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20 Sep 2012
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| | MS Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit SP1 168 posts |

Quote: Originally Posted by vv211 I've also heard that if you close your steam account, you lose all the games you've purchased through them  This is also why i like a hard copy of my games, like that other guy said | My System Specs |
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20 Sep 2012
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| | Windows 7 Professional x64 36 posts Wyoming County, NY, USA |
in regards to the whole "game manager" thing. That's great, some people aren't good with computers and something such as steam would help them a lot, others who may be really good with computers might just like the convenience that comes with steam, but I think it's bogus to REQUIRE a game to be downloaded/installed/launched through a "game manager". I'm quite able to manage my own games without their help. Sure, add steam as an option, but if someone's gonna give you money for a product, you shouldn't force them to acquire or use it in a certain manner. If I make you a desk, what gives me the right to tell you that it can only be used in your bedroom, not in an office, just your bedroom.
The only reason I have steam is because I want to play a couple of its games with my friends, but if those games were available as hard copies and didn't require steam to play them, I would have chosen that in a heartbeat. I like BF3, but I hate Origin, and the fact that I need to launch through Origin, and use a web browser to find a server. Why can't I just find one through the game? Although I must admit that my deep-set hatred for Origin stemmed from the fact that when I first got it it would refuse to log me in | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Custom OS Windows 7 Professional x64 CPU Intel i7-3770 3.4GHz Motherboard Gigabyte GA-Z77-D3H Memory 8GB DDR3 1600MHz Corsair Vengeance Dual Channel Graphics Card Sapphire Radeon HD 7950 3GB VRAM Sound Card Onboard Monitor(s) Displays 21.5" Screen Resolution 1920x1080 Keyboard Onn wireless keyboard Mouse CMStorm Sentinel Advance II PSU 600W Coolmax ZU-600B Case Antec Nine Hundred Two V3 Cooling 4 stock case fans. 1 stock cpu fan. 2 stock gpu fans Hard Drives 128GB OCZ Vertex 4 SSD
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20 Sep 2012
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| | Windows 7 Home premium 64bit 2,800 posts |

Quote: Originally Posted by vv211 I've also heard that if you close your steam account, you lose all the games you've purchased through them 
Why would you close it in the first place? | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop OS Windows 7 Home premium 64bit CPU AMD Phenom II X4 925 (Deneb) OC 3.4GHz Motherboard M5A78L-MLX Plus Memory 8192MB RAM DDR3 1600 Graphics Card XFX HD 6870 1GB (Connected via HDMI) Monitor(s) Displays Polaroid TLAC-02255 22" Digital HD LED TV Screen Resolution 1920x1080 60Hz Keyboard Microsoft USB Comfort Curve Keyboard 2000 (IntelliType Pro) Mouse Logitech Optical Gaming Mouse G400 PSU CORSAIR CX600 600w Case AZZA Orion 202 EVO with 3fans and a corsair af fan Cooling cooler master hyper TX3 cpu cooler Hard Drives Kingston Digital 60GB SSDNow V300 and 500gb HDD Western Digital 7200rpm (black) Internet Speed 6Mbps download 0.65Mbps upload Antivirus MSE Browser chrome |
20 Sep 2012
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| | Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1 6,497 posts Hampton VA |

