| Windows 7: Which bios version - Windows or DOS - to use for updating? |
28 Apr 2011
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Which bios version - Windows or DOS - to use for updating? Dell has released a new bios version A06 for my laptop M101z (Inspiron 1120). The Windows version is 2.7MB whlle the DOS version is 1.7 MB.
The flashing procedure is the same for both. Click on the .exe file, extract it to C:\DELL\DRIVERS\R300552, In the START>RUN text box type C:\DELL\DRIVERS\R300552 and press ENTER.
What is the difference between the Windows version and the DOS version as the install/flash procedure is the same?
Which one should I use for flashing the bios? | My System Specs |
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28 Apr 2011
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Windows based .exe's have a higher rate of causing a bad flash, mostly due to some sanfu while the OS is running.
That's why the Dos version is generally considered a safer way to flash. Less potential conflicts.
Win based ones are fine when they work, but as mentioned above, there is simply a higher level of risk. | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number SmartEyeball Custom Systems OS 8 Pro x64 CPU i7 3770K 4.6GHz Motherboard ASUS P8Z77 WS (great board good slot placement) Memory 16GB G.Skill Trident X 2400mhz Graphics Card 2x Gigabyte GTX 670 OC WindForce SLI Sound Card X-FI Forte 7.1 + ATH-AD900 Headphones Monitor(s) Displays x3 Dell U2410 / 58" Samsung / "40 Sony Screen Resolution 1920*1200 / 1920*1080 Keyboard Topre Realforce // Ducky Shine MX Black // Filco Ninja TKL Mouse Razer Imperator + Thermaltake Theron PSU Corsair AX1200W Case Thermaltake Level 10 GT Snow Edition Cooling Noctua NH-D14 Hard Drives 2x Intel 520 240GB (RAID 0) * 2x WD Caviar Blacks 2TB (RAID 0) * 2TB WD Caviar Black Antivirus MSE Browser Opera, Chrome, FF Other Info GT Extreme V2 Sim Racing Cockpit + 40" LCD and K/B Mouse stand ▼
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28 Apr 2011
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Ya, I understand that.
I have two Zotac Mini PCs. Zotac also gives two versions of the bios one to run from within Windows and the other one is the DOS version.
Having read many users turning their Mini PCs into bricks by trying to flash from within Windows (Windows version), I used the DOS version. I used a flash drive to boot Free DOS and used the command line to run the bios file that I had copied to the flash drive.
But in the Dell case, there is no such requirement to run the DOS version. Both the Windows and DOS version seem to run from within Windows as per the install procedure indicated by Dell. Start>run blah blah.
Hence the confusion. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number self-assembled OS Windows 7 Ultimate 32bit CPU AMD Phenom II X3 720 Processor Motherboard Gigabyte GA-MA78GM-S2H Revision 1.0 Memory Transcend DDR2 (PC2 6400) 4 X 1GB Graphics Card Integrated + ATI Radeon 4550 Sound Card Integrated Realtek ALC 889A Monitor(s) Displays DELL 1704 FPT Screen Resolution 1280 x 1024 Keyboard Microsoft - wired Mouse Microsoft - wired PSU Coolermaster 400 W Case Zebronics Cube Cooling stock Hard Drives Western Digital Caviar SE16 250 GB x2 in RAID 0 Internet Speed ADSL 256-512Kbps |
29 Apr 2011
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do you really need to update the bios?
does it fix a particular problem that you are experiencing?
