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18 Feb 2009   #31
darkassain

Windows 7 Ult x64(x2), HomePrem x32(x4), Server 08 (+VM), 08 R2 (VM) , SuSe 11.2 (VM), XP 32 (VM)
 
 

hello Night Hawk
i dont know if you can but can use ICS or find a router thats compatible and use a usb WiFi adapter
or
if your computer (the non testing one) has a RJ45 port you can get a regular router and like i said use a WiFi adapter and setup ICS
the only drawback is that the computer that is doing ICS has to be on as its acting as a hub so your other computer can connect...


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18 Feb 2009   #32
baarod

El Capitan / Windows 10
 
 

It's a vintage 2002 HomePNA adapter that's been orphaned by it's manufacturer since XP. The technology is dead after having been supplanted by cheap WiFi.

Just update your hardware -- it's really cheap and realistically about 10 times faster (Home PNA was never very fast) -- examples

for desktop: Newegg.com - Rosewill RNX-G300LX IEEE 802.11b/g PCI Wireless Card Up to 54Mbps Data Rates 64/128-Bit WEP, 802.1x, WPA, WPA2, AES, TKIP with 2 dBi Antenna - Wireless Adapters

for laptop: Newegg.com - Rosewill RNX-EasyN1 IEEE 802.11b/g/n USB 2.0 Wireless-N 4.0 Dongle (1T1R) Up to 150Mbps Data Rates WPA/WPA2 (AES, 64,128-WEP with shared-key authentication) WPS PIN, PBC (Hardware WPS Button) QoS-WMM -

router for ethernet equipped devices: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16833127079

So, depending on how many devices you've got to hook up, could be all of $35 delivered.
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18 Feb 2009   #33
Night Hawk

W7 Ultimate x64/W10 Pro x64 dual boot main build-remote pc W10 Pro x64 Insider Preview/W7 Pro x64
 
 

The problem is that the HPna hub is also RJ-11 with the older type nik card going to the standard phone jack set up as the dedicate line. The hard wiring out to each sub system goes to the same type of jack.

WiFi is out here. One of the WiFi routers the ISP sent out saw RJ-45 and simply not usable on the original setup. The signal dropoffs would have been a continuing problem since each sub system is setup a good distance from where the router would be placed.
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18 Feb 2009   #34
baarod

El Capitan / Windows 10
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Night Hawk View Post
The problem is that the HPna hub is also RJ-11 with the older type nik card going to the standard phone jack set up as the dedicate line. The hard wiring out to each sub system goes to the same type of jack.

WiFi is out here. One of the WiFi routers the ISP sent out saw RJ-45 and simply not usable on the original setup. The signal dropoffs would have been a continuing problem since each sub system is setup a good distance from where the router would be placed.
I understand that HomePNA uses RJ-11 jacks and POTS (plain old telephone service) wiring. It's designed to re-use existing home telephone wiring rather than the dedicated lines you're reporting. Unfortunately HomePNA as a technology is effectively dead having been supplanted by WiFi in virtually every application. According to support postings I came across, 2Wire, your HomePNA hardware vendor, will not publish drivers for products it has deemed "end-of-life" since 2002.

Your solution would be to go the way that technology is going and replace the 2Wire hardware with 802.11g/n hardware. I posted some very inexpensive examples above. If your hub machine does not have an RJ-45 ethernet jack one can be acquired for as little as $6 but consider going WiFi with that machine as well.

The router hardware I gave an example of above is self contained i.e. it does not rely on a computer to serve as a "hub". It sounds like your ISP offered you a compatible WiFi router unit, leaving you only to pick up an inexpensive WiFi adapater for each of the computers currently attached to your HomePNA network.

How many computers are we talking about here and how far apart are they? I've got a neighbor over a city block away whose WiFi signal I can pick up wth my laptop here. Perhaps the distance limitation you are referring to was perceived using older 802.11a/b hardware? I guess the bottom line here is that you'd have to have an incredibly large house for 802.11g WiFi not to cover.
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18 Feb 2009   #35
Night Hawk

W7 Ultimate x64/W10 Pro x64 dual boot main build-remote pc W10 Pro x64 Insider Preview/W7 Pro x64
 
 

The one idea and possible solution here would be finding a router that will plug into the 11 jack even with an adapter that would work with a usb type wifi card that could be installed on this case alone.

The usb WiFi option not pci type with the expansion slots already in use was the thought while still being supported by 2Wire. 2Wire.com: Support The page there shows XP Pro 64 as well as Vista 64 support.

For items not provided by the ISP here a custom setup with a usb adapter like the one seen at Newegg.com - D-Link WUA-2340 IEEE 802.11b/g USB 2.0 RangeBooster G Adapter Up to 108Mbps Data Rates 64/128-Bit WEP, WPA - Wireless Adapters for the case itself is one idea for substitution. A compatible WiFi router like the one you were showing there along with the RJ-11 to 45 adapter would be workable provided the router itself can work inline with the ISP provided hub there.

