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Windows 7: Should I get the FX 6300 for BF4 ?

09 Dec 2013   #11
Contrabardus

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Solarstarshines View Post
Well i will just have to correct alot of this speculation per say

AMD has designed all FX chips to run above 4GHZ for ever how long you choose it was built for overclocking purposes that is why they are Black editions chips now if you run a CPU over the rated voltage for too long that will in fact degrade a cpu

Most of Modern day CPU's will be overclockable due to today's tech and it's easier to do then yester year
As long as you don't go over the required voltage you can overclock the piss out of it and if you do burn it up call AMD they will give you another

It would be better to upgrade to the 6350 or 8320 they are actually full 4core cpu's with 2 or 4 shadow cores

Now moving along the performance will be much greater pairing the right card and cpu together 6350 and 8300 chips run better with 7800 and 7900 series

I am sorry but i must call foul too i run both platforms and saying overclocking a cpu to 4ghz will harm it is a myth unless you are using something from 2005
I didn't say it would burn it out and destroy his computer. I said it would shorten the lifespan of his CPU, and it will. OCing anything shortens it's lifespan. The harder you run something, the more it shortens the lifespan. Just because a CPU is designed so it can run at 4.0 does not mean that it won't run for longer at 3.4.

My main point wasn't that OP's PC was in danger because OCing is 'bad', but rather that he was wasting power, which costs money, needlessly shortening the lifespan of his hardware [even if by only a minor amount] and OCing to a level that has no advantage to what he's doing with his PC and going beyond the point that his other hardware would be able take advantage of it anyway. It's a waste of time and energy [literally] for him to OC to 4.0. There's no real benefit to doing so.

I'd agree that an upgraded quad core CPU would not hurt, but I also don't see any benefit to doing so considering the current hardware. OP is looking for a FPS boost, and upgrading the CPU won't achieve that goal. The only way OP is going to see any significant performance boost is by upgrading his current GPU. The CPU and Ram are both good enough that the 7870 can run at maximum efficiency and would simply be a bottleneck to any further upgrade to the CPU anyway.

There's no good reason to spend money on a CPU upgrade considering OP already has a 3.7 ghz quad core installed. Even with an upgraded GPU there wouldn't be any need to upgrade the CPU. It's plenty to handle any GPU on the market and tear through any game currently released and probably anything on the near horizon as well.

I still think the root of the FPS problem, such as it is, is most likely a result of the servers OP is using or the connection speed being a bit lower than optimal. The current hardware is more than good enough to run BF 4, Crysis 3, and whatever else OP wants to play at above low settings at max FPS easily. I don't see how it's a hardware problem unless something is broken.


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09 Dec 2013   #12
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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Devlin1888 View Post
The naked eye cant see more than 60fps mate, so any higher than that doesnt make it better, I agree, saving for an intel quad core would be a good idea and is what i would do, but some people are set on amd so id go with the cpu you said in the OP, future proofing for me would be essential, the gpu he has is good, my brothers 1100t uses all 6 cores on bf4,bf3, crysis 3 etc
Intel uses a different kind of socket and wouldn't be compatible. If OP is running an AMD CPU then OP must continue to use AMD unless the MoBo is upgraded as well.

Also, just because a game can run on a 6 core system does not mean it's optimal or better. I run BF3, BF4, Crysis 3, etc at maxed out settings easily on my quad core. 6 cores does not currently provide any performance advantage of any kind in any game. It's just that some newer titles are coded to accept 6 cores to prevent incompatibility issues.
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09 Dec 2013   #13
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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Solarstarshines View Post
Actually Tri fire delivers bad scaling if you used two of them it would run a lot higher then all three together gaming it's weird that way

Gaming online comes down to server and connect pretty much but also drivers will play a big role
Since your card is about 2 years old it should be pretty optimal

In case i would go ahead and use the Raptr app AMD is pushing it will even optimize even more basicly i gather this is there mantle and check if you have frame pacing enabled if it is take it off you are on running single GPU configuration
I usually run on one or two cards. Most of the time there's no point to running all three, or even two of them to be honest. Most games will run at maxed out settings on one card, a scant handful need two for Ultra settings, and I only ever need three cards for maxed out settings on a seriously heavily 4k texture modded Skyrim with ini settings cranked beyond Ultra, or benchmarking program.

Three cards do run better than they used to with the newer drivers. It's currently overkill for anything that isn't modded to stupid levels or to run benchmarking programs for insane score ratings for bragging rights. Currently a 3 card setup is pretty useless considering I'm using such high end cards anyway.

It's future proofing, but I knew that when I did it and didn't expect any real advantage to be gained immediately from having a tri-card setup. I don't expect it to be useful for a couple of years at least.
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09 Dec 2013   #14
Solarstarshines

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Contrabardus View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Solarstarshines View Post
Actually Tri fire delivers bad scaling if you used two of them it would run a lot higher then all three together gaming it's weird that way

Gaming online comes down to server and connect pretty much but also drivers will play a big role
Since your card is about 2 years old it should be pretty optimal

In case i would go ahead and use the Raptr app AMD is pushing it will even optimize even more basicly i gather this is there mantle and check if you have frame pacing enabled if it is take it off you are on running single GPU configuration
I usually run on one or two cards. Most of the time there's no point to running all three, or even two of them to be honest. Most games will run at maxed out settings on one card, a scant handful need two for Ultra settings, and I only ever need three cards for maxed out settings on a seriously heavily 4k texture modded Skyrim with ini settings cranked beyond Ultra, or benchmarking program.

