| Windows 7: should I build my own gaming rig or buy one pre built? |
29 Jun 2011
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#21 | | windows 7 home premium x64 |
But I think I'll stick with the fan that came with the rig that i'm going to buy as i'm not going to overclock it or any of that advanced stuff that could burn the hell out of the cpu. | My System Specs |
| OS windows 7 home premium x64 CPU AMD FX-4100 quad core Motherboard MSI A75MA-G55 Mobo Memory Corsair 8GB (2x 4GB) Graphics Card GTX 550ti Monitor(s) Displays 1 ASUS 3D ready monitor Screen Resolution 1080p PSU 650 watt psu Case CoolerMaster Haf-912 mid-tower Hard Drives Seagate 1TB HDD |
29 Jun 2011
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#22 | | Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit Southern Ohio |

Quote: Originally Posted by randomgibberish 
Quote: Originally Posted by pparks1 
Quote: Originally Posted by xarden But the user wants an i9, which suggests he doesnt want to go low-end. I read this differently. I thought he was trying to keep this gaming box price under $600 as he was trying to pinch pennies to keep money for an eventual Core i9. Besides, what's a core i9? Perhaps he meant, Core i7-990X....which in and of itself is $1,000.
yes that's my fault for kinda being stupid saying I want a 600 dollar computer with an i9 but yes intel does make the i9 processor let me explain: It's a lot like the Core i7, except built with a 32nm fabrication process and two extra cores for a total of six meaning it's a hexacore.
There are no i9s as far as Im aware.
Unless Im mistaken, these were renamed to the i7-990X.
The next HexaCore will be the SandyBridge Extreme, scheduled at the end of the year.
In either case, the Intel Hexacores are not Budget CPUs by any means. Your looking at around $1,000USD, and thats just for the CPU.
If you really have need for that many cores, AMD would be a better choice for a Hexacore, to fit into a budget.
However, you must also keep 2 things in mind.
1) Current Quad Core SB CPUs can still outperform it, even though they are 2 cores short, and are about the same price.
2) That many cores will not really help much with gaming currently.
Hexacores really only have a benefit with apps that are specifically designed to use that many threads, or you do alot of heavy multi-tasking.
And even at that, the SB Quads can still hold thier own, and even outperform them.
Unless things change, ATM a Quad core Intel SB is your best bet for most everything, including gaming.
But, it may also be worth seeing what AMD does with Bulldozer. Bulldozer very well may change all of this. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Custom (Self Build) OS Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit CPU Intel Core i7 2700k Motherboard eVGA P67 SLI Memory 8GB Mushkin Redline Ridgebacks @1866 Graphics Card EVGA GTX570 SC Sound Card XiFi Titanium HD Monitor(s) Displays LG W2453V Screen Resolution 1920x1080 Keyboard Saitek Cyborg PSU Seasonic x750 Case Corsair 600T SE White Cooling eVGA Superclocked CPU Cooler Hard Drives Intel 320 80GB -- Intel X25-V 40GB --WD Black 1TB x2 -- WD Blue 640GB Antivirus Kaspersky Browser IE Other Info LG BD/DVD |
29 Jun 2011
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#23 | | Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1 Hampton VA |

Quote: Originally Posted by Wishmaster There are no i9s as far as Im aware.
Unless Im mistaken, these were renamed to the i7-990X.
