| Windows 7: Get rid of the libraries? |
09 Jan 2011
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#11 | | Several, including Windows 7 x64 Ultimate |

Quote: Originally Posted by kado897 
Quote: Originally Posted by Mike Connor 
Quote: Originally Posted by kado897 Ho Hum... Why not get rid of the file structure altogether and just have one big folder.  Libraries have nothing at all to do with file structure.
Using a single folder is not a problem with the right software.
Change is not always progress.........
Regards....Mike Connor I am aware that libraries are nothing to do with the file structure they are a tool to help in grouping and organizing folders. I find them very useful. I just find it incredible that some people automatically reject anything new and hark back to the good old days of XP.  Not according to Microsoft;
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With Windows 7, the concept of Libraries tries to address the problem of users storing content all over their PC by allowing them to have full control over their Documents Library folder structure. In other words, in Windows 7 users can define which folders to include in the Documents Library
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From Inside Windows 7:Introducing Libraries
Just a poor attempt to make up for lack of user knowledge and discipline.
That many find them useful is not at issue, there are just as many more who find them to be a nuisance.
Regards....Mike Connor | My System Specs |
| OS Several, including Windows 7 x64 Ultimate |
09 Jan 2011
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#12 | | Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 7601 Multiprocessor Free Service Pack 1 Hertfordshire |
So, with 10k folders, how do you find anything? | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Hewlett-Packard/G62-107SA Notebook OS Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 7601 Multiprocessor Free Service Pack 1 CPU Intel(R) Core(TM) i3 CPU M 330 @ 2.13GHz Motherboard Hewlett-Packard 1425 Memory 8 GB DDR3 Graphics Card Intel(R) HD Graphics Sound Card Realtek High Definition Audio Monitor(s) Displays Builtin Screen Resolution 1366 x 768 x 32 bits (4294967296 colors) @ 60 Hz Mouse Microsoft Bluetooth Notebook Mouse 5000 Hard Drives 250 GB SATA Hard Disk Drive 7200 rpm
2TB Seagate GoFlex USB 2 Drive
1TB Iomega Prestige USB 2 Drive
1.5TB Iomega Prestige USB 2 Drive (Samsung)
1TB Iomega NAS. Internet Speed 60 Mbs download 3 Mbs upload Antivirus Norton 360 Browser Chrome |
09 Jan 2011
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#13 | | Windows 7 SP1, Home Premium, 64-bit |

Quote: Originally Posted by kado897 So, with 10k folders, how do you find anything? Even I can recognize a rhetorical question.
Truthfully, I didn't think it was that high. But that is what the command says. I'd have guessed 2 or 3 thousand. I never notice it. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Ignatz Special; 4 speed manual gearbox; factory air conditioning; one of one OS Windows 7 SP1, Home Premium, 64-bit CPU Intel Sandy Bridge i5-2500, not overclocked Motherboard Gigabyte H67A-UD3H-B3, full ATX Memory 4 GB Crucial DDR3-1333 Graphics Card none; graphics are integrated on CPU Sound Card onboard: Realtek ALC892; external: USB Behringer UF0-202 Monitor(s) Displays NEC 90GX2-BK 19" LCD Screen Resolution 800 x 640 Keyboard Leopold Tenkeyless with Cherry Blue switches, USB Mouse Logitech or Microsoft optical wired; either USB or PS 2 PSU Seasonic SS-560KM, modular Case Antec Solo II Cooling CPU: Scythe Big Shuriken; Case: Scythe Slipstream 800 & 500 Hard Drives System: Intel 320 Series SSD, 80 GB;
Data: Samsung Spinpoint 103SJ, 1 TB;
Backup: WD Caviar Green WD15EADS-00P8B0, 1.5TB Other Info Power consumption of this system, including monitor: 68 watts at idle; 144 watts at full load |
09 Jan 2011
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#14 | | Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 7601 Multiprocessor Free Service Pack 1 Hertfordshire |

Quote: Originally Posted by Mike Connor 
Quote: Originally Posted by kado897 
Quote: Originally Posted by Mike Connor
Libraries have nothing at all to do with file structure.
Using a single folder is not a problem with the right software.
Change is not always progress.........
Regards....Mike Connor I am aware that libraries are nothing to do with the file structure they are a tool to help in grouping and organizing folders. I find them very useful. I just find it incredible that some people automatically reject anything new and hark back to the good old days of XP.  Not according to Microsoft;
QUOTE
With Windows 7, the concept of Libraries tries to address the problem of users storing content all over their PC by allowing them to have full control over their Documents Library folder structure. In other words, in Windows 7 users can define which folders to include in the Documents Library
UNQUOTE
From Inside Windows 7:Introducing Libraries
Just a poor attempt to make up for lack of user knowledge and discipline.
That many find them useful is not at issue, there are just as many more who find them to be a nuisance.
Regards....Mike Connor It's not just people who store things all over the place, programs do too. Libraries are just a tool, you don't have to use them. | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Hewlett-Packard/G62-107SA Notebook OS Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 7601 Multiprocessor Free Service Pack 1 CPU Intel(R) Core(TM) i3 CPU M 330 @ 2.13GHz Motherboard Hewlett-Packard 1425 Memory 8 GB DDR3 Graphics Card Intel(R) HD Graphics Sound Card Realtek High Definition Audio Monitor(s) Displays Builtin Screen Resolution 1366 x 768 x 32 bits (4294967296 colors) @ 60 Hz Mouse Microsoft Bluetooth Notebook Mouse 5000 Hard Drives 250 GB SATA Hard Disk Drive 7200 rpm
2TB Seagate GoFlex USB 2 Drive
1TB Iomega Prestige USB 2 Drive
1.5TB Iomega Prestige USB 2 Drive (Samsung)
1TB Iomega NAS. Internet Speed 60 Mbs download 3 Mbs upload Antivirus Norton 360 Browser Chrome |
09 Jan 2011
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#15 | | Several, including Windows 7 x64 Ultimate |