Quote: Originally Posted by vv211 I've also heard that if you close your steam account, you lose all the games you've purchased through them  Not sure about this one. You may lose some functionality (achievements), but you can play your games offline.
Anyway my question would be why would you want to close your account if you have a number of games installed with the app??? | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Built by me OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1 CPU Intel Core i7-950 (3.06GHz) OC to 3.8GHz Motherboard Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD5 rev 1, F6 Bios Memory 12 gig Corsair DDR3 Dominator GT Memory (3X 4GB) Graphics Card AMD Radeon HD6950 2gig (Sapphire) Sound Card Soundblaster ZXR Monitor(s) Displays HP ZR22w 22" LCD Monitor Screen Resolution 1920 x 1080 Keyboard Logitech Wireless Wave Mouse Logitech Performance MX PSU Antec Signature - SG-850 Case Cooler Master HAF X Cooling Noctua NH-C12P SE14 Hard Drives Primary - OCZ Vertex 4 SSD (256GB). Storage - OCZ Vertex 2 SSD (120GB), 2TB WD Caviar Black. Internet Speed High Speed Cable Other Info Memory Timings - 1600MHz @ 8-8-8-20-1T @ 1.640 volts |
20 Sep 2012
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| | Windows 7 Professional x64 36 posts Wyoming County, NY, USA |
Quote: You may cancel your Account at any time. However, Subscriptions are not transferable, and even if your access to a Subscription for a particular game or application is terminated, the original activation key will not be able to be registered to any other account, even if the game or application was purchased in a retail store. This is from steam's subscriber agreement 
Quote: Originally Posted by sygnus21 Anyway my question would be why would you want to close your account if you have a number of games installed with the app???  Not sure, but if you did, no more games. They do make it really difficult to close your account though: Quote: Only inactive accounts containing no games are deleted. Accounts cannot be deleted by request. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Custom OS Windows 7 Professional x64 CPU Intel i7-3770 3.4GHz Motherboard Gigabyte GA-Z77-D3H Memory 8GB DDR3 1600MHz Corsair Vengeance Dual Channel Graphics Card Sapphire Radeon HD 7950 3GB VRAM Sound Card Onboard Monitor(s) Displays 21.5" Screen Resolution 1920x1080 Keyboard Onn wireless keyboard Mouse CMStorm Sentinel Advance II PSU 600W Coolmax ZU-600B Case Antec Nine Hundred Two V3 Cooling 4 stock case fans. 1 stock cpu fan. 2 stock gpu fans Hard Drives 128GB OCZ Vertex 4 SSD
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21 Sep 2012
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| | MS Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit SP1 168 posts |