Three cards do run better than they used to with the newer drivers. It's currently overkill for anything that isn't modded to stupid levels or to run benchmarking programs for insane score ratings for bragging rights. Currently a 3 card setup is pretty useless considering I'm using such high end cards anyway.

It's future proofing, but I knew that when I did it and didn't expect any real advantage to be gained immediately from having a tri-card setup. I don't expect it to be useful for a couple of years at least.
Yeah i have often wanted to get a third card or better cards but seriously the only way you can tell them apart if benching them game performance shows little increase and if you have a overclock on them they are running a lot faster so in sense unless you really start having bad performance no need to get the latest and greatest
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09 Dec 2013   #15
RazzerCro

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Well,alot of you are telling me to stick to my current CPU and to just get a better GPU. But,since the Croatian gaming market isn't that big,couldn't I just crossfire my Sapphire 7870 Dual X OC ? I mean,I'd have 2 GPU's ,isn't that better than a single let's say 680 or 7970 ?
Thanks for helping me guys ! I really appreciate it <3
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09 Dec 2013   #16
Solarstarshines

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If you can crossfire that would be best and it would boost performance by alot
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09 Dec 2013   #17
Contrabardus

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by RazzerCro View Post
Well,alot of you are telling me to stick to my current CPU and to just get a better GPU. But,since the Croatian gaming market isn't that big,couldn't I just crossfire my Sapphire 7870 Dual X OC ? I mean,I'd have 2 GPU's ,isn't that better than a single let's say 680 or 7970 ?
Thanks for helping me guys ! I really appreciate it <3
Yes. It would be more powerful.

Just make sure you have room in your case and that your PSU can handle it. Xfire requires more room and power. So for a 7870 Xfire I recommend having at least an 800w-900w PSU [1000w + would be optimal]. Get extra cooling as well, two GPUs generate a lot of heat. A few cheap after market fans will do fine. No need for liquid cooling or anything like that.

Also, be aware that some games run better with a single GPU. Newer titles usually run fine, but some slightly older games don't care much for it. A single GPU is more stable than two in Xfire. However, most games that don't run well on Xfire are either old enough or have low enough requirements that you can run them maxed out on a single card anyway. So it's not really an issue, and just something you should be aware of.

Battlefield 3 + 4, Crysis 3, and the kinds of shooters you seem to like all run fine in Xfire so it probably won't be an issue. However, if you're having difficulty running something with Xfire try turning it off and using a single card.
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09 Dec 2013   #18
Solarstarshines

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After seeing your PC connection specs you need at least a good 10mb for really smooth Game play

I am being super serious here because i run over 30mb and i still get slight lagging from servers i could only imagine how much harder it is anyway you might need to optimize your internet as much as you can it will really help you on a MOP


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09 Dec 2013   #19
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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Solarstarshines View Post
After seeing your PC connection specs you need at least a good 10mb for really smooth Game play

I am being super serious here because i run over 30mb and i still get slight lagging from servers i could only imagine how much harder it is anyway you might need to optimize your internet as much as you can it will really help you on a MOP
Yeah, that was my gut reaction as well. 6 MB is the minimum for decent online gaming. 2-4 will function, but that's about it. I'm also on a 30 MB connection, but I lived with 6 for a while and it worked well enough. Most games recommend having at least a 6 MB connection but are optimized with 12 MB in mind.

Just based on the discussion I'm guessing that since he's getting framerate drops on a 7870 on low settings that it's not his hardware at fault but his connection and the servers he's playing on.

Upgrading the GPU will gain a performance boost for sure, but I doubt it's going to do anything for his framerate outside of benchmarking and single player. I don't think it's a problem on OPs hardware that's causing it, but rather the nature of online gaming and it's only made worse by a low speed DSL connection.
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09 Dec 2013   #20
Solarstarshines

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Contrabardus View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Solarstarshines View Post
After seeing your PC connection specs you need at least a good 10mb for really smooth Game play

I am being super serious here because i run over 30mb and i still get slight lagging from servers i could only imagine how much harder it is anyway you might need to optimize your internet as much as you can it will really help you on a MOP
Yeah, that was my gut reaction as well. 6 MB is the minimum for decent online gaming. 2-4 will function, but that's about it. I'm also on a 30 MB connection, but I lived with 6 for a while and it worked well enough. Most games recommend having at least a 6 MB connection but are optimized with 12 MB in mind.

Just based on the discussion I'm guessing that since he's getting framerate drops on a 7870 on low settings that it's not his hardware at fault but his connection and the servers he's playing on.

Upgrading the GPU will gain a performance boost for sure, but I doubt it's going to do anything for his framerate outside of benchmarking and single player. I don't think it's a problem on OPs hardware that's causing it, but rather the nature of online gaming and it's only made worse by a low speed DSL connection.

Yup I 2nd that that connection is pretty bad and will kill any game low spec or not if it's a MMOP
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