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Windows 7: what game could run in this Graphics Card?

24 Aug 2011   #21
SlasherIT

Ubuntu 12.10
 
 

Doubt it. Care to elaborate more on that? The only thing I have found is that the Go5600 does 2x better in 3DMark2001SE compared to the 4500MHD... Except that... not really. Also, the Go5600 is classed the worse GPU in Class 4, the 4500MHD is in the middle of Class 4.


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24 Aug 2011   #22
Keiichi25

Windows 7 Ultimate x64 and Home Premium x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by SlasherIT View Post
@OP - Also Sims 3 and Left 4 Dead will run, at low settings.

@stormy13 - Yes, realize that. All those games I've posted (previous list) run fine on my old 9 and a half year old laptop, featuring a NVIDIA FX Go GeForce 5600, and a Pentium 4 3.06 Ghz.

@Keiichi25 - Yet those games I posted, most of them will run... fine.
Please note, you are failing to grasp the one simple fact that nVidia FX Go GeForce 5600 card was designed to be a GPU. Look here:

GeForce FX Go

Quote:
With an NVIDIA® GeForce® FX Go graphics processing unit (GPUs) powering your notebook, you can watch the latest DVDs, listen to MP3s, chat with friends, and surf the Web. GeForce FX Go5700--the ultimate notebook GPU--powers the next generation of games and multimedia applications by delivering complex shadow and lighting in the latest DirectX 9 games and lightning fast ultra-realistic visuals at higher resolutions and antialiasing levels.
Note the part bolded, italicized and underlined... This is the advertisement for that line of card for the Notebook at that time. Note also it cites for Direct X 9 games.

Now, let's look at INTEL's posting about their graphics adapter:

Mobile Intel® GM45 Chipset - Overview

Quote:
Enhanced support for a high definition experience.
Outstanding Blu-ray* logo capable, HD video playback with full hardware decode from AVC/VC1/MPEG2. Improved HDTV connectivity with integrated HDMI and DisplayPort* supporting up to 1080P.

Mobile Intel® Graphics Media Accelerator (GMA) 4500MHD.
Great 3D graphics performance for corporate and consumer laptops, with over 3x better scores on 3D Mark* 06.◊

Intel® Clear Video Technology
Provides outstanding video playback with sharper image quality, increased clarity, and customizable color controls. Enables enhanced visual quality of interlaced content on progressive displays.
Note the underlined part 'Corporate and consumer laptops'. Definition of Corporate and consumer laptops != Gamers. While gamers are consumers, it is a generalized for corporate, which has no need for a game quality 3d renderer.

From Stormy's link:

Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 4500MHD (GMA X4500MHD) - Notebookcheck.net Tech

Quote:
Compared to the predecessor GMA X3100, the GMA 4500MHD has two more shaders and a 33 MHz higher core clock speed. Therefore, the chip is noticable faster than the older one (especially in 3DMark06). Still, the performance is just on par with the entry level dedicated graphics cards and therefore not suited for demanding games. Some older games like Fear can be played in low details and low resolutions (see "Gaming Performance" below).

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Gaming Performance


The following benchmarks were conducted with a FSC Amilo SI3655 notebook and an underclocked (as presample) Express 45 (only 475 MHz instead of 533 MHz as stated above). Therefore, the above values can be higher with production samples and newer drivers.
Crysis: 1280x800, low: 4-5 fps -> not playable
Call of Duty 4
: 800x600, Standard: 5-15 fps -> not playable
Fifa 2008
: 800x600, high: 31 fps -> playable
Unreal Tournament 3: 800x600, 3/5 Details: 15-25 fps (with stuttering) -> not playable (perhaps in lowest detail settings)
Die Siedler - Aufstieg eines Königreichs
: 1024x768: 15-20 fps -> playable
F.E.A.R.: min./min.: 88 fps -> fully playable
Doom 3: low: 17 fps -> not playable
Notice a lot of not playable, some of them, like Doom 3 which is well over 3 years old had problems. While Fear seems to be fully playable, and Fifa 2008, the listing of games where it seemed playable are kind of laughable at best unless you want to play a 4 year old sports game, Sims (Which, after a while bores the crap out of people unless you like being either sadistic or into micromanaging virtual people) or Left 4 Dead. But as stated before, it isn't really designed to be a gaming graphics processor. The Intel HD graphics adapter was mainly designed to be a good desktop computer graphics adapter for those who just want basic stuff, like the Aero for Windows 7, or autocad rendering, which doesn't put high demand on 3D rendering.

