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Windows 7: Windows 7 vs Windows 10: which do you find the best? Why?

19 Apr 2016   #11
rafa79

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

I myself have read on tomshardware.com forums about Windows 10 a very convincing explanation for all the forced updates; it says that what MS are trying to accomplish with this is, in the end, to improve their new OS which will be their last OS(in terms of name anyway) by making sure every user gets updated and have their Windows 10 improved upon.

The only case in which I would be concerned about MS and their new updating system would be if I were a criminal of some sort and were hiding evidence on my computer. Since that's not my case, I don't have any reason to be concerned, I do believe MS are simply trying to make sure their Win10 users are getting the necessary updates so it can be improved. Remember that on previous versions of Windows, with the option to disable updates, most people wouldn't update and then have problems because of it as consequence.

Maybe MS are being too aggressive with this new tactic for having their new OS improved upon, but since I'm not a criminal with evidence hidden on my computer, I don't think I have much to fear.


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19 Apr 2016   #12
ICIT2LOL

Desk1 7 Home Prem / Desk2 10 Pro / Main lap Asus ROG 10 Pro 2 laptop Toshiba 7 Pro Asus P2520 7 & 10
 
 

Yes that is ok rafa if you don't have any "history" and yes if the updates are to make the system better but accessing emails?? and data. Now what if you were sending sensitive and or personal info say to your wife or girlfriend?

I think that one should be given the choice of signing off on anyone accessing your data such as that over blatantly using it - that smacks of a dictatorial state of affairs. If Microsoft were to put out tomorrow that option of allowing them to access your data by any individual doing said signing off on it then I would more than pleased to try it again because the two times I have tried it a) I did not like that wretched panel interface b) the bugs that constantly had me trying to get the set up right.

I think what makes me so anti at the moment is the aggressive way that this has all been done and that the support for 7 has been apparently cut back two years.

I have been using 7 for as long as it has been out and I just don't see why it is no longer any good.

Again I am sorry for wrecking your thread mate but I am not one to just lie down and take the crap. I expect the best and most out of what I pay for and I feel I am only going to get what they want me to have and also pay for the privilege.

Last thing I will post on this matter is that one only has to look at the number of members of this forum who have tried 10 and have come back to 7 and have had real issues with the back move.
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19 Apr 2016   #13
w7pro

Windows 7 Pro x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by rafa79 View Post
I myself have read on tomshardware.com forums about Windows 10 a very convincing explanation for all the forced updates; it says that what MS are trying to accomplish with this is, in the end, to improve their new OS which will be their last OS(in terms of name anyway) by making sure every user gets updated and have their Windows 10 improved upon.
I don't believe this one bit. Are you suggesting that Microsoft does care to improve their OS? The user experience went downhill after Windows XP. And it's getting worse with each new version. Microsoft is trying to get everyone on Win10 because data mining and advertising will make them more money than Win7 users. Simple as that.
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19 Apr 2016   #14
rafa79

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by w7pro View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by rafa79 View Post
I myself have read on tomshardware.com forums about Windows 10 a very convincing explanation for all the forced updates; it says that what MS are trying to accomplish with this is, in the end, to improve their new OS which will be their last OS(in terms of name anyway) by making sure every user gets updated and have their Windows 10 improved upon.
I don't believe this one bit. Are you suggesting that Microsoft does care to improve their OS? The user experience went downhill after Windows XP. And it's getting worse with each new version. Microsoft is trying to get everyone on Win10 because data mining and advertising will make them more money than Win7 users. Simple as that.
I too believe MS are trying to make more money out of Windows 10, but then why wouldn't they be doing so??
They're not Linux, they're not a non-profit organization, right? So why not take the opportunity to make more money out of it??

That though, doesn't discount the fact that they're also trying to make a better OS by using our personal information. They're not gonna read or care about every single message sent or received on my system are they? To me, they're simply using all the info they can to improve our experience with their new OS and why not, make some more money out of it? After all they're Microsoft, not save the whales or something.
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19 Apr 2016   #15
ICIT2LOL

Desk1 7 Home Prem / Desk2 10 Pro / Main lap Asus ROG 10 Pro 2 laptop Toshiba 7 Pro Asus P2520 7 & 10
 
 

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That though, doesn't discount the fact that they're also trying to make a better OS by using our personal information.
So in essence rafa you agree to work for nothing?? especially if it is your intellectual property so to speak?? For example if you came up with a brilliant idea that would improve their system and was just discussing this with say a friend or in a blog and good old Microsoft gets hold of it and improve their system - then you have just given your ideas away for nothing for however it improves their system. That would be a real feelgood situation at least for me.

