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Windows 7: Should I get the FX 6300 for BF4 ?

09 Dec 2013   #1

Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit
 
 
Should I get the FX 6300 for BF4 ?

Greetings ! My birthday is in 2 days so im buying a new CPU.
I've been thinking of buying the AMD FX 6300 and OC-ing it on the stock cooler from 3.5GHz to 3.7 GHz,but is it able to run BF4 on the lowest settings at 60+FPS ?

My future PC configuration :
AMD FX 6300 3.7 GHz
Sapphire HD 7870 Dual X OC ( I OC'ed it from 1 000mhz to 1 100mhz)
8 GB DDR3
AsusTek M5A78M-LE
Some Asus 500W PSU


I always run games at the lowest settings ( BF3, BO2,MW3,MW2...) . I just want to have a high FPS,that's it.FPS is more important to me than graphics.

Thanks in advance <3

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09 Dec 2013   #2

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No, definitely not.

In fact, you need to roll back what you're doing a little because it's not helping you in any way to run your PC that way.

You've already got a FX 4100 Quad core @ 3.6. That is about as good as you're going to get in a gaming CPU.

No games use 6 cores. None. There is absolutely no benefit to gaming from having 6 cores. In fact, it can cause problems. The extra cores confuse some games and can lead to bugs and glitches. No game will receive a performance boost from the extra cores.

If anything going from a quad core to a six core will result in a performance drop. There is no game in existence that uses six cores, meaning that at best the CPU will run on 4 of them. So, even with an OCed CPU @3.7 you'll actually be running at a lower speed because two of the cores will be inactive.

In fact, you should turn off your overclocking. 4.0 ghz looks nice on paper, but has no benefit to gaming at all. No game needs more than 3.0 and the most a modern game will take advantage of is 3.4. Bumping the CPU up to 4.0 won't boost FPS ratings on anything but a benchmarking program. No game is coded to take advantage of that kind of CPU speed and you're wasting power and shortening the life of your CPU running it like that.

Not only is it not good to run your CPU at 4.0, but there's no benefit to it. 4.0 is beyond your GPU's capabilities. It's not powerful enough to take advantage of a 4.0 OCed CPU. You'd need a Multi-GPU setup or one of those Uber dual cards to reap any benefit from that kind of speed. Put simply, any benefit you could possibly get from running @ 4.0 is nullified by the bottleneck your GPU creates.

There is also no advantage to running those games at low settings with a 3.4 CPU, a 7870, and 8GB of Ram. Seriously, bump the settings up to medium and there will be no performance drop. Most games max out at 60fps no matter what anyway. There is no good reason you shouldn't be able to get 60fps on any game in existence at medium settings with max out FPS with what you have. You wanting a high FPS is a valid reason for turning the settings down, but you're going far beyond what you need to to reach max FPS with your CPU and GPU. They are plenty powerful enough to get max fps out of medium settings and turning things down the lowest settings isn't going to squeeze out any more.

If you're running into lag on multiplayer, it's because of your connection speed. 2-4 MB is not optimal for online gaming. It will do, don't get me wrong. Most games are built for a 6 MB or better connection. 2-4 will work, but you can expect stutter and lag using speeds that low on occasion.

Save your money. 6 core CPUs are not for gaming machines. They are for advanced rendering and animation software and heavy calculations. In other words, it's a heavy load business CPU and you'd have no way to take advantage of the extra cores playing video games. They would do you absolutely no good and are more likely to cause problems than result in a performance boost of any sort.

If you really feel the need to upgrade your PC, get a better GPU. Spring for a GTX Titan or a 7990 if you can find one and your case has enough room. Both are dual GPU cards.

If you don't want to spend quite that much check out a 7980 or a 680. Both are single GPU cards that are more powerful than what you have.

Given your system specs, that's your best option for a performance boost. You've got the hardware to take advantage of a GPU upgrade and there is no advantage to upgrading to a 6-core CPU and your hardware couldn't do anything with it even if it wasn't likely to give you more problems than performance boost when running games.
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09 Dec 2013   #3

Windows 7 Home Premium 64Bit
 
 

What do you mean by highest fps? what fps do you get on the games specified at lowest settings?
Also id go for the upgrade, bf4 recommend system requirements specify a 6core AMD Phenom 2 X6 1055t, My brother has the one up from this and it uses all 6 cores, so does crysis 3 and alot of new games going for the 6 core option future proofs your computer for even longer
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09 Dec 2013   #4

Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Contrabardus View Post
No, definitely not.

In fact, you need to roll back what you're doing a little because it's not helping you in any way to run your PC that way.

You've already got a FX 4100 Quad core @ 3.6. That is about as good as you're going to get in a gaming CPU.

No games use 6 cores. None. There is absolutely no benefit to gaming from having 6 cores. In fact, it can cause problems. The extra cores confuse some games and can lead to bugs and glitches. No game will receive a performance boost from the extra cores.

If anything going from a quad core to a six core will result in a performance drop. There is no game in existence that uses six cores, meaning that at best the CPU will run on 4 of them. So, even with an OCed CPU @3.7 you'll actually be running at a lower speed because two of the cores will be inactive.