Quote: Originally Posted by kado897 So, with 10k folders, how do you find anything? The same way you do now, using either a file manager, or a command line utility. ( Preferably one that works!  )
Regards....Mike Connor | My System Specs | | OS Several, including Windows 7 x64 Ultimate |
09 Jan 2011
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#16 | | Several, including Windows 7 x64 Ultimate |

Quote: Originally Posted by kado897
It's not just people who store things all over the place, programs do too. Libraries are just a tool, you don't have to use them. Good programs don't !
I know I don't have to use them, that's why I disable and remove them. There are a lot of people who don't want to use them and ARE forced to use them, because they dont know how to get rid of them.
Regards....Mike Connor | My System Specs | | OS Several, including Windows 7 x64 Ultimate |
09 Jan 2011
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#17 | | Windows 7 SP1, Home Premium, 64-bit |

Quote: Originally Posted by Mike Connor 
Quote: Originally Posted by kado897 So, with 10k folders, how do you find anything? The same way you do now, using either a file manager, or a command line utility. ( Preferably one that works!  )
Regards....Mike Connor I assume Kado is jiving me, but I'll play along while I wait for the football game.
Suppose I download a PDF file that is a manual for a Gigabyte GA-H67MA-UDH2 motherboard.
It goes here:
D:\computer\hardware\motherboards and chipsets\Gigabyte
Likewise a live recording made by Ella Fitzgerald goes here:
D:\mp3\pop and jazz\ella fitzgerald\live
It's just a nested series of folders.
How do I find out if I have a particular Ella Fitzgerald live recording?
Well, I know that I wouldn't put the Ella song in the Elvis folder. So, oddly enough, I would navigate to D:\mp3\pop and jazz\ella fitzgerald\live and look.
If I was unorganized generally, I would have all 22,000 mp3s in a single folder and have lost my mind long ago.
You have to be willing to name a file based on its contents. That is--your Gigabyte motherboard manuals can't be named "cool computer stuff".
I have a high powered near-instantaneous file search tool ("Everything"), which can find any file on my system by name within 1 or 2 seconds. I use it occasionally if I think it's quicker than navigating and looking.
But you knew all of that. I'm just playing along with you. As I said, "to each his own". | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Ignatz Special; 4 speed manual gearbox; factory air conditioning; one of one OS Windows 7 SP1, Home Premium, 64-bit CPU Intel Sandy Bridge i5-2500, not overclocked Motherboard Gigabyte H67A-UD3H-B3, full ATX Memory 4 GB Crucial DDR3-1333 Graphics Card none; graphics are integrated on CPU Sound Card onboard: Realtek ALC892; external: USB Behringer UF0-202 Monitor(s) Displays NEC 90GX2-BK 19" LCD Screen Resolution 800 x 640 Keyboard Leopold Tenkeyless with Cherry Blue switches, USB Mouse Logitech or Microsoft optical wired; either USB or PS 2 PSU Seasonic SS-560KM, modular Case Antec Solo II Cooling CPU: Scythe Big Shuriken; Case: Scythe Slipstream 800 & 500 Hard Drives System: Intel 320 Series SSD, 80 GB;
Data: Samsung Spinpoint 103SJ, 1 TB;
Backup: WD Caviar Green WD15EADS-00P8B0, 1.5TB Other Info Power consumption of this system, including monitor: 68 watts at idle; 144 watts at full load |
09 Jan 2011
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#18 | | Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 7601 Multiprocessor Free Service Pack 1 Hertfordshire |

