| Windows 7: If you could get a mac... |
03 May 2010
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#1 | | Windows 7 Home Premium x64, Mac OS X 10.6.2 x64 Boston, MA |
If you could get a mac... If you had the choice between a 17" Macbook Pro, or a similar laptop with around the same specs or better, which one would you take.
Me personally, I would take the PC, because they have cheaper (pricewise) support, and can easily be upgraded. Plus Windows 7 is better than SL. | My System Specs |
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03 May 2010
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#2 | | |
I'll do the same as well. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Custom Built/ Built by me, CR-48 OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 CPU INTEL CORE I5 750 180x20 all powersaving 1.168v Motherboard MSI P55-GD55 Memory OCZ 4GB DDR3 PC3-10666 (7-7-7-20-2t) @1.651v Graphics Card ASUS 9800GT GLACIATOR FANSINK Sound Card ONBOARD REALTEK ALC889 Monitor(s) Displays VIEWSONIC VX924, VIZIO VS420LF1A Screen Resolution VX924: 1280x1024 75hz, VS420LF1A: 1920x1080 60hz(1080p) Keyboard Logitech K520 Mouse LOGITECH M310 PSU OCZ MODXSTREAM PRO 700 WATT SEMI-MODULAR Case ANTEC 900 Cooling CoolerMaster Hyper 212+ Hard Drives HITACHI Deskstar HD31000 IDK/7K 1TB 7200RPM 32MB CACHE SATA II Internet Speed CHARTER PIPELINE 15MB DOWN/ 3MB UP Other Info ROUTER: DLINK DIR-655, Netgear WNR3500L (SamKnows)
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03 May 2010
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#3 | | |
MacBook Pro, Battery life IMHO is the most important issue in mobile devices - and the new MBPs have excellent battery life. As for the "easy to upgrade" argument... Laptops aren't upgradeable, so this argument is flawed. As for Desktop/Tower PCs, the "easy to upgrade" argument is also flawed... An upgrade that consist of upgrading the processor to a new motherboard - is considered as buying a new computer... (-_-)a. Upgrading a gfx card, Tower macs can do that too, and also true for upgrading memory or adding a storage controller... PCs aren't "easier to upgrade", you just got used to the fact that you can build PCs from ground up, but not Macs.
Just my 2cents,
zzz2496 | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Self Built OS Windows7 Ultimate 64bit CPU Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Motherboard Abit IN9-32X-MMAX Memory DDR2 Adata 4GB Graphics Card Nvidia GeForce GTX 285 1024 and Nvidia GeForce 8800GT 512 Sound Card Asus Xonar HDAV 1.3 Monitor(s) Displays Dell 2407WFP and BenQ 2400v and Philips 150v3 Screen Resolution 3840x1200 and 1024x768 Keyboard MicrosoftNaturalKeyboard 4000/Apple Alu keyboard/Dinovo mini Mouse Logitech G5/MarbleMouseTrackball/PerformanceMX/SpacePilotPRO PSU Corsair TX 850W Case Cooler Master HAF932 Cooling Arctic Cooling Freezer Extreme and plenty of fans... Hard Drives 2 WDC 1TB
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Apple wireless Aluminium keyboard
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03 May 2010
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#4 | | Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 |

Quote: Originally Posted by zzz2496 MacBook Pro, Battery life IMHO is the most important issue in mobile devices - and the new MBPs have excellent battery life. As for the "easy to upgrade" argument... Laptops aren't upgradeable, so this argument is flawed. As for Desktop/Tower PCs, the "easy to upgrade" argument is also flawed... An upgrade that consist of upgrading the processor to a new motherboard - is considered as buying a new computer... (-_-)a. Upgrading a gfx card, Tower macs can do that too, and also true for upgrading memory or adding a storage controller... PCs aren't "easier to upgrade", you just got used to the fact that you can build PCs from ground up, but not Macs.