Quote: Originally Posted by vv211 Quote: You may cancel your Account at any time. However, Subscriptions are not transferable, and even if your access to a Subscription for a particular game or application is terminated, the original activation key will not be able to be registered to any other account, even if the game or application was purchased in a retail store. This is from steam's subscriber agreement 
Quote: Originally Posted by sygnus21 Anyway my question would be why would you want to close your account if you have a number of games installed with the app???  Not sure, but if you did, no more games. They do make it really difficult to close your account though: Quote: Only inactive accounts containing no games are deleted. Accounts cannot be deleted by request. If accounts could be closed by request, hackers could go keylogger/phish steam accounts just to screw the creator of the account, on a game I used to play, this was a major issue. | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Custom BuilD OS MS Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit SP1 CPU Intel Core i7 3770K @ 3.50GHz Motherboard ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. P8Z77-V LX (LGA1155) Memory 8.00 GB Dual-Channel DDR3 @ 679MHz Graphics Card GeForce GTX 570 1279MB (EVGA) Sound Card Realtek High Definition Audio Monitor(s) Displays DELL E198FP, DELL E190S Screen Resolution 1280x1024 Keyboard G110 Logitect Black USB Backlighting Keyboard Mouse Synaptics PS/2 Port TouchPad PSU 750W Case Coolermaster 912 Cooling 3 Fans, an Extreme CoolerMaster CPU Heatsink Hard Drives 932GB Western Digital
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21 Sep 2012
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| | Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1 6,497 posts Hampton VA |
FUD, Steam, Origin, Digital downloads... Sorry but some of you are just grasping for straws by drumming up what if and it could happen/did happen scenarios. In computers any and everything could happen, does that mean we stop using computers? Everyone is worried about their privacy over the net, we all know the net is full of information about us… yet we still continue to use it, why?
Steam is no more nefarious or problematic that most other games or software out there. I could theorize that someone could hack this site and steal our information… sites have certainly been hacked… do I stop using this site because I "heard" sites could be hacked?
As I said earlier, some may not like Steam and what it represents, but let’s not try to make it the scape goat for all that’s wrong with gaming by nit picking every "what if" or "I heard" out there, because the reality is is that Steam is very reliable.
What or who aren’t so reliable are the game developers who are under pressure to push out half-finished games to meet deadlines. I’m more concerned about that than Steam’s game app.
And for the record, my defense of Steam is more practical than "fan boyish"… Steam isn’t going away since more and more game developers will be using it, or Origin, as a delivery service for their games.
In short, if you want to do PC gaming, more likely than not you’ll be using Steam…. And/or Origin! As I said earlier… want to play Mass Effect 3 on PC? You’ll have to install Origin…. EA’s own game manager app/store.
In the end the percentage of games not requiring a game app/manager (steam, Origin) or digital download will become slimmer and slimmer as the future of gaming continues to evolve.
My two cents. | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Built by me OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1 CPU Intel Core i7-950 (3.06GHz) OC to 3.8GHz Motherboard Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD5 rev 1, F6 Bios Memory 12 gig Corsair DDR3 Dominator GT Memory (3X 4GB) Graphics Card AMD Radeon HD6950 2gig (Sapphire) Sound Card Soundblaster ZXR Monitor(s) Displays HP ZR22w 22" LCD Monitor Screen Resolution 1920 x 1080 Keyboard Logitech Wireless Wave Mouse Logitech Performance MX PSU Antec Signature - SG-850 Case Cooler Master HAF X Cooling Noctua NH-C12P SE14 Hard Drives Primary - OCZ Vertex 4 SSD (256GB). Storage - OCZ Vertex 2 SSD (120GB), 2TB WD Caviar Black. Internet Speed High Speed Cable Other Info Memory Timings - 1600MHz @ 8-8-8-20-1T @ 1.640 volts |
21 Sep 2012
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| | Win 7 Pro 64-bit 7601 1,093 posts Italy |

Quote: Originally Posted by Layback Bear Torrents and the like lower the quality of games. The more games or programs people steal the less money the company that make those games or programs has to keep the quality standards that everybody wants. It's more complex than that. Most of the people I know that torrents pirated games, won't buy the game in any case.
So the equation isn't exactly "pirated version installed" = "less money to devs".
The same logic applies to movies and music and whatever.
What torrents caused is the idiotic DRM bubble, where legit users are treated like hackers and are forced to keep the CD in, have a connection with a secure server all the time, or some other stupid annoyance when pirates can still have the game for free within weeks of release. Quote: I've also heard that if you close your steam account, you lose all the games you've purchased through them But afaik, the account isn't connected to the machine or the OS. In case your rig melts down, it just stays put in their servers awaiting you to connect another computer again.
Re-downloading everything is a major pita though. | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number custom built OS Win 7 Pro 64-bit 7601 CPU AMD Phenom 9650 QuadCore, revision DR-B3 Motherboard ASUS M4A78 Memory 4,00 GB Graphics Card NVIDIA GeForce 9800 GT Sound Card Realtek High Definition Audio Monitor(s) Displays Fujitsu Siemens P19-3P Screen Resolution 1280 x 1024 x 32 bits @ 60 Hz Oh yeah, 4:3 rocks! Keyboard Microsoft, whatever. Mouse Optical, logitec. PSU whatever, around 450w Case Scavenged from old company PC, 10+ years old Cooling CPU fan, GPU fan, case fan, nothing fancy Hard Drives (1) MAXTOR S TM3320613AS SATA Disk Device (2) STM35004 18AS SATA Disk Device (3) TOSHIBA USB 2.5"-HDD Internet Speed effective max speeds: 70-ish kB/s down 30-ish kB/s up Antivirus Avira, free endition. Browser Firefox with FXChrome to make it look like Google Chrome Other Info Was discarded by previous owner due to "horrible performance".
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21 Sep 2012
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| | Windows 7 Ultimate 32-Bit 526 posts |

