| Windows 7: "Smart" Alloy Will Make Your Air Conditioner 175% More Efficient |
20 Jul 2010
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#11 | | Windows 7 Ultimate x64, Mint 9 In the Crust |

Quote: Originally Posted by clunkfish Quote: No you are right in the second one. Assuming AC is about 40% efficient, then it is essentially (40+(40*.75) and becomes 70% efficient. It may not be a BIG increase, but if every AC unit in Arizona used this, we would save a ton of money and landfill space. No, that's a 75% increase. A 175% increase from 40%, using Method 2 (  ) gives:
(40+(40*1.75))=110% efficiency
- so we are still in the realms of perpetual motion machines. If they really can do this, buy stock right now  No, thats wrong.
It is 175% MORE efficient than it already is, which means 1.75 more efficient... That makes it 70%.
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20 Jul 2010
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#12 | | Windows 7 Enterprise x64 North Somerset, UK |
If I earn £40 per hour and get a 175% increase, I will now earn £110 per hour. If my increase is to £70 per hour, that's only a 75% rise.
It's always clearer when you put it in financial terms | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Custom OS Windows 7 Enterprise x64 CPU Intel i7 920 Motherboard Asus P6T Deluxe v2 Memory 6 GB Graphics Card nVidia GTX260 + nVidia 3D Sound Card Onboard Monitor(s) Displays Samsung SyncMaster 2233RZ Screen Resolution 1680 x 1050 PSU 700W Hard Drives 1 x 64GB SSD primary
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20 Jul 2010
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#13 | | Windows 7 Ultimate x64 (Retail) Dartmouth, N.S., Canada |
That 70% is still a product of the initial number.
175% (MORE) efficient, initial efficiency suggestion was 40%, = 40 (100%) + 30 (75%) = 70%
70% + 40% (the original number - the percentages are additive) = 110%.
Seeing as how one cannot generate more than is put into a system (power in = power out), the above numbers just do not work.
I would venture to say this system (may) improve efficience by a given amount, but any real numbers have yet to be determined/realized. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Personal build OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 (Retail) CPU Intel I7-860 Motherboard Asus Maximus III Formula Memory G.Skill RipJaw DDR3-1333 16GB (4x4GB) Graphics Card Nvidia GTS-250 1GB Sound Card SupremeFX X-Fi 7.1 HD sound system. Monitor(s) Displays VisionQuest VQL-22WSHD LCD Monitor Screen Resolution 1680x1050 Keyboard Logitech G11 Keyboard Mouse Logitech MX518 Optical Mouse PSU OCZ EliteXtream OCZ1000EXS 1000W ATX12V 20/24 Pin Active PFC Case Antec 1200 Cooling Swifteck H2O-220 Ultima XT Liquid Cooling w/ 320 Radiator Hard Drives 1x Seagate ST3500418AS 500G SATA2 HDD
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20 Jul 2010
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#14 | | |
40%= 4/10= 0.4
175% = 175/100 = 1.75
.4 * 1.75 = 0.7 = 70% | My System Specs | | Computer type Laptop System Manufacturer/Model Number ASUS G60-RBBX05 OS Win7 Home Premium 64x CPU Intel Core 2 Duo P7450 / 2.13 GHz (2.29 with Extreme Turbo) Memory 4 GB PC-6400 Hyundai (2X2) at 800Mhz Graphics Card NVIDIA GeForce GTX 260M 1GB DDR3 VRAM Monitor(s) Displays 16" LED Backlit Screen Resolution 1366 x 768 on laptop 1600x1050 max res on 22" external mon Keyboard Chicklet type back-lit (white light) keyboard Mouse Logitech G9 Laser Mouse 3200dpi and 1000 reports per minute PSU 6-cell Lithium ion { lasts 1.5 hours } Case ASUS G60 Laptop Hard Drives OCZ Agility 3 60GB SSD / 320 GB - Serial ATA-150 - 7200 rpm Internet Speed Comcast 8.60mb/s up - 3.11mb/s down Antivirus MSE Browser Firefox Other Info General mid-budget gaming Comp. Low batterylife - High FrameRates - currently overheating problems :(
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20 Jul 2010
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#15 | | |
another example.
Bob works at a job at 40% capacity.
Sue works twice as hard (200%)
sue works at 80% capacity
.4 * 2.0 = .80 or 80% | My System Specs | | Computer type Laptop System Manufacturer/Model Number ASUS G60-RBBX05 OS Win7 Home Premium 64x CPU Intel Core 2 Duo P7450 / 2.13 GHz (2.29 with Extreme Turbo) Memory 4 GB PC-6400 Hyundai (2X2) at 800Mhz Graphics Card NVIDIA GeForce GTX 260M 1GB DDR3 VRAM Monitor(s) Displays 16" LED Backlit Screen Resolution 1366 x 768 on laptop 1600x1050 max res on 22" external mon Keyboard Chicklet type back-lit (white light) keyboard Mouse Logitech G9 Laser Mouse 3200dpi and 1000 reports per minute PSU 6-cell Lithium ion { lasts 1.5 hours } Case ASUS G60 Laptop Hard Drives OCZ Agility 3 60GB SSD / 320 GB - Serial ATA-150 - 7200 rpm Internet Speed Comcast 8.60mb/s up - 3.11mb/s down Antivirus MSE Browser Firefox Other Info General mid-budget gaming Comp. Low batterylife - High FrameRates - currently overheating problems :(
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20 Jul 2010
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#16 | | Windows 7 x64 Ultimate San Diego |
I would bet that it's 99% probable that the phrase "more efficient" was incorrectly used in the original source. Actual grammar is completely non-existant in most news sources these days. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Scratch built OS Windows 7 x64 Ultimate CPU i7 960 Motherboard Asus P6X58D Memory 12 Gig Corsair Dominator Graphics Card Nvidia 480 Sound Card Maudio Delta 44 + breakout box Monitor(s) Displays Dell UltraSharp U2410 24in and Samsung 21 dual monitors Screen Resolution 1920x1200 and 1280x1024 Keyboard Logitech G15 + N52 game pad Mouse Logitech MX518 PSU Corasair TX850 Case Cooler Master HAF Cooling Corsair H50 Hard Drives Primary: Intel X-25M G2 160G SSD
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20 Jul 2010
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#17 | | Windows 7 Enterprise x64 North Somerset, UK |