Just my 2cents,
zzz2496 I believe they are referring to opportunity cost factors, and actual costs themselves. I also believe that the argument on "upgradability" is not limited to "specifications".
Last edited by arkhi; 04 May 2010 at 01:01 AM..
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| My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Asus G73SW-XN2 OS Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 CPU Intel Core i7-2630QM@2GHz(2.9GHz Turbo Boost) [Sandy Bridge] Motherboard Asus G73SW (Intel HM65 Chipset) Memory Kingston DDR3 1333 16GB (4GBx4) Graphics Card nVidia GTX 460m 1.5GB Sound Card EAX Advanced HD 5.0, THX TruStudio Monitor(s) Displays 17.3 in. primary & 23 in. secondary Screen Resolution 1920x1080 Keyboard Built-in 102-Key Backlit Keyboard Hard Drives Seagate Momentus XT (SATA II) 500 GB @ 7200 RPM
Hitachi (SATA II) 500GB @ 7200 RPM
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03 May 2010
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#5 | | Windows 7 Ultimate, OS X 10.7, Ubuntu 11.04 Pembroke |

Quote: Originally Posted by cclloyd9785 If you had the choice between a 17" Macbook Pro, or a similar laptop with around the same specs or better, which one would you take.
Me personally, I would take the PC, because they have cheaper (pricewise) support, and can easily be upgraded. Plus Windows 7 is better than SL. I'd get the MacBook Pro. Apple makes great products, its just their own 'closed-off little world' that I dislike.
Windows 7 is NOT better than Snow Leopard, nor vice versa. Every Operating System has its ups and downs. None is better than the other. Besides, Macs support Windows (via bootcamp) so you can have both. So why not? | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Custom | Whitebox OS Windows 7 Ultimate, OS X 10.7, Ubuntu 11.04 CPU Intel E6750 @ 3.80GHz Motherboard Gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3L (Revision 1.1) Memory 2x2GB & 2x1GB (6GB) OCZ Reaper 1066MHz @ 1080MHz Graphics Card EVGA nVidia GTX 260 896mb (216 Core) FTW Edition Sound Card Realtek ALC888 Monitor(s) Displays 21" VIZIO TV Screen Resolution 1680x1050 @ 60Hz Keyboard Logitech Wireless S520 Mouse Logitech Wireless S520 - Microsoft Wireless Arc Mouse PSU Corsair 750W Case NZXT Nemesis Elite Cooling Thermaltake SpinQ Hard Drives Western Digital WD6401AALS - 640GB
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03 May 2010
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#6 | | |

Quote: Originally Posted by arkhi 
Quote: Originally Posted by zzz2496 MacBook Pro, Battery life IMHO is the most important issue in mobile devices - and the new MBPs have excellent battery life. As for the "easy to upgrade" argument... Laptops aren't upgradeable, so this argument is flawed. As for Desktop/Tower PCs, the "easy to upgrade" argument is also flawed... An upgrade that consist of upgrading the processor to a new motherboard - is considered as buying a new computer... (-_-)a. Upgrading a gfx card, Tower macs can do that too, and also true for upgrading memory or adding a storage controller... PCs aren't "easier to upgrade", you just got used to the fact that you can build PCs from ground up, but not Macs.