The next HexaCore will be the SandyBridge Extreme, scheduled at the end of the year. That's basically it. Intel was going to name the 980/990 an i9 but instead kept it i7 Gulftown - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia And yeah, they're the $1000 dollar chips. | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Built by me OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1 CPU Intel Core i7-950 (3.06GHz) OC to 3.8GHz Motherboard Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD5 rev 1, F6 Bios Memory 12 gig Corsair DDR3 Dominator GT Memory (3X 4GB) Graphics Card AMD Radeon HD6950 2gig (Sapphire) Sound Card X-Fi Titanium Fatality Pro Monitor(s) Displays HP ZR22w 22" LCD Monitor Screen Resolution 1920 x 1080 Keyboard Logitech Wireless Wave Mouse Logitech Performance MX PSU Antec Signature - SG-850 Case Cooler Master HAF X Cooling Noctua NH-C12P SE14 Hard Drives Primary - OCZ Vertex 4 SSD (256GB). Storage - OCZ Vertex 2 SSD (120GB) & 2TB WD Caviar Black. Internet Speed High Speed Cable Other Info Memory Timings - 1600MHz @ 8-8-8-20-1T @ 1.640 volts |
29 Jun 2011
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#24 | | |
[QUOTE=Coke Robot;1467482] 
Quote: Originally Posted by Coke Robot RAID stands for Redundant Array of Independent Disks. Basically, for people that work with servers, it's uber great because it actively backs up new data on the fly. RAID IS NOT A BACKUP, NOT A BACKUP, NOT A BACKUP. It doesn't replace a BACKUP.
It provides fault tolerance (except for RAID0). It gives you the ability to suffer a hard drive failure and keep the machine running. It should NEVER be confused with a backup. For example, if you have a RAID1 mirror and you select a folder and shift delete it, it's gone from both drives instantly. Where's the backup???? 
Quote: Originally Posted by Coke Robot RAID 0 is generally most used for gaming and hard core machines, but has the risk of losing a MUCHO amount of data if one of the drives fails. RAID 0 is the only version that offers no redundancy. RAID0 is a stripe. 2 drives act as one. A little gets written to the first disk and a little gets written to the second disk. If either fails, you lose absolutely everything. So, you actually have a greater risk of failure with RAID0 as you have 2 drives which could potentially fail.
Gamers believe it offers great performance because it increases benchmark scores. But for game play and such, this doesn't help your gaming performance. If you were doing video editing and huge file copies all day long, this is where a RAID0 stripe could really help you out.
If you truly want performance as a gamer, get an SSD drive. They too offer high sequential read speeds like RAID, but offer extremely low random access times and this is where the biggest bang for the buck is. Or get a drive like a Western Digital Velociraptor with higher spindle speeds (10,000RPM), but I would NOT ever suggest a RAID0 configuration to any gamer. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Self-Built in July 2009 OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 CPU Intel Q9550 2.83Ghz OC'd to 3.40Ghz Motherboard Gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3R rev. 1.1, F12 BIOS Memory 8GB G.Skill PI DDR2-800, 4-4-4-12 timings Graphics Card EVGA 1280MB Nvidia GeForce GTX570 Sound Card Realtek ALC899A 8 channel onboard audio Monitor(s) Displays 23" Acer x233H Screen Resolution 1920x1080 Keyboard ABS M1 Mechanical Mouse Logitech G9 Laser Mouse PSU Corsair 620HX modular Case Antec P182 Cooling stock Hard Drives Intel X25-M 80GB Gen 2 SSD
Western Digital 1TB Caviar Black, 32MB cache. WD1001FALS Internet Speed 15/2 cable modem Other Info Windows and Linux enthusiast. Logitech G35 Headset. |
29 Jun 2011
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#25 | | Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit Norfolk, VA |

Quote: Originally Posted by Coke Robot I honestly built my system with 366 dollars, that's without the monitor or case, I rebuilt that. My suggestion is to start low and go high. I'm planning to do a system upgrade here soon, and this is a year after I built it.
Well, going with Intel I can tell you right off the bat will take a BIG chunk of money, for obvious reasons. I use AMD and haven't had any regrets!
But on a side note, go with a 750 watt PSU to start off with, 500 isn't enough to support the latest NVIDIA graphics cards well... What's the deal with over-buying the PSU?? I see so many people recommend much larger than required PSU's, which can be a large chunk of the budget, and they need just a tad more than half of what they recommend.
500watts is more than enough for his setup.
My machine at full load only pulls 380watts, and I got a bunch of stuff in my machine.