In fact, you should turn off your overclocking. 4.0 ghz looks nice on paper, but has no benefit to gaming at all. No game needs more than 3.0 and the most a modern game will take advantage of is 3.4. Bumping the CPU up to 4.0 won't boost FPS ratings on anything but a benchmarking program. No game is coded to take advantage of that kind of CPU speed and you're wasting power and shortening the life of your CPU running it like that.

Not only is it not good to run your CPU at 4.0, but there's no benefit to it. 4.0 is beyond your GPU's capabilities. It's not powerful enough to take advantage of a 4.0 OCed CPU. You'd need a Multi-GPU setup or one of those Uber dual cards to reap any benefit from that kind of speed. Put simply, any benefit you could possibly get from running @ 4.0 is nullified by the bottleneck your GPU creates.

There is also no advantage to running those games at low settings with a 3.4 CPU, a 7870, and 8GB of Ram. Seriously, bump the settings up to medium and there will be no performance drop. Most games max out at 60fps no matter what anyway. There is no good reason you shouldn't be able to get 60fps on any game in existence at medium settings with max out FPS with what you have. You wanting a high FPS is a valid reason for turning the settings down, but you're going far beyond what you need to to reach max FPS with your CPU and GPU. They are plenty powerful enough to get max fps out of medium settings and turning things down the lowest settings isn't going to squeeze out any more.

If you're running into lag on multiplayer, it's because of your connection speed. 2-4 MB is not optimal for online gaming. It will do, don't get me wrong. Most games are built for a 6 MB or better connection. 2-4 will work, but you can expect stutter and lag using speeds that low on occasion.

Save your money. 6 core CPUs are not for gaming machines. They are for advanced rendering and animation software and heavy calculations. In other words, it's a heavy load business CPU and you'd have no way to take advantage of the extra cores playing video games. They would do you absolutely no good and are more likely to cause problems than result in a performance boost of any sort.

If you really feel the need to upgrade your PC, get a better GPU. Spring for a GTX Titan or a 7990 if you can find one and your case has enough room. Both are dual GPU cards.

If you don't want to spend quite that much check out a 7980 or a 680. Both are single GPU cards that are more powerful than what you have.

Given your system specs, that's your best option for a performance boost. You've got the hardware to take advantage of a GPU upgrade and there is no advantage to upgrading to a 6-core CPU and your hardware couldn't do anything with it even if it wasn't likely to give you more problems than performance boost when running games.


I don't really think I need a new GPU.Im happy with my HD7870 .
Also,im from Croatia,and the HD7870 in Croatia costs like a 7970 Platinum in the U.S...so yeah...

I see that people run BF4 even with the ultra settings with a 7870,with a decent FPS of course.

I think that it's just my cpu.It's the first of the FX series CPU and I was on a low budget when I bought it.
My friend is using the 6300 with a 6670 and hes playing BF4 on a higher FPS than me ://

Of course,maybe I'll just wait and collect more money,because you're not buying a CPU every week.
I've been also looking at some i5 cpu's ,like the 4670k.

Thanks for telling me your opinion mate It's really awesome when I see that admins are extremely active on the forums !!!
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09 Dec 2013   #5

Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Devlin1888 View Post
What do you mean by highest fps? what fps do you get on the games specified at lowest settings?
Also id go for the upgrade, bf4 recommend system requirements specify a 6core AMD Phenom 2 X6 1055t, My brother has the one up from this and it uses all 6 cores, so does crysis 3 and alot of new games going for the 6 core option future proofs your computer for even longer


BF3 lowest settings ,im mostly playing on noshahr canals so there's alot going on,that's why my fps ain't so good.It's from 40-90 lol


BO2 lowest settings - 60 - 150 FPS

MW3 same as BO2

Also,it depends on the game.Sometimes I just crank up the graphics ,like on Mas Effects 2 or Trine 2.
Mass Effects 2 - everything on the highest ,locked at 60 FPS ( don't know why )
Trine 2 - everything on the highest ,locked at 60 FPS
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09 Dec 2013   #6

Windows 7 Home premium
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Devlin1888 View Post
What do you mean by highest fps? what fps do you get on the games specified at lowest settings?
Also id go for the upgrade, bf4 recommend system requirements specify a 6core AMD Phenom 2 X6 1055t, My brother has the one up from this and it uses all 6 cores, so does crysis 3 and alot of new games going for the 6 core option future proofs your computer for even longer
Sorry, but I've got to call foul on this. It's bad advice.

The system requirements for both Battlefield 4 and Crysis 3 most certainly do -not- recommend a 6 core CPU. Both recommend quad cores for high performance settings. Crysis 3 recommends an i7 2600k @ 3.4 for high performance settings and BF 4 suggests an i7 930 @ 2.7 for high performance settings. Both are quad core CPUs.

