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31 Aug 2009   #1

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Games and windows 7

Well several months ago i had to replace my PC and i'm stuck with windows Vista and too behonest its the stupidest thing ever made especially after Windows XP was so great, i am definatly wanna know a few things about Windows 7 before i go ahead and get rid of vista for good

1:- When i first used Vista after using XP for ages there was so much un-needed hasstle and headaches just using it does Windows 7 have the same clumsyness as vista or is it comfortable as XP?

2:- i seen the windows 7 tour and i can see how Windows 7 is like with new games it looks great but what about the games already out, the main thing i hate about Vista is the compatibly mode never work on games i had years ago from the late 90's and early 00's. Does windows 7 have the same issues or does it have a compatibilty mode that actually works?

3:- When Vista came out i remember being told not to get it straight away until a service pack came out, will it be the same for Windows 7 or all the bugs for it fixed? i heard that Windows 7 for European countries is making things worse when upgrading because of the Eurpean Union having a hissy fit because Internet explorer is preinstalled like it has been for like for alot of years and now they have to bitch about it now when it being released, wouldn't mind a update on that to see if i gonna have to deal with a bunch of problems if i do decide to "upgrade" to Windows 7 or should i go ahead and hunt for a copy of Windows XP

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31 Aug 2009   #2
Microsoft MVP

W 7 64-bit Ultimate
 
 

If you don't like Vista you won't like 7.
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31 Aug 2009   #3

Win 8 Release candidate 8400
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Prossy View Post
Well several months ago i had to replace my PC and i'm stuck with windows Vista and too behonest its the stupidest thing ever made especially after Windows XP was so great, i am definatly wanna know a few things about Windows 7 before i go ahead and get rid of vista for good

1:- When i first used Vista after using XP for ages there was so much un-needed hasstle and headaches just using it does Windows 7 have the same clumsyness as vista or is it comfortable as XP? Win 7 isnt as clunky as vista in my opinion. Its not XP but its not bad

2:- i seen the windows 7 tour and i can see how Windows 7 is like with new games it looks great but what about the games already out, the main thing i hate about Vista is the compatibly mode never work on games i had years ago from the late 90's and early 00's. Does windows 7 have the same issues or does it have a compatibilty mode that actually works? Win 7 compat mode works well for a majority of games, and apps. There is more driver support especially for 32 bit

3:- When Vista came out i remember being told not to get it straight away until a service pack came out, will it be the same for Windows 7 or all the bugs for it fixed? i heard that Windows 7 for European countries is making things worse when upgrading because of the Eurpean Union having a hissy fit because Internet explorer is preinstalled like it has been for like for alot of years and now they have to bitch about it now when it being released, wouldn't mind a update on that to see if i gonna have to deal with a bunch of problems if i do decide to "upgrade" to Windows 7 or should i go ahead and hunt for a copy of Windows XP
A majoruty of ppl are saying there isn't a need to wait for Sp1. It isn't perfect but its a decent job. Your call on h unting down acopy of XP but noone is writing drivers for it, there isnt much support if any, and sooner or later. Its a case of the you might as well.

You can always dual boot to see if you like it no cost no prblem for 120 days

Ken
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31 Aug 2009   #4

Windows 7 Ultimate x64, XP Mode, W8.1 Preview VM - 7 Pro x64 second remote tower
 
 

First of all Welcome to the Se7enforums! Prossy

1) Windows 7 has been well refined to surpass both XP and Vista in a variety of ways now incorporating the twin co-operation of the cpu with the gpu as far as gaming and video performance is concerned. It installs onto a machine in less then half the time the two previous versions took as well as seeing a faster startup and shutdown!

2) I regularly run a few older 98-XP compatible games on the 64bit 7 here without problem and even without the need for the compatibility mode! They ran on Vista there too without the need for that while other programs didn't fare so well on Vista or the 64bit 7.

I had to pay for an electronic download for the updated version of one program that ran well on XP for years as well as on the 32bit 7. But that's to be expected.

3)The EU-MS disbuckle is somewhat still in limbo with MS agreeing to leave IE 8 out in EU areas. Due to the lengthy delay with Vista's release MS extended the support for XP seeing an SP3 which "finally" saw some 1,000+ fixes long awaited for and is still available at vendors like newegg.