Quote: Originally Posted by Thorsen 40%= 4/10= 0.4
175% = 175/100 = 1.75
.4 * 1.75 = 0.7 = 70% By your analysis, a 100% increase would be worthless:
40%= 4/10= 0.4
100% = 100/100 = 1.00
.4 * 1.00 = 0.4 = 40%
So a 100% increase from 40% would be...still 40%. This is clearly wrong.
What's more, a 50% increase by this method would mean a decrease:
40%= 4/10= 0.4
50% = 50/100 = 0.5
.4 * 0.5 = 0.2 = 20%
We started with 40%, increased it by half, and ended up with... only 20%. This is even more clearly wrong.
A 25% increase from 40% is 50%; a 50% increase from 40% is 60%; a 100% increase from 40% is 80%; and a 175% increase from 40% is 110%. So either standard air conditioners generally work at rather low efficiencies and the new system is going to improve them by an absolutely astonishing amount, or this "175% increase" they quote is a mistake. My money is on option 2 | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Custom OS Windows 7 Enterprise x64 CPU Intel i7 920 Motherboard Asus P6T Deluxe v2 Memory 6 GB Graphics Card nVidia GTX260 + nVidia 3D Sound Card Onboard Monitor(s) Displays Samsung SyncMaster 2233RZ Screen Resolution 1680 x 1050 PSU 700W Hard Drives 1 x 64GB SSD primary
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20 Jul 2010
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#18 | | Windows 7 Ultimate x64 (Retail) Dartmouth, N.S., Canada |
I would agree with option 2 also. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Personal build OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 (Retail) CPU Intel I7-860 Motherboard Asus Maximus III Formula Memory G.Skill RipJaw DDR3-1333 16GB (4x4GB) Graphics Card Nvidia GTS-250 1GB Sound Card SupremeFX X-Fi 7.1 HD sound system. Monitor(s) Displays VisionQuest VQL-22WSHD LCD Monitor Screen Resolution 1680x1050 Keyboard Logitech G11 Keyboard Mouse Logitech MX518 Optical Mouse PSU OCZ EliteXtream OCZ1000EXS 1000W ATX12V 20/24 Pin Active PFC Case Antec 1200 Cooling Swifteck H2O-220 Ultima XT Liquid Cooling w/ 320 Radiator Hard Drives 1x Seagate ST3500418AS 500G SATA2 HDD
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20 Jul 2010
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#19 | | Windows 7 Ultimate x64, Mint 9 In the Crust |

Quote: Originally Posted by clunkfish 
Quote: Originally Posted by Thorsen 40%= 4/10= 0.4
175% = 175/100 = 1.75
.4 * 1.75 = 0.7 = 70% By your analysis, a 100% increase would be worthless:
40%= 4/10= 0.4
100% = 100/100 = 1.00
.4 * 1.00 = 0.4 = 40%
So a 100% increase from 40% would be...still 40%. This is clearly wrong.
What's more, a 50% increase by this method would mean a decrease:
40%= 4/10= 0.4
50% = 50/100 = 0.5
.4 * 0.5 = 0.2 = 20%
We started with 40%, increased it by half, and ended up with... only 20%. This is even more clearly wrong.
A 25% increase from 40% is 50%; a 50% increase from 40% is 60%; a 100% increase from 40% is 80%; and a 175% increase from 40% is 110%. So either standard air conditioners generally work at rather low efficiencies and the new system is going to improve them by an absolutely astonishing amount, or this "175% increase" they quote is a mistake. My money is on option 2  No, you are still wrong.
50% is 1/2 correct?
So 1/2 of 50% is 25%.
175% is 7/4, so 7/4 of 50% is 87.5%
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20 Jul 2010
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#20 | | Windows 7 Ultimate x64 (Retail) Dartmouth, N.S., Canada |
You're missing the big point: This is on top of the original figure (added to).
so 175% more than 40% is 110%
let's work with actual numbers, shall we?
say (as in previous example) 100% is 100 units.
40% of this is 40 units.
still with me?
we increase the 40 units by 175% (175% of the 40 units).
first off, what are we doing?
we are adding an additional 175% of these 40 units to this amount.
40 * 1.75 (we all agree here 1.75 = 175%) = 70 (can be checked with a calculator for those who are slower)
this is the amount we are adding to the original 40 units.
so:
original units + 175% of those units = new total units
40 + 70 = 110 units now total. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Personal build OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 (Retail) CPU Intel I7-860 Motherboard Asus Maximus III Formula Memory G.Skill RipJaw DDR3-1333 16GB (4x4GB) Graphics Card Nvidia GTS-250 1GB Sound Card SupremeFX X-Fi 7.1 HD sound system. Monitor(s) Displays VisionQuest VQL-22WSHD LCD Monitor Screen Resolution 1680x1050 Keyboard Logitech G11 Keyboard Mouse Logitech MX518 Optical Mouse PSU OCZ EliteXtream OCZ1000EXS 1000W ATX12V 20/24 Pin Active PFC Case Antec 1200 Cooling Swifteck H2O-220 Ultima XT Liquid Cooling w/ 320 Radiator Hard Drives 1x Seagate ST3500418AS 500G SATA2 HDD
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