BF 4 can run on an AMD 6-core cpu. It is coded to accept and use such a CPU, but it doesn't provide any performance advantage over a quad core cpu either. It's essentially running on a patch that prevents the extra cores from causing problems, Crysis 3 may also be coded this way, but again there is no performance advantage to running the game with six cores.

OP is better off saving his money and upgrading his GPU. He'll get a much higher performance boost doing that than upgrading his CPU to a useless 6 core that outperforms the current GPU installed even if it doesn't cause compatibility issues in games or a performance drop due to only 4 of the cores running in any particular title.

Games that will take advantage 6 cores are still a ways off. In a year or two it might well be a benefit to upgrade to 6-8 cores if you want to run games at maxed out settings, but currently it would provide no benefit.

There is even less reason to do so if you're not looking to run games at maxed out graphical settings considering that OP's priority is running at a higher framerate over graphical fidelity. There's nothing a 6 core gpu is going to do to boost the framerate of any game right now. Especially if it's running on medium low settings.

It might indeed future proof the PC for several years from now to go with a 6-core CPU, but it would provide no current benefit whatsoever and is more likely to cause problems. OP is better off waiting until a need arises before upgrading to something his current hardware and the software he's interested in won't take advantage of anyway.
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09 Dec 2013   #7

Windows 7 Home Premium 64Bit
 
 

The naked eye cant see more than 60fps mate, so any higher than that doesnt make it better, I agree, saving for an intel quad core would be a good idea and is what i would do, but some people are set on amd so id go with the cpu you said in the OP, future proofing for me would be essential, the gpu he has is good, my brothers 1100t uses all 6 cores on bf4,bf3, crysis 3 etc
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09 Dec 2013   #8

Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit sp1
 
 

Well i will just have to correct alot of this speculation per say

AMD has designed all FX chips to run above 4GHZ for ever how long you choose it was built for overclocking purposes that is why they are Black editions chips now if you run a CPU over the rated voltage for too long that will in fact degrade a cpu

Most of Modern day CPU's will be overclockable due to today's tech and it's easier to do then yester year
As long as you don't go over the required voltage you can overclock the piss out of it and if you do burn it up call AMD they will give you another

It would be better to upgrade to the 6350 or 8320 they are actually full 4core cpu's with 2 or 4 shadow cores

Now moving along the performance will be much greater pairing the right card and cpu together 6350 and 8300 chips run better with 7800 and 7900 series

I am sorry but i must call foul too i run both platforms and saying overclocking a cpu to 4ghz will harm it is a myth unless you are using something from 2005
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09 Dec 2013   #9

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by RazzerCro View Post


I don't really think I need a new GPU.Im happy with my HD7870 .
Also,im from Croatia,and the HD7870 in Croatia costs like a 7970 Platinum in the U.S...so yeah...

I see that people run BF4 even with the ultra settings with a 7870,with a decent FPS of course.

I think that it's just my cpu.It's the first of the FX series CPU and I was on a low budget when I bought it.
My friend is using the 6300 with a 6670 and hes playing BF4 on a higher FPS than me ://

Of course,maybe I'll just wait and collect more money,because you're not buying a CPU every week.
I've been also looking at some i5 cpu's ,like the 4670k.

Thanks for telling me your opinion mate It's really awesome when I see that admins are extremely active on the forums !!!
I'm not an admin. I've just been her a while.

At any rate. I still say don't waste your money. You're not going to see a FPS boost with a new CPU. What you currently have is overkill to be honest. Your framerate issues are most likely from your connection speed or a GPU bottleneck. Your Ram is also more than sufficient and running at a great clock speed.

I had a 6870 myself and I know that the card should be able to handle BF 3 and 4 as well as Crysis 3 at medium settings with 50-60 fps. So a 7870 shouldn't have any trouble at all.

I honestly suspect your framerate issues are not from your CPU, GPU, or Ram, but are a result of your connection speed when playing online. Especially considering the issues are popping up when playing with settings lowered to the minimum. Like I said earlier, you really want to have a 6 MB or better connection if you want lag free multiplayer 2-4 will work, but you can expect lag and framerate issues when playing multiplayer with those kinds of speed.

Honestly, even with a 6 MB or better connection you'll get lag and framerate drops on occasion when playing online. Sometimes it's not a problem on your end and the server might be the culprit. Perfection is something you'll never find when it comes to framerates and online connections.

I have a three 7970 GPU running in Xfire, 16 gb of DDR3 Ram, and a quad core that I can OC to 4.3 ghz and I still get lows in the 40s on benchmarking tests sometimes. My averages are easily 60-120+ depending on the game or test, but you shouldn't focus on the 'high' and 'low' count when benchmarking or running an FPS counter in game.
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09 Dec 2013   #10

Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit sp1
 
 

Actually Tri fire delivers bad scaling if you used two of them it would run a lot higher then all three together gaming it's weird that way

Gaming online comes down to server and connect pretty much but also drivers will play a big role
Since your card is about 2 years old it should be pretty optimal

In case i would go ahead and use the Raptr app AMD is pushing it will even optimize even more basicly i gather this is there mantle and check if you have frame pacing enabled if it is take it off you are on running single GPU configuration
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