Just my 2cents,
zzz2496 I believe they are referring to opportunity cost factors, and actual costs themselves. I also believe that the argument is not on "upgradability" is not limited to "specifications". Hmm... I see. I don't see how servicing a Mac can cost more than servicing a PC though (I have 2007 MacBook Pro, the MB failed several times, Apple care covered it like nothing happens...). | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Self Built OS Windows7 Ultimate 64bit CPU Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Motherboard Abit IN9-32X-MMAX Memory DDR2 Adata 4GB Graphics Card Nvidia GeForce GTX 285 1024 and Nvidia GeForce 8800GT 512 Sound Card Asus Xonar HDAV 1.3 Monitor(s) Displays Dell 2407WFP and BenQ 2400v and Philips 150v3 Screen Resolution 3840x1200 and 1024x768 Keyboard MicrosoftNaturalKeyboard 4000/Apple Alu keyboard/Dinovo mini Mouse Logitech G5/MarbleMouseTrackball/PerformanceMX/SpacePilotPRO PSU Corsair TX 850W Case Cooler Master HAF932 Cooling Arctic Cooling Freezer Extreme and plenty of fans... Hard Drives 2 WDC 1TB
1 WDC 1.5TB
1 WDC 640GB
1 WDC 320GB
1 Seagate 200GB Internet Speed 1.5Mbps down/384Kbps up Other Info APC SURT 1000XL
Logitech Z-560
Wiimote
Mikrotik Router
Linksys (now Cisco) SD2008 8 port Gigabit switch
Linksys WRT54G (acting as AP)
Apple wireless Aluminium keyboard
Apple Magic Mouse
Xbox360 wired controller |
03 May 2010
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#7 | | |

Quote: Originally Posted by DarkNovaGamer 
Quote: Originally Posted by cclloyd9785 If you had the choice between a 17" Macbook Pro, or a similar laptop with around the same specs or better, which one would you take.
Me personally, I would take the PC, because they have cheaper (pricewise) support, and can easily be upgraded. Plus Windows 7 is better than SL. I'd get the MacBook Pro. Apple makes great products, its just their own 'closed-off little world' that I dislike.
Windows 7 is NOT better than Snow Leopard, nor vice versa. Every Operating System has its ups and downs. None is better than the other. Besides, Macs support Windows (via bootcamp) so you can have both. So why not? +1, Well said, DarkNovaGamer.
zzz2496 | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Self Built OS Windows7 Ultimate 64bit CPU Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Motherboard Abit IN9-32X-MMAX Memory DDR2 Adata 4GB Graphics Card Nvidia GeForce GTX 285 1024 and Nvidia GeForce 8800GT 512 Sound Card Asus Xonar HDAV 1.3 Monitor(s) Displays Dell 2407WFP and BenQ 2400v and Philips 150v3 Screen Resolution 3840x1200 and 1024x768 Keyboard MicrosoftNaturalKeyboard 4000/Apple Alu keyboard/Dinovo mini Mouse Logitech G5/MarbleMouseTrackball/PerformanceMX/SpacePilotPRO PSU Corsair TX 850W Case Cooler Master HAF932 Cooling Arctic Cooling Freezer Extreme and plenty of fans... Hard Drives 2 WDC 1TB
1 WDC 1.5TB
1 WDC 640GB
1 WDC 320GB
1 Seagate 200GB Internet Speed 1.5Mbps down/384Kbps up Other Info APC SURT 1000XL
Logitech Z-560
Wiimote
Mikrotik Router
Linksys (now Cisco) SD2008 8 port Gigabit switch
Linksys WRT54G (acting as AP)
Apple wireless Aluminium keyboard
Apple Magic Mouse
Xbox360 wired controller |
03 May 2010
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#8 | | Windows 7 Ultimate x64 The Golden State |

Quote: Originally Posted by zzz2496 MacBook Pro, Battery life IMHO is the most important issue in mobile devices - and the new MBPs have excellent battery life. As for the "easy to upgrade" argument... Laptops aren't upgradeable, so this argument is flawed. As for Desktop/Tower PCs, the "easy to upgrade" argument is also flawed... An upgrade that consist of upgrading the processor to a new motherboard - is considered as buying a new computer... (-_-)a. Upgrading a gfx card, Tower macs can do that too, and also true for upgrading memory or adding a storage controller... PCs aren't "easier to upgrade", you just got used to the fact that you can build PCs from ground up, but not Macs.