Also, the parts the OP chose above are pretty decent, almost mirrors my dads machine that he uses to game with (he just has a Phenom II Quad with 4GB DDR3 and an ASUS board).
you just can't put all the fancy graphic settings to max @ 1920x1080 on the newer games like Witcher 2, FEAR 3, Crysis 2. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number HAL-9000 OS Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit CPU Intel i7 3770K Motherboard Asus Sabertooth Z77 Memory 16GB DDR3 1333 Corsair XMS3 Graphics Card XFX HD6950 2GB EyeFinity Sound Card Logitech G35 & Sennheiser PC135 & VIA HD Monitor(s) Displays 23" HP 2310e, 23" Samsung B2230, 21.5" Viewsonic Screen Resolution 5760x1080 Keyboard Logitech G15 and G13 Mouse Logitech G700 Gaming Mouse PSU Antec True Power New 650watt Case Cooler Master HAF-932 Cooling Corsair H60 Hydro Cooler, 3x 230mm Fans, 2x120mm Fan Hard Drives 16TB of Storage
128GB & 256GB Crucial M4 SSD's, 2X 1TB WD Black, 3x 2TB WD, 3x 2TB Samsung F4, 1.5TB Seagate, WD 500GB, Internet Speed 50/10 Mbit Other Info Speakers : Alesis M1 Active Mk2 Studio Monitors , APC RS 1200 UPS, HP 4500DN Color Laser, HP P1006 mono Laser, Kodak 8500 Dye-Sub, Epson 1280 inkjet, Epson Worforce 610 MFC |
29 Jun 2011
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#26 | | |

Quote: Originally Posted by Zepher What's the deal with over-buying the PSU?? I see so many people recommend much larger than required PSU's, which can be a large chunk of the budget, and they need just a tad more than half of what they recommend. It's an epidemic. It's not like you couldn't buy another one down the road if you really did expand. But having a properly sized PSU is a key to keeping the machine stable end energy efficient. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Self-Built in July 2009 OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 CPU Intel Q9550 2.83Ghz OC'd to 3.40Ghz Motherboard Gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3R rev. 1.1, F12 BIOS Memory 8GB G.Skill PI DDR2-800, 4-4-4-12 timings Graphics Card EVGA 1280MB Nvidia GeForce GTX570 Sound Card Realtek ALC899A 8 channel onboard audio Monitor(s) Displays 23" Acer x233H Screen Resolution 1920x1080 Keyboard ABS M1 Mechanical Mouse Logitech G9 Laser Mouse PSU Corsair 620HX modular Case Antec P182 Cooling stock Hard Drives Intel X25-M 80GB Gen 2 SSD
Western Digital 1TB Caviar Black, 32MB cache. WD1001FALS Internet Speed 15/2 cable modem Other Info Windows and Linux enthusiast. Logitech G35 Headset. |
29 Jun 2011
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#27 | | Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit Southern Ohio |
I just have a 650W Corasair running my machine.
And thats with everything OCd, and even a Superclocked GTX570.
Its more than enough power, and even has room to spare still.
Anything larger, IMHO, only makes sense if you are running multiple GPUs.
Or, if its a offbrand, cheap PSU then you may need a 1000W one to match a quality 500W. But thats not a route I would suggest taking.