7 however is a progressive new version now without the "bloat" Vista was labeled for while being a more stable and secure version over XP! A good Q+A for 7 is something you will be interested in looking at seen at Cross Q&A: Is Windows 7 Good for Gamers?

You may want to look at the Vista/7 comparison article on things now seen in 7 not seen with Vista in thread for that as well. http://www.sevenforums.com/news/2262...ta-doesnt.html
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31 Aug 2009   #5

 
 

I didn't have any problems with games neither on Vista or 7...
(Except Max Payne and Manhunt on 64bit OS)
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31 Aug 2009   #6

Windows 7 Ultimate x64, XP Mode, W8.1 Preview VM - 7 Pro x64 second remote tower
 
 

The only game I have that wouldn't go on Vista was Metal of Honor: Allied Assault which I haven't been able to retry on Vista unless I install a fresh copy once I find the little insert with the product again since that was misplaced temporarily.

Many noticed and continue to rave about a performance increase seen with Vista following SP2 there. Presently with a few different 7 installations here mostly 64bit the games go on and run without fuss except for FEAR2 which only sees a black screen and never reaches the main menu on the 64bit 7. I never ran into any gaming problems on Vista while 7 does pass right by both of XP and Vista on many things!
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01 Sep 2009   #7

Vista 64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by zigzag3143 View Post
A majoruty of ppl are saying there isn't a need to wait for Sp1. It isn't perfect but its a decent job. Your call on h unting down acopy of XP but noone is writing drivers for it, there isnt much support if any, and sooner or later. Its a case of the you might as well.

You can always dual boot to see if you like it no cost no prblem for 120 days

Ken
yea this is the main reason why i didn't go ahead and find a copy of XP, but XP is still greatly used by gamers because is very comfortable and easy to use

The biggest turn off for gamers and vista is because the simplest things like loading up games sometimes can be unnessary awkward and annoying where XP never have problems whatso ever

Example:- World of warcraft is the easiest thing i can use for this

On xp when you open up WoW launcher it will check for updates then give you an option to run or exit, run the game and it will first with no agrivation

But on vista when you do that it will work but if you use Vent or what ever while still ingame you can't talk unless you alt-tab out of game, to solve the problem you have to go into the WoW folder and find the "Play" button to run the game without the launcher and "Run and administrator"

When you use vista with no knowledge pior to using it it's alot to take in when your used to using XP plus when you do get used to vista is still doesn't get comfortable after while, remember roughly about 80% of gamers aren't very knowledgeable about computers other then finding and opening a game so if they keep things simple like they did with XP they can't go wrong, also not forgetting all those pop ups for permission come up when downloading and installing stuff, i know they are there for a reason but alot of times it hangs before the pop ups comes up and it sometimes mess up, and sometimes there are alot of them
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01 Sep 2009   #8

Windows 7600.16385 / Vista x64 / XP
 
 

What absolute crap. Vista far surpasses XP. How is it possibly not smooth? If you have problems with it, spend 20 on 2 gigs of RAM. Problem solved.
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01 Sep 2009   #9

Vista 64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Night Hawk View Post
First of all Welcome to the Se7enforums! Prossy

1) Windows 7 has been well refined to surpass both XP and Vista in a variety of ways now incorporating the twin co-operation of the cpu with the gpu as far as gaming and video performance is concerned. It installs onto a machine in less then half the time the two previous versions took as well as seeing a faster startup and shutdown!

2) I regularly run a few older 98-XP compatible games on the 64bit 7 here without problem and even without the need for the compatibility mode! They ran on Vista there too without the need for that while other programs didn't fare so well on Vista or the 64bit 7.

I had to pay for an electronic download for the updated version of one program that ran well on XP for years as well as on the 32bit 7. But that's to be expected.

3)The EU-MS disbuckle is somewhat still in limbo with MS agreeing to leave IE 8 out in EU areas. Due to the lengthy delay with Vista's release MS extended the support for XP seeing an SP3 which "finally" saw some 1,000+ fixes long awaited for and is still available at vendors like newegg.

7 however is a progressive new version now without the "bloat" Vista was labeled for while being a more stable and secure version over XP! A good Q+A for 7 is something you will be interested in looking at seen at Cross Q&A: Is Windows 7 Good for Gamers?

