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12 Jun 2013   #41
ACR731

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Juxxize View Post
Hi guys , now more info has come out about the PS4 ( I know I started the thread about the xone but hey-ho ) I must say it gives me a little hope for the future of console gaming , it seems Sony are actually making a 'games console' not a ..... well what-ever the xbox one is supposed to be because it sure isn't what I'd call a games console it's nearly every thing but. Sony are allowing used games sales and you don't need an internet connection to use the console which is great news for consumers, I think anyway.
I still want to get a gaming rig but I need to get some more penny's saved up first but this thread has helped me out in learning about what's important in a gaming rig , so thanks guys .
When I do get a gaming PC I'm looking forward to using Steam because it looks like when the Steam sales are on there are some good deals to be had.

I purchased a 360 on launch day back in 2005, but that won't be happening this time around. I understand what Microsoft is trying accomplish with their strategy, and its similar to Apple's reasoning for not including a micro sd card slot in their iphone.... its about forcing customers to pay more money.

This strategy is why I have a Samsung phone instead of an iphone, and it will be the reason why I own a PS4 instead of the Xbox One. Apple and Microsoft really need to consider taking care of their customers and stop focusing on how much more cash they can pile into their bank accounts.

Common sense should be telling Microsoft that keeping the strategy of the new system similar to the 360 would guarantee a ton of sales and a win in the console wars. But instead they are trying to think of new ways to squeeze a few more pennies out of people. All they are doing is causing the Xbox One to be a total flop before it even hits the market.


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12 Jun 2013   #42
Wishmaster

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Im wondering if this may be a defining moment on the DRM issue.

And by that I mean:
First, we have MS with its DRM method, and Sony saying they will not impose restrictions. You bought it, do what you want with your copy.

So, lets just say the Publishers are on board with MS, and want this to new DRM be the way its done now and in the future.

Lets assume, hypothetically, a large majority of gamers decide they do not want this type of system and will not stand for it.
The result being many move to PS4, and Sony ends up being the console of choice for 75% of gamers, while MS holds only 25%. Give or take a few %

If this were to happen, it would stand to reason the Publishers would have 2 choices. Stick with MS, loose sales and potentially go under. OR, give in to the demand and supply the product without all the restrictions.

On the other hand, if MS does fairly well and the opposite occurs, or even grabs 50% or more of the player base.
It would stand to reason this form of DRM would get more and more strict in the future.
Why? Because they can and they know it.

The result is a bit scary when you think about what it may turn into later down the road. Does it move to PC in some form as well etc ...
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12 Jun 2013   #43
M1GU31

Windows 10 64bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Juxxize View Post
Hi guys , now more info has come out about the PS4 ( I know I started the thread about the xone but hey-ho ) I must say it gives me a little hope for the future of console gaming , it seems Sony are actually making a 'games console' not a ..... well what-ever the xbox one is supposed to be because it sure isn't what I'd call a games console it's nearly every thing but. Sony are allowing used games sales and you don't need an internet connection to use the console which is great news for consumers, I think anyway.
I still want to get a gaming rig but I need to get some more penny's saved up first but this thread has helped me out in learning about what's important in a gaming rig , so thanks guys .
When I do get a gaming PC I'm looking forward to using Steam because it looks like when the Steam sales are on there are some good deals to be had.
Oh you will fall in love with steam, the sales are too good to be true. I'm also looking forward to the ps4, might get one later once it's been out a couple months to see what happens.
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12 Jun 2013   #44
AstaLaVista

Windows 7 x64 (Ultimate)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by ACR731 View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Juxxize View Post
Hi guys , now more info has come out about the PS4 ( I know I started the thread about the xone but hey-ho ) I must say it gives me a little hope for the future of console gaming , it seems Sony are actually making a 'games console' not a ..... well what-ever the xbox one is supposed to be because it sure isn't what I'd call a games console it's nearly every thing but. Sony are allowing used games sales and you don't need an internet connection to use the console which is great news for consumers, I think anyway.
I still want to get a gaming rig but I need to get some more penny's saved up first but this thread has helped me out in learning about what's important in a gaming rig , so thanks guys .
When I do get a gaming PC I'm looking forward to using Steam because it looks like when the Steam sales are on there are some good deals to be had.

I purchased a 360 on launch day back in 2005, but that won't be happening this time around. I understand what Microsoft is trying accomplish with their strategy, and its similar to Apple's reasoning for not including a micro sd card slot in their iphone.... its about forcing customers to pay more money.

This strategy is why I have a Samsung phone instead of an iphone, and it will be the reason why I own a PS4 instead of the Xbox One. Apple and Microsoft really need to consider taking care of their customers and stop focusing on how much more cash they can pile into their bank accounts.