Your 9 year old laptop has a dedicated OpenGL rendering GPU, nVidia and ATI have been going at each other since 1999 to be a good OpenGL card, more so when Diamond MultiMedia folded up and gave up doing it with their Monster 3Dfx cards and then later gave up on their FireGL cards. That is why your laptop is able to handle it, but please don't expect the current Intel Graphics Cards to be on par with your laptop's older GPU card with regards to some of the gaming 3d graphics demands, even at lower settings.
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24 Aug 2011   #23
SlasherIT

Ubuntu 12.10
 
 

Hmmm... How about its tech specs? The specs of the GMA look better than my Go5600...
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24 Aug 2011   #24
simmo

Windows 7 Professional 64 bit
 
 

New games as Stormy 13 has said will not run on the machine that the OP has linked...mate you would be better off dumping it or keeping it as a back up machine and build yourself a desktop.

Laptops are NOT designed for gaming and I include so called gaming laptops...if you want to game you run a decent desktop or you join the console kiddies.

It will run some of the older games and even then not all of them will run at decent framerates if you keep the game looking halfway decent.
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24 Aug 2011   #25
MoD

Windows Ultimate 32-Bit, Windows Enterprise 32-bit
 
 

thnx guys for the list,and special thanx to Slasher
i know my Gfx Card is Crap "i said that in the first post"
i have some of games that on the list Such as Age of empiers 2, i also have ARMY man R.T.S And CS1.6 " i'm sure that games not need very good Gfx card"
But i'm wondering why would you say the computer is better than l aptops on games, as you know, new laptops such as Dell Alienware, it got what New games needs to run so smooth,but of course it costs allot

BTW Minecraft works just fine when i play in lower setting and where can i have NFS games that works with My laptop? " torrent file will be nice"
finally what do you recommend me for a good gaming computer costs about 800$
thanx for all how replay on this topic
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24 Aug 2011   #26
MoD

Windows Ultimate 32-Bit, Windows Enterprise 32-bit
 
 

hi again,
Will NFS Pro Street work FIne in My "Crappy"Laptop?
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25 Aug 2011   #27
simmo

Windows 7 Professional 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by MoD View Post
thnx guys for the list,and special thanx to Slasher
i know my Gfx Card is Crap "i said that in the first post"
i have some of games that on the list Such as Age of empiers 2, i also have ARMY man R.T.S And CS1.6 " i'm sure that games not need very good Gfx card"
But i'm wondering why would you say the computer is better than l aptops on games, as you know, new laptops such as Dell Alienware, it got what New games needs to run so smooth,but of course it costs allot

BTW Minecraft works just fine when i play in lower setting and where can i have NFS games that works with My laptop? " torrent file will be nice"
finally what do you recommend me for a good gaming computer costs about 800$
thanx for all how replay on this topic
Hi mate..Laptops are laptops whether its an alienware or not..they run hot as and have substandard cooling and they can't be upgraded for the most part.I know I come across as someone with an attitude where lappies are concerned and umm you would be right. Don't like them and never will.

With a desktop you have an upgrade path if you build yourself and you can also overclock it for increased performance and you can add better cooling or watercool it if you want.

I never buy premade PC's like Dell>HP>Compaq whatever. Basically you are better off building your own. It's not that difficult and once you have it's that much easier the next time. Here in AU you would'nt get much of a desktop for that money. A halfway decent GPU will cost 25% of that..add a CPU/PSU/Ram and it's gone. Mind you I haven't priced a pre built system since jesus was a boy but whatever lol..Maybe you can get a pre built something for that.