You may want to look at the Vista/7 comparison article on things now seen in 7 not seen with Vista in thread for that as well. http://www.sevenforums.com/news/2262...ta-doesnt.html
Ty glad to be here

Yea ok i can see they are exaggerating Windows 7 to gamers a fair bit by those links you gave me

The thing that annoyed me the most is the EU chose when MS is releasing windows 7 to whine about IE being the default web browser for windows which it has been for years, i wouldn't mind if they chose the development stages to bring it up so they can change it and fix the problems that comes with the changes but not when they are releasing it, If i was MS i would of told them straight that they should of told them earlier and release it as it is but add the other web browsers to the desktop to a major update for windows 7 and keep their argument in mind for the release of the next OS in the future, it would be less hassle for us the customers
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01 Sep 2009   #10

Windows 7 Ultimate x64, XP Mode, W8.1 Preview VM - 7 Pro x64 second remote tower
 
 

The main complaint seen with Vista right from the start was the upgrade problems that people were running into on older systems especially premade only running 512mb to 1gb of memory. After the 6yr. gap between the two versions MS had wrapped Vista mainly around the newer capabilities seen with the latest hardwares at the time of it's release.

In order words MS later came to the realization that the OS was becoming too large and worked on developing the new WinMin kernelr to refine the Vista kernel down as well as "trimming the fat" as far all of the background services running in Vista. Despite the obvious best recommend for 2gb of ram on Vista you saw far fewer errors in gaming and other programs in the 2yrs.+ since it was released when compared to constant problems that were typically seen in XP in less then half that amount of time.

With 7 there's no excessive promotion for the new version with the articles there. Since the beta releases were first run here along side both XP and Vista it didn't take too long to figure out which would prove itself to be the actual best of the three when being run together side by side. The conclusion was reached by the RC stage which was going to be the predominant OS with XP then removed! Vista is still an option for a secondary OS.

As for the new direction MS decided to take with 7 I think this old 2007 article at InformationWeek sums things up quite well.

"Microsoft Wants Smaller Software Footprints Starting With Windows 7"

Microsoft will use a bare-bones version of the Windows kernel, called MinWin, as the starting point for the development of future products, including Windows 7 and Windows Server.

By Paul McDougall
InformationWeek

October 19, 2007 10:52 AM

"Microsoft (NSDQ: MSFT) apparently is putting its Windows operating system on a diet.
Acknowledging criticisms that the Windows operating system is "bloated," a senior company official said the software maker has adopted a new, modular approach to OS development that will yield more streamlined products beginning with Windows 7 -- a successor to Windows Vista that's expected to be available some time in 2010.

"We're starting on this path," said Microsoft distinguished engineer Eric Traut, during a presentation at a college campus.

"A lot of people think of Windows as this large, bloated operating system. That's maybe a fair characterization," said Traut, who was speaking last week at the University of Illinois. A video of his presentation appeared Friday on the blog IstartedSomething.com.
With an eye toward offering slimmer products, Microsoft will use a bare-bones version of the Windows kernel, called MinWin, as the starting point for the development of future products, including Windows 7 and Windows Server.
Microsoft programmers will use MinWin as a base for development and then layer on only what's needed for particular Windows versions. "There's a really nice little core inside Windows," said Traut.
In adopting a more modular approach to Windows development, Microsoft may be bowing to criticism that current, one-size-fits-all versions of the OS are overstuffed for many user requirements. To prove his point, Traut demonstrated a version of MinWin built on 25 Mbytes of data, compared to Windows Vista's 4-Gbyte footprint. "We've taken a shot at stripping out all the layers above and making sure we have a clean architectural layer," said Traut.


Microsoft has no plans to "productize" MinWin, but will use it as the basis for future OS development. "We're definitely going to be using this in a lot of the products we build," said Traut.
Microsoft may be hoping that the Windows-on-Weight Watchers approach will help it fend off competition from Linux and Web-based software -- non-Microsoft computing alternatives that impose less demanding hardware requirements on end users. Despite the fact that Windows Vista launched earlier this year amid considerable hype, many consumers and businesses have shied away from the OS, citing cost and compatibility concerns, in addition to Vista's steep resource requirements."
Microsoft Wants Smaller Software Footprints Starting With Windows 7 -- Microsoft -- InformationWeek
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