Quote: Originally Posted by Mike Connor 
Quote: Originally Posted by kado897
It's not just people who store things all over the place, programs do too. Libraries are just a tool, you don't have to use them. Good programs don't !
I know I don't have to use them, that's why I disable and remove them. There are a lot of people who don't want to use them and ARE forced to use them, because they dont know how to get rid of them.
Regards....Mike Connor It's not people who learn about them and try to use them before deciding to get rid of them that I can't understand, it's the people who just dismiss them out of hand because they are different from the way it has always been done. | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Hewlett-Packard/G62-107SA Notebook OS Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 7601 Multiprocessor Free Service Pack 1 CPU Intel(R) Core(TM) i3 CPU M 330 @ 2.13GHz Motherboard Hewlett-Packard 1425 Memory 8 GB DDR3 Graphics Card Intel(R) HD Graphics Sound Card Realtek High Definition Audio Monitor(s) Displays Builtin Screen Resolution 1366 x 768 x 32 bits (4294967296 colors) @ 60 Hz Mouse Microsoft Bluetooth Notebook Mouse 5000 Hard Drives 250 GB SATA Hard Disk Drive 7200 rpm
2TB Seagate GoFlex USB 2 Drive
1TB Iomega Prestige USB 2 Drive
1.5TB Iomega Prestige USB 2 Drive (Samsung)
1TB Iomega NAS. Internet Speed 60 Mbs download 3 Mbs upload Antivirus Norton 360 Browser Chrome |
09 Jan 2011
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#19 | | Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 7601 Multiprocessor Free Service Pack 1 Hertfordshire |

Quote: Originally Posted by ignatzatsonic 
Quote: Originally Posted by Mike Connor 
Quote: Originally Posted by kado897 So, with 10k folders, how do you find anything? The same way you do now, using either a file manager, or a command line utility. ( Preferably one that works!  )
Regards....Mike Connor I assume Kado is jiving me, but I'll play along while I wait for the football game.
Suppose I download a PDF file that is a manual for a Gigabyte GA-H67MA-UDH2 motherboard.
It goes here:
D:\computer\hardware\motherboards and chipsets\Gigabyte
Likewise a live recording made by Ella Fitzgerald goes here:
D:\mp3\pop and jazz\ella fitzgerald\live
It's just a nested series of folders.
How do I find out if I have a particular Ella Fitzgerald live recording?
Well, I know that I wouldn't put the Ella song in the Elvis folder. So, oddly enough, I would navigate to D:\mp3\pop and jazz\ella fitzgerald\live and look.
If I was unorganized generally, I would have all 22,000 mp3s in a single folder and have lost my mind long ago.
You have to be willing to name a file based on its contents. That is--your Gigabyte motherboard manuals can't be named "cool computer stuff".
I have a high powered near-instantaneous file search tool ("Everything"), which can find any file on my system by name within 1 or 2 seconds. I use it occasionally if I think it's quicker than navigating and looking.
But you knew all of that. I'm just playing along with you. As I said, "to each his own". Enjoy the game. | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Hewlett-Packard/G62-107SA Notebook OS Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 7601 Multiprocessor Free Service Pack 1 CPU Intel(R) Core(TM) i3 CPU M 330 @ 2.13GHz Motherboard Hewlett-Packard 1425 Memory 8 GB DDR3 Graphics Card Intel(R) HD Graphics Sound Card Realtek High Definition Audio Monitor(s) Displays Builtin Screen Resolution 1366 x 768 x 32 bits (4294967296 colors) @ 60 Hz Mouse Microsoft Bluetooth Notebook Mouse 5000 Hard Drives 250 GB SATA Hard Disk Drive 7200 rpm
2TB Seagate GoFlex USB 2 Drive
1TB Iomega Prestige USB 2 Drive
1.5TB Iomega Prestige USB 2 Drive (Samsung)
1TB Iomega NAS. Internet Speed 60 Mbs download 3 Mbs upload Antivirus Norton 360 Browser Chrome |
09 Jan 2011
|
#20 | | Several, including Windows 7 x64 Ultimate |

Quote: Originally Posted by kado897 
Quote: Originally Posted by Mike Connor 
Quote: Originally Posted by kado897
It's not just people who store things all over the place, programs do too. Libraries are just a tool, you don't have to use them. Good programs don't !
I know I don't have to use them, that's why I disable and remove them. There are a lot of people who don't want to use them and ARE forced to use them, because they dont know how to get rid of them.
Regards....Mike Connor It's not people who learn about them and try to use them before deciding to get rid of them that I can't understand, it's the people who just dismiss them out of hand because they are different from the way it has always been done. I suppose that's fair comment. The problem for most who have tried to use them is not the obvious gains to be had, there is no gainsaying that there are various powerful advantages to using libraries or similar systems under certain circumstances, but the concomitant loss of a nunber of quite simple functions and routes.
Nobody I know who has much to do with computers, ( and that's a large number of people) has dismissed them out of hand, they have generally tried to use them and given up in frustration.
There are also untold numbers of users who simply wanted a faster more reliable system, ( than XP), they did not want a whole slew of, ( to them), dubious "improvements" in the user interface.
There are lots of various groups and factions involved here, and I suspect that those who "dismiss out of hand", are not that really large a group all told.
Whatever, just a few thoughts on the matter.
Regards....Mike Connor | My System Specs | | OS Several, including Windows 7 x64 Ultimate Get rid of the libraries? problems? All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:34 AM. | |