And if by a torrent file you mean pirated software you will NOT get a link from this site. I for one am no fan of people who pirate software. If you meant something else I apologise but I sort of link Torrents and Pirated Software as bedfellows.
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25 Aug 2011   #28
Keiichi25

Windows 7 Ultimate x64 and Home Premium x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by MoD View Post
thnx guys for the list,and special thanx to Slasher
i know my Gfx Card is Crap "i said that in the first post"
i have some of games that on the list Such as Age of empiers 2, i also have ARMY man R.T.S And CS1.6 " i'm sure that games not need very good Gfx card"
But i'm wondering why would you say the computer is better than l aptops on games, as you know, new laptops such as Dell Alienware, it got what New games needs to run so smooth,but of course it costs allot

BTW Minecraft works just fine when i play in lower setting and where can i have NFS games that works with My laptop? " torrent file will be nice"
finally what do you recommend me for a good gaming computer costs about 800$
thanx for all how replay on this topic
Part of the issue is mostly the laptops, in order to deal with space and power issues as well as cooling, have to sacrifice in certain areas. The reason Desktops, for the most part, are going to do better in this case is that when you look at the system requirements for some of the current GPUs, there is a Power supply wattage requirement. They pull extra power that most system boards do not provide to allow the GPU to crunch the calculations a bit faster and alleviate the load on a CPU.

Unfortunately, there is no gaming computer that would be reasonable at $800. I would not recommend getting a cheap computer and try to stick a GPU into it for a few reasons:

1) Some of the cheaper computers will not have a nice PCIe slot available.
2) Cheaper computers will not sport 400+ Watt power supplies. Some GPUs will require a minimum of 450+ Watt power supply to work properly.
3) Most cheaper computers will be Mini-Tower or small form factor designs. If you look at some of the decent, cheap GPUs, you may have a space issue in order to fit them inside these cases.
4) Cooling in some of these computers might not be up to par.
5) Some of the CPUs are on the low end, so you may suffer more than just a lack of a good GPU in them.

I know this is probably what you don't want to hear, at least, for some of the more 'recent' games. However, you can probably eek out something with Minecraft, as it doesn't really focus too hard on a really good GPU (Never played minecraft, but what little I saw, it shouldn't require a crazy good GPU to work.)

Your next best option is to 'frankenstein' a computer... Purchase by parts and work your way up, but your main consideration should be with a good power supply, at least 500W, but shoot for like 600W to cover your bases, a decent tower case with several fans for cooling, a fairly newish Motherboard to support most of the current and new cpus. From there, you can get a relatively decent i5 core or AMD Phenom chip, a Hard drive, DVD rom drive and Windows 7 and build a computer from there. (Well, add memory and keyboard, monitor and mouse)

With that in mind, you have the option to get a better CPU later along with an ok GPU or update the GPU as you can afford. But that is the best you can really do at the lowball end.
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25 Aug 2011   #29
MoD

Windows Ultimate 32-Bit, Windows Enterprise 32-bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Keiichi25 View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by MoD View Post
thnx guys for the list,and special thanx to Slasher
i know my Gfx Card is Crap "i said that in the first post"
i have some of games that on the list Such as Age of empiers 2, i also have ARMY man R.T.S And CS1.6 " i'm sure that games not need very good Gfx card"
But i'm wondering why would you say the computer is better than l aptops on games, as you know, new laptops such as Dell Alienware, it got what New games needs to run so smooth,but of course it costs allot

BTW Minecraft works just fine when i play in lower setting and where can i have NFS games that works with My laptop? " torrent file will be nice"
finally what do you recommend me for a good gaming computer costs about 800$
thanx for all how replay on this topic
Part of the issue is mostly the laptops, in order to deal with space and power issues as well as cooling, have to sacrifice in certain areas. The reason Desktops, for the most part, are going to do better in this case is that when you look at the system requirements for some of the current GPUs, there is a Power supply wattage requirement. They pull extra power that most system boards do not provide to allow the GPU to crunch the calculations a bit faster and alleviate the load on a CPU.

Unfortunately, there is no gaming computer that would be reasonable at $800. I would not recommend getting a cheap computer and try to stick a GPU into it for a few reasons:

1) Some of the cheaper computers will not have a nice PCIe slot available.
2) Cheaper computers will not sport 400+ Watt power supplies. Some GPUs will require a minimum of 450+ Watt power supply to work properly.
3) Most cheaper computers will be Mini-Tower or small form factor designs. If you look at some of the decent, cheap GPUs, you may have a space issue in order to fit them inside these cases.
4) Cooling in some of these computers might not be up to par.
5) Some of the CPUs are on the low end, so you may suffer more than just a lack of a good GPU in them.

I know this is probably what you don't want to hear, at least, for some of the more 'recent' games. However, you can probably eek out something with Minecraft, as it doesn't really focus too hard on a really good GPU (Never played minecraft, but what little I saw, it shouldn't require a crazy good GPU to work.)

