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Windows 7: Discuss: Saints Row 4

20 Sep 2013   #11
Lomai

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by AstaLaVista View Post
Hey, at least the game was not developed by Ubisoft...




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22 Sep 2013   #12
Maguscreed

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I just have to say one thing here. GTA 4, and 5 even look like digital crap. It gets so bad when I'm driving at 100 miles an hour it's sometimes hard to even tell where the road is up ahead, why people are willing to kill and die for that stupid game is completely beyond me.

Saint's row 3 was a masterpiece of insanity and fun, 4 I have to admit is basically saint's row 3, plus some mechanics from prototype 2 and spiderman.
The thing that bothered me most about it was the appalling lack of content that is original to it. It's really an expansion for saint's row 3, and charging full game price for it is a bad move and maybe even a tad dishonest.

If they had put it up for ...say 15 bucks like Blood Dragon, I would probably not be harsh about it. I did have some fun playing it. I couldn't help but notice the entire time that very little had actually been added to the game, and that the virtual world concept the whole thing revolved around was nothing more than a cheat to avoid having to create more new content.

If you are a GTA fan, I'm sorry to bust your bubble but just because something is popular doesn't mean it's good.
Ever heard of bronies?
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23 Sep 2013   #13
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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Maguscreed View Post
If you are a GTA fan, I'm sorry to bust your bubble but just because something is popular doesn't mean it's good.
And just because you don't enjoy something, doesn't make it bad


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Ever heard of bronies?
There's a big difference between engine limitations and shit.
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23 Sep 2013   #14
Maguscreed

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by smarteyeball View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Maguscreed View Post
If you are a GTA fan, I'm sorry to bust your bubble but just because something is popular doesn't mean it's good.
And just because you don't enjoy something, doesn't make it bad


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Ever heard of bronies?
There's a big difference between engine limitations and shit.
Fair points I suppose.
Look at it from this way though GTA 4's port to pc was horrible. The shader engine was broken beyond belief. It had a lot of nearly game breaking problems that seem to have somehow just become the source of a lot of funny gifs on the internet.

...say a horse jumping on a motorcycle and flying away on it.
If you like the game that's fine, as you point out, it is a matter of opinion and not fact.

On the other hand, pretending it was perfect and rallying around it as a model for future games. I think was a bad idea that we will be paying for much longer now given the insane first day sales of 5.
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23 Sep 2013   #15
AstaLaVista

Windows 7 x64 (Ultimate)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Maguscreed View Post
On the other hand, pretending it was perfect and rallying around it as a model for future games. I think was a bad idea that we will be paying for much longer now given the insane first day sales of 5.
But this is, basically, the modus operandus of mots Companies now a days, 100% how UBI operates but, everyone is cutting corners because us as a society don't really care as long as you keep that DLC coming and promise that you will patch the game.

Go to the Ghost Recon Future Soldier forum and just read the atrocities that UBI has done with that game since it first launch back in the Summer of 2012, pretty similar to any other of their game forums but I choose this one as an example... then, from the shadows of mind blowingness, a few will come out begging UBI to please listen to the changes that the community want for GRFS2 dumfounded, dumbstruck & flavergasted are big words for me and they pale in comparison with what I would like to use to describe these people
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23 Sep 2013   #16
Maguscreed

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by AstaLaVista View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Maguscreed View Post
On the other hand, pretending it was perfect and rallying around it as a model for future games. I think was a bad idea that we will be paying for much longer now given the insane first day sales of 5.
But this is, basically, the modus operandus of mots Companies now a days, 100% how UBI operates but, everyone is cutting corners because us as a society don't really care as long as you keep that DLC coming and promise that you will patch the game.

Go to the Ghost Recon Future Soldier forum and just read the atrocities that UBI has done with that game since it first launch back in the Summer of 2012, pretty similar to any other of their game forums but I choose this one as an example... then, from the shadows of mind blowingness, a few will come out begging UBI to please listen to the changes that the community want for GRFS2 dumfounded, dumbstruck & flavergasted are big words for me and they pale in comparison with what I would like to use to describe these people
I don't know what is going on lately, even valve has managed to screw up team fortress 2 introducing horrible periodic server wide lag/rubberbanding. They've generally been fairly reliable about not completely breaking stuff in the past.

Then their new announcement is a steam OS based on linux that is really only for a special product they plan to make, and half life 3 still isn't confirmed, and I think I just popped a blood vessel on my forehead.

Anyhow, there are a lot of turn for the worse things going on, and there is some weird air of desperation from the corporate side driving it. To be honest I blame EA for setting it all in motion far more than UBI, UBI was just all too happy to jump on the bandwagon though.