Common sense should be telling Microsoft that keeping the strategy of the new system similar to the 360 would guarantee a ton of sales and a win in the console wars. But instead they are trying to think of new ways to squeeze a few more pennies out of people. All they are doing is causing the Xbox One to be a total flop before it even hits the market.
I agree with you in all that you have said except the last sentence... unfortunately.

Aside from loosing any sense of what money is worth, people have also lost the common sense and these people (MS & Apple, etc,) rather spend millions on Marketing or paying a lobbyist than making a good game work... it is just like I said before, people buy game w/o even researching, then, even after the game can't play well online, they keep on buying the DLC? how can you respect that? I mean, what kind of incentive is there for these companies to do right by the customer? Again, this way of doing business should be illegal to begin with but there you have it


@ wishmaster... very good point indeed.

Now, let me play Devil's Advocate w/o getting all confused myself. What about if this is only a plot by Sony to sell more PS4s, then when the games start to trickle in (we all know the majority of the games are done for the Xbox and then ported, except those proprietary to Sony), the customer gets the short end of the stick because Publishers like Ubi, EA, Activision, etc, do have the DRM implemented like Xbox1? Do you think that Sony will back the customer or backpedal and hide under the... "Well, we did not know that was coming?"
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12 Jun 2013   #45
Wishmaster

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That's a good point. But I thought that the DRM scheme was a "feature" of Xbox's architecture. And Publishers decided to use it or not.

From what I understood about Sony, they have no such thing in place. Just the Disc based DRm, and of course Digital PSN (Steam type DRM)

Perhaps I'm wrong or misunderstood, but if I understood it correctly then I wonder ...

How would a publisher take advantage of the XB One DRM system, and release for both platforms? One supports it the other does not.
It doesn't seem they could other than leave Sony out of the picture.


Maybe Im the one confused here LOL.
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12 Jun 2013   #46
Maguscreed

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Windows 7 x64
 
 

One more benefit of steam is humble bundles, most the time they aren't very exciting but every now and then they put up a pack of triple a titles for just a few bucks. It's worth signing on.
There is the primary bundle (usually indie) and a weekly bundle (varies greatly and is where you find most the killer deals when they come)
https://www.humblebundle.com/

right now it's all the serious sam games for 4.41.
EDIT... it's almost like they are intentionally sabotaging themselves.
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14 Jun 2013   #47
Wishmaster

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Just seen this and ... WOW. I just don't know what to say.
Look at the numbers.

Amazon Polls Consumers: PS4 or Xbox One…The Results Are Staggering - Gadget Review


Heres the Poll:
https://www.facebook.com/AmazonVideo...1317646&rest=1
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15 Jun 2013   #48
Juxxize

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit SP1
 
 

Quote: Originally Posted by AstaLaVista
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Now, let me play Devil's Advocate w/o getting all confused myself. What about if this is only a plot by Sony to sell more PS4s, then when the games start to trickle in (we all know the majority of the games are done for the Xbox and then ported, except those proprietary to Sony), the customer gets the short end of the stick because Publishers like Ubi, EA, Activision, etc, do have the DRM implemented like Xbox1? Do you think that Sony will back the customer or backpedal and hide under the... "Well, we did not know that was coming?"
you-know my boyfriend said the same thing , it's not just the console makers but the game devs and as much as I love their work some of them ( EA springs to mind ) will do anything to squeeze more money out of you like DLC it never comes downs in price even when it's 6 years old for what you get it's very over priced and I don't buy it some DLC it about 14 for maybe if your lucky two hours play nobody in their right mind could think that's a 'good deal'.
So yes only time will tell how the whole used games issues will play out but like you I don't trust these big company's
Also has anyone noticed how completely deflated Don Mattrick in interviews at the moment at e3 it's like he's not even the same man who unveiled the xbox one a few weeks ago he struggles to smile when taking about the new console and has no energy and just seems so fed-up, I think the backlash on community driven platforms like this is much worse then Microsoft could have imagined what do you guys think ? wouldn't it be great if they did a u-turn on some of their features that folk are so mad about but I don't think they will.
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15 Jun 2013   #49
taylorig

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15 Jun 2013   #50
Juxxize

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OH my goodness look at this I didn't know this --->>>> banned-xbox-live-accounts-lose-access-all-xbox-one-games
I've never been banned but there is no proper appeals process, I've read so many 1000's of story's on-line of people who have banned and don't know why bbc program watchdog did a feature on it a 18 months ago bbc.co.uk/blogs/watchdog/2011/09/xbox_console/xboxlive/bans here's the report here is the actual bbc watchdog program just the part about xbox live for those of you outside the UK
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