs into their user account with facial recognition and finger print scans? Not the home users!

Security at large corporations with their own sensitive areas to prevent corporate spying as well as government agencies and official sources would see those technologies at work on a regular basis for their security reasons by screening people for identity verification purposes is the norm!

As far as those blogs I've seen plenty of bogies for other technologies as well as for the pc platform simply created to get the sensation not the actual facts out. Another such blog talked about MS stealing your bandwidth to share updates all over?

Somebody didn't like the fact that MS has changed how they will be delivering each newer version no longer to be seen on optical media but by way of Windows updates was an excuse to get the Paranoid fear mongering going!

Is MS going to be concerned that I just ordered a new 2tb drive from Newegg? I don't think so! Are they trying to get the ball rolling for the latest since they flopped it with 8 when stripping things out by offering a free "Upgrade not Clean install with product key included" deal? Let's see ME was a flop and Vista got a bad rep and many certainly did not like the looks of 8!

So what is MS to do since they rightly fear people who had been glued to XP will now be glued to 7 won't upgrade? Offer a special limited time offer! That was a marketing decision not a spy movie being sold.
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