Quote: Originally Posted by sygnus21 Sorry but some of you are just grasping for straws by drumming up what if and it could happen/did happen scenarios. In computers any and everything could happen, does that mean we stop using computers? Everyone is worried about their privacy over the net, we all know the net is full of information about us… yet we still continue to use it, why?
Steam is no more nefarious or problematic that most other games or software out there. I could theorize that someone could hack this site and steal our information… sites have certainly been hacked… do I stop using this site because I "heard" sites could be hacked?
As I said earlier, some may not like Steam and what it represents, but let’s not try to make it the scape goat for all that’s wrong with gaming by nit picking every "what if" or "I heard" out there, because the reality is is that Steam is very reliable.
What or who aren’t so reliable are the game developers who are under pressure to push out half-finished games to meet deadlines. I’m more concerned about that than Steam’s game app.
And for the record, my defense of Steam is more practical than "fan boyish"… Steam isn’t going away since more and more game developers will be using it, or Origin, as a delivery service for their games.
In short, if you want to do PC gaming, more likely than not you’ll be using Steam…. And/or Origin! As I said earlier… want to play Mass Effect 3 on PC? You’ll have to install Origin…. EA’s own game manager app/store.
In the end the percentage of games not requiring a game app/manager (steam, Origin) or digital download will become slimmer and slimmer as the future of gaming continues to evolve.
My two cents. I honestly don't really care if they have my personal information or not. That's not really why I don't have Steam. It's because the game requires Steam in the first place is what makes me not buy their games. I don't care how good it is. If I wanted a game manager, I'd have one. But I don't. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Custom OS Windows 7 Ultimate 32-Bit CPU Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU 920 @ 2.67GHz Motherboard Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd. EX58-UD3R Memory Corsair DDR3 4Gb Graphics Card Nvidia Ge-Force GTS250 Sound Card High Definition Audio Device Monitor(s) Displays Envision 19 inch Screen Resolution 1280x1024 Mouse Microsoft Optical USB Mouse. Case "Elite" style case Cooling "Cooler Master" Hard Drives 2 physical hard drives (4 letter drives) that equal up to 626.3 gigs of space all together. I think both are Maxtors, but primary is a SATA drive, secondary is a SATA, too. Internet Speed Verizon DSL Internet |
21 Sep 2012
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| | Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1 6,497 posts Hampton VA |

Quote: Originally Posted by bobafetthotmail Quote: I've also heard that if you close your steam account, you lose all the games you've purchased through them But afaik, the account isn't connected to the machine or the OS. In case your rig melts down, it just stays put in their servers awaiting you to connect another computer again.
Re-downloading everything is a major pita though. The game files are installed locally on your machine so you can still play the games you bought. What you would lose is cloud saves, auto patching/patching and game achievements. Other than that the games will still work. | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Built by me OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1 CPU Intel Core i7-950 (3.06GHz) OC to 3.8GHz Motherboard Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD5 rev 1, F6 Bios Memory 12 gig Corsair DDR3 Dominator GT Memory (3X 4GB) Graphics Card AMD Radeon HD6950 2gig (Sapphire) Sound Card Soundblaster ZXR Monitor(s) Displays HP ZR22w 22" LCD Monitor Screen Resolution 1920 x 1080 Keyboard Logitech Wireless Wave Mouse Logitech Performance MX PSU Antec Signature - SG-850 Case Cooler Master HAF X Cooling Noctua NH-C12P SE14 Hard Drives Primary - OCZ Vertex 4 SSD (256GB). Storage - OCZ Vertex 2 SSD (120GB), 2TB WD Caviar Black. Internet Speed High Speed Cable Other Info Memory Timings - 1600MHz @ 8-8-8-20-1T @ 1.640 volts Is PC gaming Being Done Away With? problems? All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:26 AM. | |