if not, it's sensible to just leave it, as there is a risk that something will go horribly wrong. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number mickey megabyte 1234 OS ultimate 64 sp1 CPU i5 2500K 3.3@4.2GHz Motherboard MSI P67A-GD53 Memory 8 gigs GSkill Ripjaws 1600 Graphics Card amd hd6950 Sound Card creative x-fi gamer Monitor(s) Displays samsung 24" Screen Resolution 1920x1080 Keyboard saitek eclipse ii Mouse logitech g3 PSU antec 550 Case antec three hundred Cooling i'm a cooling fan Hard Drives ocz vertex 2e 60 gig, samsung f3 1tb, buffalo 2tb ext Internet Speed about 4 Mbps Other Info i love win7 |
29 Apr 2011
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#5 | | Windows 7 Ultimate AMD64 Sydney, Nova Scotia |
There may be a third option that could be even safer? My ASUS motherboards have the flash routine built into the BIOS as a menu option. I just boot up into the BIOS menu and point it to the bin file. No need for bootable DOS media at all. | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Home Built OS Windows 7 Ultimate AMD64 CPU AMD Phenom II X4 980 Black Edition Deneb 3.7GHz Motherboard Asus M4N68T-M V2 µATX Motherboard Memory 8GB 4GBx2 Kingston PC10600 DDR3 1333 Memory Graphics Card BFG NVIDIA Geforce 220GT 1 Gig DDR2 PCIe Sound Card VIA VT1708s High Definition Audio 8-channel Onboard Monitor(s) Displays 2 x 19" I-INC AG191D TFT Flat Panel Screen Resolution 1280x1024 x 2 Keyboard Logitech Internet 600 Mouse Logitech Wireless Trackman Wheel PSU Retail Plus 465 Watt Case Power Up Black ATX Mid-Tower Case Cooling Stock heatsink and fan Hard Drives 500 Gig WesternDigital SATA-300 Drive Internet Speed 80 Mbps Down 30 Mbps Up Antivirus Microsoft Security Essentials Browser Internet Explorer 10 Other Info HP DVD1040e Lightscribe - External USB2 |
29 Apr 2011
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#6 | | Windows 7 x64 pro/ Windows 7 x86 Pro/ XP SP3 x86 |
The bigger file is the windows flashing version that contains the winphlash utility. If you download it and double click, it'll extract to a folder called "C:\dell\drivers\R300552", then launch winphlash. Winphlash has a nice gui.
The smaller bios version of the bios update, when double clicked will also extract itself but to a folder called "C:\dell\drivers\R300550". It'll not launch winphlash because theres none in it. I think there are 2 options- one dump all the files in that folder to a bootable usb stick, then boot from that stick and launch the bios flashing .exe. Second, just double clicking on the exe in that folder will launch a dos window and let you flash inside windows.
Theres no harm in just using winphlash, its a pretty sturdy thing. Just make sure you have no other apps open at the same time and the computer is connected to the power mains. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Too many to describe... OS Windows 7 x64 pro/ Windows 7 x86 Pro/ XP SP3 x86 |
29 Apr 2011
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#7 | | Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1 Philadelphia, PA |
I have done hundreds of Dell BIOS updates using their Windows versions. I've never had an issue.
To correct a comment smarteyeball said, at least with Dell, the BIOS update is done in DOS as well. The Windows utility just preps the file, asks for confirmation, and then reboots the system to update. | My System Specs | | OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1 CPU Intel Core i7-2600 Motherboard Gigabyte GA-P67A-UD3P-B3 Memory 12 GB Patriot Extreme DDR3-1333 Graphics Card Nvidia GTX 470 Monitor(s) Displays Dell UltraSharp 2209WA PSU OCZ ModStream 700W Case CoolerMaster HAF 912 Advanced Cooling CoolerMaster Hyper 212 Plus Hard Drives OCZ Agility3 240 GB, WD5001AALS, WD7501AALS |
29 Apr 2011
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#8 | | |

Quote: Originally Posted by mickey megabyte do you really need to update the bios?
does it fix a particular problem that you are experiencing?
if not, it's sensible to just leave it, as there is a risk that something will go horribly wrong. I habitually update the bios on all my PCs after going through the fixes and enhancements.
One should also appreciate the fact that a release version of the bios for any new motherboard may contain a lot of bugs. One would find frequent updates to the release version till most of the bugs are fixed. Thereafter the updates become less frequent to address specific issues faced with new hardware (recently introduced processor class as well as other hardware etc.). While one may ignore these later updates, if they are not of any concern to him, my advice to anybody will be to update the bios that come frequently after a release version to remove the many bugs.
The flashing when done with due diligence is no more risky than flying from India to U.S.A.
Turning to this specific instance, the level of importance is flagged as "Urgent" with the following fixes and enhancements: 1. Modify computrace behavior to meet spec. 2. Modify SMBIOS type10 to fix normal memory DIMM shown as ECC. 
