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Windows 7: ANN: Classic Shell 0.9.8 -now with skinnable start menu

05 Jan 2010   #11

win 7

Wow - that is really very nice!
I wish I knew how to program like that.

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05 Jan 2010   #12


To Ivo, still been using the additional explorer buttons and so far the program is quite stable with no crashes, even with Actual Window Manager installed. One quick request, can you add a refresh button to the toolbar in the next release please?

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05 Jan 2010   #13

Windows 7 Home 64, Vista Ultimate 64

You are the second person to ask for a "Refresh" button. But there is one already in Explorer. It is at the right end of the address bar, just like in Internet Explorer. A toolbar button will not be more convenient.

Edit: I haven't had the need to press Refresh ever (on Vista). Explorer refreshes itself every time there is any change to the file system. I tried even changes accross the network on a Win2000 machine, and it still catches them. Can you give a specific scenario when Explorer doesn't auto-refresh for you?
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05 Jan 2010   #14


I see the refresh button now. I have never used Vista/7 explorer like XP (and before) file manager so to this day I am still in the habit of using the toolbar buttons.
On somewhat rare occasions when I copy lots of files or large file sizes or folders, empty icons or folders are left in the folder and disappear upon refreshing. That is the only case I can think of.

I am also trying to think of other useful buttons to about undo? select all/invert selection?
CopyTo, MoveTo?
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06 Jan 2010   #15

Windows 7 Home 64, Vista Ultimate 64

Undo is problematic because it is tricky to get right. If you notice, the Undo command in the Edit menu gets disabled when there's nothing to undo, and also changes text depending on the action that can be undone. Not all operations are undoable, and without this text you may think you are undoing one thing, but it is in fact something else.
All that is internal information for Explorer and there is no known way of getting it.

Select all/invert is probably possible, but I don't see a suitable icon for such buttons in shell32.dll. What would the icons look like anyway?

CopyTo/MoveTo - I hate how those work. They are very cumbersome and for the past 15 years of using Windows I can't remember a single time I've used them. Drag/drop or copy/paste are so much easier. And of course there's the problem with the missing icons.
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06 Jan 2010   #16



I know next to nothing about programming so I didn't realize incorporating and "undo" buttton would be so difficult.

I occasionally use copy to/move to functions and apparently some people do otherwise that tweak to add it back to the explorer right click menu wouldn't be so widespread and popular. But you are right, drag/drop and copy paste is more direct. I however use select all quite frequently. I downloaded a context menu shell extension from crashcoursesoftware which includes icons but they are dated to Win95 era.

You might try looking for icons at QuizoApps: QTTabBar in the plugins section. The first plugin adds adds explorer copy, cut, paste, etc. functionality to the toolbar. QTTabBar was a nice program but never updated and the author has apparently abandoned this project. I am hoping your Classic Shell program will eventually replace QTTabBar.

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11 Jan 2010   #17

ivo 2 microsoft 0 (gui own goal)

brilliant brilliant brilliant
thankyou for restoring sanity

> > warning - there now follows a bit of a usability rant < <

I can live with the W7 start bar after a while spent bashing it into submission (my Vista machine has XP settings applied anyway)
..but the Explorer 'missing features' is totally unacceptable behaviour from Microsoft

up button
control click to open a new window
its essential for those of us who use it fifty times a day
-sure, add the breadcrumb as an extra but dont *remove* functionality
(next if I could get rid of the Burn button and get the two tool bars in one line it would be heaven)

and I am heartily sick of the "it's great, now accept it and move on"

Ivo, you must be a design and function purist (so I thought you must be British...!)
many thanks

(now all I have to do is get Outlook Express back (oh, I can't, that's right) or get used to Thunderbird -Windows live mail is garbage if you have many email accounts but want them integrated to one set of organised folders)

Msoft are forever forgetting the people who use their PCs for work every day
They think its a fun machine for playing games and making home movies..

oh yes I also hate the stupid outline box that's added when you click a desktop icon in W7.. and even Firefox have copied that so the history icon gets a border when I click it - well, you know, I can see the history bar I dont need the icon to change

and file times to the second in list view please MSoft (or just give us an option to swtich it on - look there's many different types of user Microsoft - give us tweaks where we can do what we want)

these arent requests to you Ivo - just pointers to the dumbness of Microsoft

rant over? I doubt it..
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12 Jan 2010   #18

Windows 7

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by cretaceous View Post
now all I have to do is get Outlook Express back - Windows live mail is garbage
But you can use "Windows Mail" - known from Vista. It's in folder "C:\Programs\Windows Mail\". But it is a little bit difficult to reanimate this in Windows 7.

Search the Internet for:
enable "Windows Mail" "Windows 7"
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12 Jan 2010   #19

classic shell is the boss

Hi Konst.. well I didn't know that - many thanks
I have done many searches on email and windows 7 but that never showed up
I shall install Windows Mail next... (and again Microsoft shoots itself in the foot)

So now I just installed Classic Shell on my Win7 pc (I did the Vista PC before) - and I thought I may as well have the classic start bar as well..
and it's just so much better - everything is in one place - all programs are in one list SO I KNOW WHERE TO FIND THEM INSTANTLY (ARE YOU LISTENING MICROSOFT?)

really, this is basic usability stuff - put the controls where the user can find them and don't split things unnecessarily
so I don't have the search program box instantly to hand - wow, that's not a big loss

after installing and getting it set up (in the two minutes it took) I got this big calm relieved feeling that you usually only get after making lurrve

[as an ex Mac user from long ago I found a number of the OSX features equally annoying so, no, I don't want to use a Mac or have vile expanding icon bars]

now, more clarifaction on why the UP button is so much better
lets say you are a web developer (I am) and I am in a folder where my javascript lives - I want to go to my website root which I know is two folders above, so all I want to do is whack the mouse to the up button, click twice and I'm there
I have a lot of other stuff in my head as I'm coding and answering a phone call, so I do not want to read, semantically process, guide mouse to required folder name and click .. all I want is click, click, done
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14 Jan 2010   #20
Greg S

Windows 7 Professional 32-bit (6.1, Build 7600)

Part of classic shell is not working properly for me anymore. It's the stausbar part of it. Sometimes it works, then it stops working. I've tried the repair option from the installer but get a error about not being able to access a tmp file in my user folder. Any Ideas? Do I need to get the latest version? I'm using the version prior to your last update. I'm not interested in the start menu stuff, just the toolbar, statusbar and copy.
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