EA has been doing some minor backpedaling but they still have never owned up to the fact they've destroyed dozens of good profitable developers and all but violated many beloved titles in the process. In a morally bankrupt process they consider to be business as usual.
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23 Sep 2013   #17
AstaLaVista

Windows 7 x64 (Ultimate)
 
 

all things being equal, all the CoD MW games, solely speaking about the campaigns are made very well, whether console ports or not, there is no need to patch, there is no need to do nothing but install and play, same goes for all the MoH MW games... none of the UBI games are made well, they all have problems, all of them, whether they can't be play with mouse because of lack of buttons assignments, or uplay does not let you in or install, etc... this is why I am saying that UBI is the worst of them... shooters is all I do so I can't comment on the other genres.

Now, the part of them eating the small fish... I couldn't agree with you more.
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23 Sep 2013   #18
smarteyeball

 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Maguscreed View Post

Fair points I suppose.
Look at it from this way though GTA 4's port to pc was horrible. The shader engine was broken beyond belief. It had a lot of nearly game breaking problems that seem to have somehow just become the source of a lot of funny gifs on the internet.
Definitely no arguments there. As far as ports go it was indeed woeful. I didn't upgrade for GTA, but it still took three CPU and GPU gen upgrades before it was smooth enough to play maxxed out. Even then the FPS fluctuations are wilder than a drunken priest and as ugly as a beaten whore.


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On the other hand, pretending it was perfect and rallying around it as a model for future games.
I'm certainly not one who believes it was perfect. Far from it - but I do accept the engine limitations for such a large scale game on outdated hardware that it is. Truth be told I was disappointed to hear it was coming to the 360. I'd hoped it would be on the new console with a much improved engine. However, imperfections aside - I do enjoy the gameplay of GTA far more than any of the Saints Row titles I've played. That's what keeps me coming back.

In fact I caved and bought it today because I didn't feel like waiting for the "however long" it will take to come to PC and the subsequent patches it will need to work properly.
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24 Sep 2013   #19
Gornot

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Maguscreed View Post
Saint's row 3 was a masterpiece of insanity and fun, 4 I have to admit is basically saint's row 3, plus some mechanics from prototype 2 and spiderman.
The thing that bothered me most about it was the appalling lack of content that is original to it. It's really an expansion for saint's row 3, and charging full game price for it is a bad move and maybe even a tad dishonest.
The problem with SR4 is that Volition was already falling apart while they were making the "Enter the Dominatrix" expansion to SR3. I distinctly remember people being worried that we're never going to see another Saints Row title again, especially when the Dominatrix was pulled and canceled.

So what they did was to try and earn back some money by releasing a new major title, SR4, while spending as little as possible to bring as much new content as they could. It does come off as a bit dishonest, but not if you realize that if Volition had no other choice - it was either that or closing down their business. Now, I'm not sure just how much influence Deep Silver had on Volition, being their publishers, but as I generally despise ALL game publishers I wouldn't be surprised if this decision was enforced.

It's true that while there have been fairly little improvements, it IS a good sequel to SR3 because it brings all the familiar things back while adding new gameplay types that have a lot of replay value.

But I don't think things would be looking up for Volition even if SR4 sells well. Now, starting fresh sounds like a good idea: if people loved the original Saints Row so much, do back to that formula and try to bring in something original, unlike GTA5's "super amazing magical mini games of buy and sell real estate" ZOMG /fail
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24 Sep 2013   #20
Maguscreed

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Gornot View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Maguscreed View Post
Saint's row 3 was a masterpiece of insanity and fun, 4 I have to admit is basically saint's row 3, plus some mechanics from prototype 2 and spiderman.
The thing that bothered me most about it was the appalling lack of content that is original to it. It's really an expansion for saint's row 3, and charging full game price for it is a bad move and maybe even a tad dishonest.
The problem with SR4 is that Volition was already falling apart while they were making the "Enter the Dominatrix" expansion to SR3. I distinctly remember people being worried that we're never going to see another Saints Row title again, especially when the Dominatrix was pulled and canceled.

So what they did was to try and earn back some money by releasing a new major title, SR4, while spending as little as possible to bring as much new content as they could. It does come off as a bit dishonest, but not if you realize that if Volition had no other choice - it was either that or closing down their business. Now, I'm not sure just how much influence Deep Silver had on Volition, being their publishers, but as I generally despise ALL game publishers I wouldn't be surprised if this decision was enforced.

It's true that while there have been fairly little improvements, it IS a good sequel to SR3 because it brings all the familiar things back while adding new gameplay types that have a lot of replay value.

But I don't think things would be looking up for Volition even if SR4 sells well. Now, starting fresh sounds like a good idea: if people loved the original Saints Row so much, do back to that formula and try to bring in something original, unlike GTA5's "super amazing magical mini games of buy and sell real estate" ZOMG /fail
I've only dealt with a handful of games deep silver was behind. The most recent aside from this was TERA. God they destroyed everything about that game. Deep Silver seems to have very deep pockets, and I do think they price gouge at every chance they get. It wouldn't surprise me if they are the ones that actually set the release price.
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