Quote: Originally Posted by alphanumeric There may be a third option that could be even safer? My ASUS motherboards have the flash routine built into the BIOS as a menu option. I just boot up into the BIOS menu and point it to the bin file. No need for bootable DOS media at all.  Ya, most motherboard manufacturers like ASUS and Gigabyte provide a flashing utility that can be invoked from the bios and run as per the instructions provided by them. In most cases one can run it from a pendrive. The Dell lappy has no such utility in the bios. 
Quote: Originally Posted by Bill2 The bigger file is the windows flashing version that contains the winphlash utility. If you download it and double click, it'll extract to a folder called "C:\dell\drivers\R300552", then launch winphlash. Winphlash has a nice gui.
The smaller bios version of the bios update, when double clicked will also extract itself but to a folder called "C:\dell\drivers\R300550". It'll not launch winphlash because theres none in it. I think there are 2 options- one dump all the files in that folder to a bootable usb stick, then boot from that stick and launch the bios flashing .exe. Second, just double clicking on the exe in that folder will launch a dos window and let you flash inside windows.
Theres no harm in just using winphlash, its a pretty sturdy thing. Just make sure you have no other apps open at the same time and the computer is connected to the power mains. Thanks for understanding my concerns and for the unambiguous, precise, detailed and to the point clarifications.
In effect it means that one is a GUI based utility with some user interaction while the other is what can be called a "silent mode" where one just clicks and watches.  . Both run from within Windows. 
Quote: Originally Posted by DeaconFrost I have done hundreds of Dell BIOS updates using their Windows versions. I've never had an issue.
To correct a comment smarteyeball said, at least with Dell, the BIOS update is done in DOS as well. The Windows utility just preps the file, asks for confirmation, and then reboots the system to update. Thanks. Your experience bolsters my confidence. While I had flashed umpteen times on my custom-built PCs, I was a little bit hesitant on doing it on this new Dell Lappie where I can't put my hands in  and depend upon Dell. Bill2's clarification and your experience resolves the issue.
I shall go with the GUI version.
Hmmm... Wouldn't it have been better if Dell had called them as a GUI version and Silent Mode version and given a bit of explanation?
Last edited by Ponmayilal; 30 Apr 2011 at 12:20 AM..
Reason: Typos corrected
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29 Apr 2011
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#9 | | Windows 7 Ultimate X64 SP1 Mt. Crumpit/Whoville |
One should not flash BIOS unless there is a fix or update for a specific problem. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. In my practice I don't flash BIOS because a "newer better" one was released, learned my lesson. On one occasion I flashed BIOS and my HDD activity light remained on constantly.
I recently flashed my own BIOS so my board will support the newer AMD 6 core CPU. I did save a copy of the original first however. In this case it was for a hardware support upgrade, no other changes. In this case it was a good move becuase it also allowed me to overclock my RAM a bit more.
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29 Apr 2011
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#10 | | Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1 Philadelphia, PA |
I would agree with Britton30's advice for a home-built custom system, just because there is a myriad of hardware configs, and surely the board maker couldn't test each and every one.
With an OEM system, like a Dell laptop, those BIOS updates are tested quite a bit, at least with Dell and HP. Those you can update when you see a new file, and the OEM's usually recommend it, as the BIOS update is to correct a potential issue. A laptop isn't going to get new hardware, such as a video card that wasn't available when it was designed...so those updates involve fixes, and are often well-documented so you can easily see what the update addresses. | My System Specs | | OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1 CPU Intel Core i7-2600 Motherboard Gigabyte GA-P67A-UD3P-B3 Memory 12 GB Patriot Extreme DDR3-1333 Graphics Card Nvidia GTX 470 Monitor(s) Displays Dell UltraSharp 2209WA PSU OCZ ModStream 700W Case CoolerMaster HAF 912 Advanced Cooling CoolerMaster Hyper 212 Plus Hard Drives OCZ Agility3 240 GB, WD5001AALS, WD7501AALS Which bios version - Windows or DOS - to use for updating? problems? All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:11 PM. | |