I think you are set on using 10 and good luck to you but as I said there are plenty who have had multiple problems trying to get back to 7 when they find they don't like 10.
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19 Apr 2016   #16
strollin

W10 Pro desktop, W10 laptop, W10 laptop, W10 Pro tablet (all 64-bit)
 
 

I think the only people that have a valid gripe regarding Win 10's data collection are those with a very low data cap from their isp.

The data that is collected isn't personal in nature as MS is not interested in you personally. The data they collect is for statistical purposes. Do you really think MS would put time and effort into reading the personal emails you sent to your mistress or whatever? We're talking about billions of records, way too much data for someone at MS to ever even look at a single record. They want to know what errors are being encountered, what programs were being run, what hardware/drivers were in place, what time of the day, etc... Analyzing this data and looking for patterns could lead to a more stable OS in the long run.

IMO. since MS is giving away Win 10, it makes sense for them to say, "We give you this software for free and, in exchange, you allow us to collect data." Maybe MS should do something like they did a couple years back where they had Win 8 with Bing that was less expensive. They could sell Win 10 with Data for a lower price (free?) but then charge more for a version where the user can completely opt out of the data collection.
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19 Apr 2016   #17
rafa79

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by strollin View Post
I think the only people that have a valid gripe regarding Win 10's data collection are those with a very low data cap from their isp.

The data that is collected isn't personal in nature as MS is not interested in you personally. The data they collect is for statistical purposes. Do you really think MS would put time and effort into reading the personal emails you sent to your mistress or whatever? We're talking about billions of records, way too much data for someone at MS to ever even look at a single record. They want to know what errors are being encountered, what programs were being run, what hardware/drivers were in place, what time of the day, etc... Analyzing this data and looking for patterns could lead to a more stable OS in the long run.

IMO. since MS is giving away Win 10, it makes sense for them to say, "We give you this software for free and, in exchange, you allow us to collect data."
I couldn't agree more with you. That's what I was referring to when I said I don't mind MS using our personal info, I meant the way we use it and the results we obtain or not and how. In my book at least, that's a more than valid way for MS to make a better OS than ever.

I'm not "bent on using Windows 10", but I do, as I stated in my first post prefer modern stuff over older ones. And I approve of what MS are doing. That said, I do still prefer Windows 7's design, I think it's better looking than any other OS while being practical at the same time.
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19 Apr 2016   #18
cornemuse

Windows 7 Home Premium bit
 
 

"Windows 7 vs Windows 10: which do you find the best? Why?"

I would have phrased it a bit differently, "Which is the lesser of the two evils?"

To get rid of 10, (completely), I had to reinstall 7, then, back to XP, , ,

-c-
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19 Apr 2016   #19
rafa79

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by cornemuse View Post
"Windows 7 vs Windows 10: which do you find the best? Why?"

I would have phrased it a bit differently, "Which is the lesser of the two evils?"

To get rid of 10, (completely), I had to reinstall 7, then, back to XP, , ,

-c-
As with most of the previous Os's, it's simply a matter of time before 10 overtakes 7. Not only because in about a year and half at most it'll be a better OS but also because MS will cut Windows 7's support altogether in 2020. Then all we'll have available will be 8.1 and 10, and 8.1, as statistics will tell you, was and still is a complete failure when it comes to popularity.
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19 Apr 2016   #20
ICIT2LOL

Desk1 7 Home Prem / Desk2 10 Pro / Main lap Asus ROG 10 Pro 2 laptop Toshiba 7 Pro Asus P2520 7 & 10
 
 

Ok so my hobby horse re 10 taking data at will - is going to make 10 a better system?

If so can someone tell me in non jargonistic and plain language then how because as I stated before when I did install 10 on two machines one would work at a reasonably slow pace because I found it so difficult to navigate to the simple things like Computer and Control Panel and the second machine froze solid and I had to to go back and reinstall 7.

Derek our moderator told me earlier that I keep coming back with stuff that I have seen that is rubbish re 10 but surely every article/link criticising 10 by the sheer weight of what is put out cannot be wrong about everything it states?
For an example that video I linked/watched please correct me if I am wrong but it seemed to me to be taken from an installation that fellow was running with the screenshots of 10 while he was running the 10 system or was he showing some cleverly made up mock up of a 10 installation.

I know that 10 will overtake 7 in a while and I think I saw it quoted maybe even by 2018 and that to me will be a very sad day.

They say money is the root of all evil and well is that just a fact
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