Your next best option is to 'frankenstein' a computer... Purchase by parts and work your way up, but your main consideration should be with a good power supply, at least 500W, but shoot for like 600W to cover your bases, a decent tower case with several fans for cooling, a fairly newish Motherboard to support most of the current and new cpus. From there, you can get a relatively decent i5 core or AMD Phenom chip, a Hard drive, DVD rom drive and Windows 7 and build a computer from there. (Well, add memory and keyboard, monitor and mouse)

With that in mind, you have the option to get a better CPU later along with an ok GPU or update the GPU as you can afford. But that is the best you can really do at the lowball end.
thnx buddy i will keep that in my mind...
also what budget do you recommend to build a gaming computer?
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25 Aug 2011   #30
Keiichi25

Windows 7 Ultimate x64 and Home Premium x64
 
 

Well, I would say look at the hardware parts...

Someone quoted a card being around $200... I would lean a little more to $300 for sake of other issues like shipping and tax on a rough estimate.

Motherboards will tend to be around $200 or so.

Memory would be about $150 per stick, taking into account say 2 gig triple channel DDR (I haven't looked at the prices, but generally hedging my bets at higher cost), so $450 to get the most out of triple channel.

Processor - Between $200-400, depending on how serious you want the system to be.

Hard Drive - Not going with SSD because of cost and also size issues, you can get like a 500 gig at around $300 to 400 I believe. Ideally, you want to have a 3 drive setup, 1 320 for system/apps, 1 320 for your games and 1 for random crap (Like music, video and stuff). The reason I say this is that you don't want your system drive's busy data choking your data pipe when you are playing games, while it is 'nothing' in some cases, if you get really busy system, you want to have your game's loading not interfered with your system/apps if you want it doing something serious, especially for virtual memory should you have that going on. The Random crap drive, I suggest mostly cause sometimes having it on either the game or the system/app drive, you run out of space quickly or take longer time defragging the drive if you have one large drive. While Win 7 has scheduled self-defragging, I often find it a pain to worry about it. Plus, should something bad happen to the system drive, your random crap data (Which often times is important for you) will not go with the system drive.

The other random stuff - Well, obviously, you want a DVD to load games and such, so that is somewhere betwen $80 to 150 depending on what other things you want with the system, such as Lightscribe or not just sticking with DVD but Blu-ray so you can watch Blu-ray movies and the like.

The Case - This one, don't skimp so much. You might have to get a good tower case with fans, so you may want to consider spending at least $150 to 250. The better cases will cost a little more. By 'better' you want to look at number of fans, size as well as power supply (Look seriously at any case with a 500 Watt or better) and how 'accessable' it is. Antec makes some decent cases... As an example...

http://www.antec.com/Believe_it/product.php?id=MjMmMg==

A friend of mine got, I believe, the 900 series type case for his system. The number of fans, note they are the 120mm fans... The number of them is a bit high, but he commented that putting the system on a load, the fans were not loud. Mostly because so much air was being pushed/pulled out by the number of fans, they didn't need to 'rev up' to keep the system cool.

Unfortunately, I can't give you a good hard number, as results may vary on what YOU want for a system. All I can do is make some recommendations and let you decide where you want to spend your money. My ultimate recommendation is just to consider the following:
  • Good case with fans to help with good air flow. More fans, preferably in the 120mm range, the better to keep noise levels down
  • Motherboard with decent range of CPUs it can support, just be aware you have to chose between Intel CPUs or AMD CPUs, as there is currently no Motherboard that will support both CPU manufactures, to my knowledge. The 'range' of CPUs it will support, of course, is limited, but this should help with "eeking" out more by being able to upgrade to a better processor if you want to 'lowball' what you need.
  • 6 gigs of ram if you are doing Triple channel, although a little more than that helps if you plan on doing several things beyond gaming at the same time, but 6 gigs should be more than enough.
  • Minimum of 2 hard drives. Don't raid them in a RAID 0 configuration. While you can get performance out of a striped set, you will learn quickly when one fails, you lose everything on your system. With a two drive setup, you can mitigate some loss, but as mentioned above, I would go with a 3 drive setup or a 4 drive (System/App drive in a Raid 1 (Mirrored), Game drive, Data drive) But on a budget, try 2 if you can, if really tight, you can do it with 1 drive, but System/App with games... Be prepared to play juggling of space.
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