Just my 2cents,
zzz2496 Although the question is directed to a MBP--a notebook--you took the opportunity to inject desktops into the equation. If I have a motherboard--say an AM2+ motherboard--and the cpu installed is an Athlon 64 X2 and I get a Phenom, either the first gen or second gen, and the only other thing I have to do is potentially update the BIOS to accept the new proc, then that is an upgrade. That is not buying a new computer as you state, but an upgrade. I took an "inferior" part and replaced it with a "superior" part... Isn't that the definition of an upgrade?
If you get the right type of PC notebook, that upgrade is possible as well. I've done it to a notebook I once owned--took a single core Turion64 proc and replaced it with a dual core Turion64X2. It can be done and it is not as hard as some would make it to be--just keep track of your screws! | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Rig 1 OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 CPU AMD Phenom II X4 940 Black Edition @ 3.4GHz (AM2+) Motherboard Gigabyte GA-MA790X-UD4P (AM2+) Memory Corsair CM2X4096-8500C5 (4 X 2GB) Graphics Card XFX Radeon HD 5770 / Diamond Radeon HD 5770 CrossFireX Sound Card Asus Xonar DS (PCI) Monitor(s) Displays Samsung SyncMaster 932bw+ (3) Screen Resolution 4320x900 Keyboard Logitech Desktop Wave Mouse Logitech LX8 Laser PSU Corsair CMPSU-750TX Case Cooler Master HAF 932 Cooling Corsair Hydro Series H50 Hard Drives OCZ Vertex 2 80 GB - Windows 7 System --
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04 May 2010
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#9 | | |

Quote: Originally Posted by mpcrsc562 
Quote: Originally Posted by zzz2496 MacBook Pro, Battery life IMHO is the most important issue in mobile devices - and the new MBPs have excellent battery life. As for the "easy to upgrade" argument... Laptops aren't upgradeable, so this argument is flawed. As for Desktop/Tower PCs, the "easy to upgrade" argument is also flawed... An upgrade that consist of upgrading the processor to a new motherboard - is considered as buying a new computer... (-_-)a. Upgrading a gfx card, Tower macs can do that too, and also true for upgrading memory or adding a storage controller... PCs aren't "easier to upgrade", you just got used to the fact that you can build PCs from ground up, but not Macs.
Just my 2cents,
zzz2496 Although the question is directed to a MBP--a notebook--you took the opportunity to inject desktops into the equation. If I have a motherboard--say an AM2+ motherboard--and the cpu installed is an Athlon 64 X2 and I get a Phenom, either the first gen or second gen, and the only other thing I have to do is potentially update the BIOS to accept the new proc, then that is an upgrade. That is not buying a new computer as you state, but an upgrade. I took an "inferior" part and replaced it with a "superior" part... Isn't that the definition of an upgrade?
If you get the right type of PC notebook, that upgrade is possible as well. I've done it to a notebook I once owned--took a single core Turion64 proc and replaced it with a dual core Turion64X2. It can be done and it is not as hard as some would make it to be--just keep track of your screws! Hmm... Sorry, I don't upgrade my computer to the same "generation" hardware - I personally think that it's rather pointless. My current processor is Core2Quad Q6600, If I were to upgrade it, it won't be Core2Quad 9000 series (the performance difference is only 20-30% at best, the cost however - isn't worth the while), and I upgrade my PC every 3 - 4 years period, so - that's what I'm basing on.
I know that there are individuals that upgrades his/her processor in one generation family (say AM2 to AM2+ with a BIOS update), but it doesn't make sense at all (again, this is my personal opinion), from economical standpoint doesn't make sense - wasting several hundred dollars to replace a chip that costs almost the same back then, from performance standpoint- the performance difference is no where near 50% or 70% more performance (that is the point of upgrade IMHO, a lot more performance). But again, each to one's own... please excuse my "silly" opinion.