Unfortunately I'm not the one with the account presently to make any upgrade decisions other then adding something additional onto the existing connection. That's how the landlord had things set up.
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18 Feb 2009   #36
darkassain

Windows 7 Ult x64(x2), HomePrem x32(x4), Server 08 (+VM), 08 R2 (VM) , SuSe 11.2 (VM), XP 32 (VM)
 
 

something along the lines of this
Billion Home Networking Wireless ADSL2+ Router Series - HomePNA 3.0 ADSL2+ Routers over Coax, HomePNA 3.0 ADSL2+ Router over phone line

or this?
[ame=http://www.amazon.com/Linksys-HPRO200-HomeLink-Phoneline-Router/dp/B00005JJEO]Amazon.com: Linksys HPRO200 HomeLink Phoneline 10M Cable/DSL Router: Electronics[/ame]
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18 Feb 2009   #37
Night Hawk

W7 Ultimate x64/W10 Pro x64 dual boot main build-remote pc W10 Pro x64 Insider Preview/W7 Pro x64
 
 

Since I generally order through newegg often I came across one wireless deal including a usb adapter but wouldn't be placing the order until after the special is over. Newegg.com - LINKSYS WRT160N IEEE 802.3/3u, IEEE 802.11b/g, IEEE802.11n Draft Ultra RangePlus Wireless-N Broadband Router - Wireless Routers

The first usb adapter looks good for other reasons since that's the size of a typical usb flash drive and would temporarily setting up other cases to work on with unplugping and replugging the one extra item now seen with the present 2Wire setup.

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18 Feb 2009   #38
baarod

El Capitan / Windows 10
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Night Hawk View Post
The one idea and possible solution here would be finding a router that will plug into the 11 jack even with an adapter that would work with a usb type wifi card that could be installed on this case alone.
Does your internet connection depend on this HomePNA networking? You mentioned a landlord -- does the building you are living in provide internet access to you via the phone lines? If so we can work with that! There are HomePNA RJ-11 to ethernet RJ-45 adapters to be had that can bridge the gap between what is provided to you and what you control.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Night Hawk View Post
The usb WiFi option not pci type with the expansion slots already in use was the thought while still being supported by 2Wire. 2Wire.com: Support The page there shows XP Pro 64 as well as Vista 64 support.
So what I'm getting from that is 1) you have no available PCI slots so USB is the way to go and 2) 2Wire webmasters suck Unfortunately, the way that 2Wire setup their website, the URL you posted a link to is wrong. You've got to really fool with the site to make it cough up a real link.

Just so we're "on the same page" is this: http://www.2wire.com/pages/driversan...ort.php?did=12 the hardware you have? Are there other units that I'm missing? You were talking about a some kind of "hub" that the ISP provided?

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Night Hawk View Post
For items not provided by the ISP here a custom setup with a usb adapter like the one seen at Newegg.com - D-Link WUA-2340 IEEE 802.11b/g USB 2.0 RangeBooster G Adapter Up to 108Mbps Data Rates 64/128-Bit WEP, WPA - Wireless Adapters for the case itself is one idea for substitution. A compatible WiFi router like the one you were showing there along with the RJ-11 to 45 adapter would be workable provided the router itself can work inline with the ISP provided hub there.
So, again, how many computers do you need to connect? One? Two? I'm starting to see a picture like this in my head:

-diagram1.jpg

Is that about how you see it too?


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18 Feb 2009   #39
baarod

El Capitan / Windows 10
 
 

I think those would be perfect if they were oriented backward -- seems to me that he's getting his internet access over HomePNA and needs to bridge it to something usable like WiFi or ethernet. Those boxen seem to bridge DSL or whatnot to HomePNA. We'll have to see if my diagram is close to what he's talking about.
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18 Feb 2009   #40
Night Hawk

W7 Ultimate x64/W10 Pro x64 dual boot main build-remote pc W10 Pro x64 Insider Preview/W7 Pro x64
 
 

The diagram is slightly off while you have the adapter selection page correct for the download options. The host pc uses a nik card not a usb adapter there going direct to the dedicated phone line as best put. That's where the HPna software is installed with the line coming into the card and out to the hub.

The usb adapter is used on all satelite systems connecting to the hub by way of the hard wiring out to each wall outlet with the RJ-11 input. From the outlet out to the individual system that's where the 11 to usb adapter plays the role.

A newer hub was looked over some time back but saw the RJ-45 type connectors requiring a heavier ethernet cabling along with the larger plug. The landlord doesn't want the hard wiring torn up and replaced being content to continue on with XP for the basics mainly.

Until replacing the current pci type sound card with a PCIe type or going with a usb type tv tuner/video capture device the two pci slots are taken up leaving the usb option open since that's already seeing the connection there. The host pc is simply connected directly to a separate phone line originally used for a small business by the previous owner.

One Possible Solution:

UsbGear seems to offer a usb ethernet adapter that does seen XP and Vsta 64bit support. USB 2.0 to 10/100 Mbps Fast Ethernet Adapter. (Backwards compatible to USB 1.1) USBG-UE200 LOW PRICE $26.99



Ordered two and neither one worked! The led that lights up when plugged into an active usb port as seen with the 2wire node on both remained dark. While those are being returned a wireless router/usb adapter is being looked at since that offers 64bit and Linux! support as well.

Good Grief! Even a wireless router with 64bit drivers fails to connect! The closest thing to a dsl router to see 64bit support is one for cable seen at PROVANTAGE: ZyXEL NBG334WKIT NBG334W Dual SSID Wireless Router + G202 USB Adapter

That won't detect the other router's IP there despite all attempts. But hopefully in the next few months cable will be replacing the antiquated dsl setup!
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