I would agree that a 500-650W Quality PSU is more than enough power for most systems, and certainly for any single GPU system. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Custom (Self Build) OS Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit CPU Intel Core i7 2700k Motherboard eVGA P67 SLI Memory 8GB Mushkin Redline Ridgebacks @1866 Graphics Card EVGA GTX570 SC Sound Card XiFi Titanium HD Monitor(s) Displays LG W2453V Screen Resolution 1920x1080 Keyboard Saitek Cyborg PSU Seasonic x750 Case Corsair 600T SE White Cooling eVGA Superclocked CPU Cooler Hard Drives Intel 320 80GB -- Intel X25-V 40GB --WD Black 1TB x2 -- WD Blue 640GB Antivirus Kaspersky Browser IE Other Info LG BD/DVD |
29 Jun 2011
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#28 | | windows 7 ultimate 64 bit |
It's a CYA thing.....Suppose I and mouse started a video card company...Ivan's resolution internal picture ocular frame forces....the iRIPOFF....now as the owner manager, and only reliable employee, I know that the iRIPOFF's 6000 tiny monkey artists needs 250 Watts of power max...so on most normal systems a good quality 500 watt power supply will do the job....So with a big red crayon I write "use a good quality 500 watt power supply" on the box....sucker/customer buys a iRIPOFF reads the use a good quality BLAH BLAH BLAH 500 watt....so he goes out and buys a FIRESTARTER 500 that on a good day couldn't pull 300 watts.......burns down house | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number homemade OS windows 7 ultimate 64 bit CPU FX 8350@4300mhz COOLER MASTER Seidon 120M water cooler Motherboard ASRock 990FX Extreme4 AM3+ Memory 16gb Kingston HyperX DDR3 1600 Graphics Card Sapphire 5850 & XFX 5850 crossfire Monitor(s) Displays hanns g 1680X1050 Screen Resolution 1680x1050 Keyboard z merc Mouse Logitech wireless m705 PSU dual Antec 650 & Rosewill 530 watt continuous Case homemade Cooling 4 120mm@50cfm each/2 120mm@90cfm Hard Drives ADATA 256 gig SSD + 2 junk Internet Speed dsl |
29 Jun 2011
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#29 | | |

Quote: Originally Posted by Zepher 
Quote: Originally Posted by Coke Robot I honestly built my system with 366 dollars, that's without the monitor or case, I rebuilt that. My suggestion is to start low and go high. I'm planning to do a system upgrade here soon, and this is a year after I built it.
Well, going with Intel I can tell you right off the bat will take a BIG chunk of money, for obvious reasons. I use AMD and haven't had any regrets!
But on a side note, go with a 750 watt PSU to start off with, 500 isn't enough to support the latest NVIDIA graphics cards well... What's the deal with over-buying the PSU?? I see so many people recommend much larger than required PSU's, which can be a large chunk of the budget, and they need just a tad more than half of what they recommend.
500watts is more than enough for his setup.
My machine at full load only pulls 380watts, and I got a bunch of stuff in my machine.
Also, the parts the OP chose above are pretty decent, almost mirrors my dads machine that he uses to game with (he just has a Phenom II Quad with 4GB DDR3 and an ASUS board).
you just can't put all the fancy graphic settings to max @ 1920x1080 on the newer games like Witcher 2, FEAR 3, Crysis 2. Going with a higher wattage PSU is just my personal advice for a starter gaming system since if there's a chance to upgrade parts later down the road, namely the graphics cards, having a higher wattage PSU will safely let you do that without concerns of having not enough. NVIDIA cards are a bee sting with power requirements! | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number ASUS OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 CPU AMD Athlon 240 II @ 2.8-4.004 ghz Motherboard M4A78LT-M LE Memory SuperTalent 4gb DDR3 Graphics Card ATI Radeon 3000HD Screen Resolution 1440*900 Case Re-modded Dell Dimension 4550 Cooling Vantec 92mm Tornado x2 Other Info It looks pretty. |
29 Jun 2011
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#30 | | |

Quote: Originally Posted by randomgibberish But I think I'll stick with the fan that came with the rig that i'm going to buy as i'm not going to overclock it or any of that advanced stuff that could burn the hell out of the cpu.  I just realized that most Phenom quad cores with high operating frequencies are generally already overclocked from the factory. Overclocking probably wouldn't worth a lot effort. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number ASUS OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 CPU AMD Athlon 240 II @ 2.8-4.004 ghz Motherboard M4A78LT-M LE Memory SuperTalent 4gb DDR3 Graphics Card ATI Radeon 3000HD Screen Resolution 1440*900 Case Re-modded Dell Dimension 4550 Cooling Vantec 92mm Tornado x2 Other Info It looks pretty. should I build my own gaming rig or buy one pre built? problems? All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:27 PM. | |