As for laptops, I still prefer MBP, even if it does have inferior hardware - the battery life is the deciding factor. I expect my laptop to work a long time when untethered, not like those gaming laptops, very high system specs with ~1 hour battery life. It is utterly silly for a mobile device... Can you use a phone that runs it's battery out in less than 2 hours for your day to day needs?
zzz2496 | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Self Built OS Windows7 Ultimate 64bit CPU Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Motherboard Abit IN9-32X-MMAX Memory DDR2 Adata 4GB Graphics Card Nvidia GeForce GTX 285 1024 and Nvidia GeForce 8800GT 512 Sound Card Asus Xonar HDAV 1.3 Monitor(s) Displays Dell 2407WFP and BenQ 2400v and Philips 150v3 Screen Resolution 3840x1200 and 1024x768 Keyboard MicrosoftNaturalKeyboard 4000/Apple Alu keyboard/Dinovo mini Mouse Logitech G5/MarbleMouseTrackball/PerformanceMX/SpacePilotPRO PSU Corsair TX 850W Case Cooler Master HAF932 Cooling Arctic Cooling Freezer Extreme and plenty of fans... Hard Drives 2 WDC 1TB
1 WDC 1.5TB
1 WDC 640GB
1 WDC 320GB
1 Seagate 200GB Internet Speed 1.5Mbps down/384Kbps up Other Info APC SURT 1000XL
Logitech Z-560
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Mikrotik Router
Linksys (now Cisco) SD2008 8 port Gigabit switch
Linksys WRT54G (acting as AP)
Apple wireless Aluminium keyboard
Apple Magic Mouse
Xbox360 wired controller |
04 May 2010
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#10 | | |

Quote: Originally Posted by mpcrsc562 
Quote: Originally Posted by zzz2496 MacBook Pro, Battery life IMHO is the most important issue in mobile devices - and the new MBPs have excellent battery life. As for the "easy to upgrade" argument... Laptops aren't upgradeable, so this argument is flawed. As for Desktop/Tower PCs, the "easy to upgrade" argument is also flawed... An upgrade that consist of upgrading the processor to a new motherboard - is considered as buying a new computer... (-_-)a. Upgrading a gfx card, Tower macs can do that too, and also true for upgrading memory or adding a storage controller... PCs aren't "easier to upgrade", you just got used to the fact that you can build PCs from ground up, but not Macs.
Just my 2cents,
zzz2496 Although the question is directed to a MBP--a notebook--you took the opportunity to inject desktops into the equation. If I have a motherboard--say an AM2+ motherboard--and the cpu installed is an Athlon 64 X2 and I get a Phenom, either the first gen or second gen, and the only other thing I have to do is potentially update the BIOS to accept the new proc, then that is an upgrade. That is not buying a new computer as you state, but an upgrade. I took an "inferior" part and replaced it with a "superior" part... Isn't that the definition of an upgrade?
If you get the right type of PC notebook, that upgrade is possible as well. I've done it to a notebook I once owned--took a single core Turion64 proc and replaced it with a dual core Turion64X2. It can be done and it is not as hard as some would make it to be--just keep track of your screws! Some Intel users don't know that. lol | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Custom Built/ Built by me, CR-48 OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 CPU INTEL CORE I5 750 180x20 all powersaving 1.168v Motherboard MSI P55-GD55 Memory OCZ 4GB DDR3 PC3-10666 (7-7-7-20-2t) @1.651v Graphics Card ASUS 9800GT GLACIATOR FANSINK Sound Card ONBOARD REALTEK ALC889 Monitor(s) Displays VIEWSONIC VX924, VIZIO VS420LF1A Screen Resolution VX924: 1280x1024 75hz, VS420LF1A: 1920x1080 60hz(1080p) Keyboard Logitech K520 Mouse LOGITECH M310 PSU OCZ MODXSTREAM PRO 700 WATT SEMI-MODULAR Case ANTEC 900 Cooling CoolerMaster Hyper 212+ Hard Drives HITACHI Deskstar HD31000 IDK/7K 1TB 7200RPM 32MB CACHE SATA II Internet Speed CHARTER PIPELINE 15MB DOWN/ 3MB UP Other Info ROUTER: DLINK DIR-655, Netgear WNR3500L (SamKnows)
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