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Windows 7: Linux is trying to kill me. Really.

13 Mar 2010   #1

Windows 8 Pro 64-bit
 
 
Linux is trying to kill me. Really.

For the past half a year, I've been infrequently been trying to install multiple "flavors" of Linux.

First try was on my XP system. Tried installing Ubuntu, had an ISO straight from the site and settings were perfect for my system. Burned it to a CD at optimal settings, slowest speed possible. Booted from the CD, tried it out with the Live CD or whatever it's called, and loved it. I wanted it on my hard drive, right then and there, until I tried some of the included programs and found they were all missing... Got rid of the disc, didn't try again.

Second Try, about a month later, I got Fedora. Burned to disc and used a USB creator (so if the CD was messing it up, I had a USB to try as well). Tried installing, Partition Manager decided to go commando on my XP partition. Wiped the hard drive, put XP back on, then upgraded to 7 shortly after. It took me approx. 5 days to get everything back in working order, and it didn't help that I was missing drivers that I couldn't find online. Had to do a hunt all over the place to get them back. So by this time, my not-so computer inclined self was very tired of Ubuntu.

Third Try, about 5 hours ago, I heard about Wubi. Tried it, seemed awesome. Installed the Ubuntu Netbook Remix. Installed perfectly, no troubles at all. Partition Manager actually worked on this one! Woo! Then it rebooted. For 10 minutes, the boot screen did nothing but show error messages that I could not understand at all. Finally, it pulled up the login screen, I logged in, and started doing the basic setup. Change the clock, set up weather, get my apps running, etc, etc. It told me that my hard drive is failing (odd, as my hard drive was running Ubuntu and is now running 7). I tried getting some help, it told me that the help files are unavailable. It didn't let me do anything else. So I tried rebooting, and it loaded to the boot screen, did the same 10 minute routine, showed the login screen, and then promptly went away before I could do anything, and gave me a recovery console.

Tried installing the Desktop version, same thing.

Linux hates me. At least it didn't delete Windows this time. I know some of this is probably user error, but still. Come on. An automated installer should do the trick.
(is about to try again)
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13 Mar 2010   #2

Windows 7 x64 Ultimate
 
 

The very BEST thing that I can suggest for playing around with Linux n general or trying out various distros and various install configurations is to get "Virtual Box". It's free and it's INSANELY fast to setup Distro X, Y or Z. Play with it and if you don't like it blow it away and it makes ZERO changes to your main system's partitioning.


Installing is generally a lot easier because the harddware set is fixed. I get sound and video right out of the install with no futzing around far more often under virtual box than doing a native install.

You can also with a little extra work install tools to allow you to drag and drop files between windows and Linux and of course have your windows and linux programs both running at the same time. It's truly amazing

There are a few limitations for power rusing linux but for the most part you can do what you want to.

[Edit] Noticed the developer tag, I do ALL my deelopment on Linux using virtual machines, using WIndows as the host os. Being able to backup and checkpoint build machine configs and have 6 distros installed and startable at a moments notice is a godsend [/edit]
My System SpecsSystem Spec
13 Mar 2010   #3
whs
Microsoft MVP

Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
 
 

+1 for the vitual Box approach. I had no problem using it in vBox. Only drawback is a relatively small screen window (about 14" on a 22" screen).
Another option is this. I use that too. It's nice for playing around, but not for serious work.
My System SpecsSystem Spec
13 Mar 2010   #4

Windows 7 x64 Ultimate
 
 

If you install the additional tools you can resize the screen to anything you want (including full screen) and the linux desktop will resize to match

[Edit] Ugh actually I just rememebered that the very latest kernel update 2.6.31 actually breaks a lot of virtual machines dunno if VB is afected but I think it might be. If you install latest ubuntu or FC12, don;t update the kernel :/ [/edit]

Nothing great goes unpunished
My System SpecsSystem Spec
13 Mar 2010   #5
whs
Microsoft MVP

Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by fseal View Post
If you install the additional tools you can resize the screen to anything you want (including full screen) and the linux desktop will resize to match
That's good to know. I am not sure whether those tools were around 1 year ago when I used it. But next time, I will give it a try. Thanks for the tip.
My System SpecsSystem Spec
13 Mar 2010   #6

Windows 7 x64 Ultimate
 
 

Actually the tools for virtual box have been getting better somewhat recently, stability is better than it was too. VMWare is more mature but virtual Box is really free for personal use and at home I prefer it. At work I use VMWare because that's what they have.
My System SpecsSystem Spec
13 Mar 2010   #7

Windows 8 Pro 64-bit
 
 

I tried VirtualBox a while ago, limited to maybe a half or a quarter of my system resources, which are extremely low for my case.
My System SpecsSystem Spec
13 Mar 2010   #8

Windows 7 x64 Ultimate
 
 

Ah, that's too bad, Yeah you can sort of get away with maybe 52 meg but really 1-1.5 gig is requred for smooth operation, atleast for development. And of course you need that left over for windows too...
My System SpecsSystem Spec
13 Mar 2010   #9

 
 

Another downside to VM distros is that you miss out on the 'eye candy' . While some of can be pointless, others like the spinning cube for example can be quite useful.

Welcome to the world of Linux - where nothing is ever really 'simple'

(Long term Windows usage = complacency and Linux frustration )
My System SpecsSystem Spec
13 Mar 2010   #10

Windows 7 Ultimate, OS X 10.7, Ubuntu 11.04
 
 

I personally just woke up and am going back to sleep but I feel like I should post first.

Linux can be unstable and unpredictable. I suggest you wait until the 18th and try the Ubuntu 10.04 Beta 1 (which will have a WUBI version) and see if thats any different. Things that failed to work for me properly in 9.10 worked fine in the 10.04 Alpha 3.

I was the same way at first to. Toyed around with Linux here and there, Zidane got me into it and taught me things about it.

Anyways, just wait and try Beta 1. Then get back to me.
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