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Windows 7: Don't pay for an nVidia gpu on an Intel chipset mobo w/ 4600 graphic

11 Nov 2014   #1
NickyCroc

Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1
 
 
Don't pay for an nVidia gpu on an Intel chipset mobo w/ 4600 graphic

Don't do what I did, buying a Lenovo 'multimedia' machine that included as standard a nVidia GeForce GT 750M discrete GPU with an Intel Core i7 processor chipset, including the 4600 graphic chip, and then waste a year trying to figure out what was wrong while my very pointed and direct questions to Lenovo hardware support were answered by talking around the issue(s). I sent a screen dump of the graphic showing the PhysX connections to video ports; strange that the nVidia had none and the 4600 had vga/dvi/hdmi.

I found this document ... too late.

http://us.download.nvidia.com/Window...ease-notes.pdf

Note on page 3 that the nVidia GPU PhysX acceleration is not available if there is a non-nVidia graphic processor in the system even if it is not being used for rendering!!!

And there's more, much more regarding the OS, VGA/DVI/HDMI, what to use and what not to use when installing drivers in Windows 7 (and 8), etc. etc. etc.

Even if you're using other hardware combos set up by OEMs, these days take nothing for granted and if you've already bought your machine but the problems won't go away permanently, don't roll over and play dead; no support, then return it. Too late, then just spread the word to help others avoid the mfg and seek support elsewhere to make the most of what you have. In the meantime read that link!


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11 Nov 2014   #2
RoasterMen

Windows 10 Pro 64-bit
 
 

Do you even need the PhysX? Most Desktop with Intel have Intel HD 4600 too
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12 Nov 2014   #3
MrNeeds

Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by NickyCroc View Post
Don't do what I did, buying a Lenovo 'multimedia' machine that included as standard a nVidia GeForce GT 750M discrete GPU with an Intel Core i7 processor chipset, including the 4600 graphic chip, and then waste a year trying to figure out what was wrong while my very pointed and direct questions to Lenovo hardware support were answered by talking around the issue(s). I sent a screen dump of the graphic showing the PhysX connections to video ports; strange that the nVidia had none and the 4600 had vga/dvi/hdmi.

I found this document ... too late.

http://us.download.nvidia.com/Window...ease-notes.pdf

Note on page 3 that the nVidia GPU PhysX acceleration is not available if there is a non-nVidia graphic processor in the system even if it is not being used for rendering!!!

And there's more, much more regarding the OS, VGA/DVI/HDMI, what to use and what not to use when installing drivers in Windows 7 (and 8), etc. etc. etc.

Even if you're using other hardware combos set up by OEMs, these days take nothing for granted and if you've already bought your machine but the problems won't go away permanently, don't roll over and play dead; no support, then return it. Too late, then just spread the word to help others avoid the mfg and seek support elsewhere to make the most of what you have. In the meantime read that link!
Your statement isn't true, PhysX is a technology, not a physical device that you can plug into, the GPU that you have in your system has PhysX capabilities, it is used when you have graphically intensive tasks(gaming/benchmarking), the intel GPU you have is a discreet chipset GPU which manages the everyday tasks (browsing/watching videos).


The driver release notes are basically saying if you don't have an Nvidia GPU, you can't use PhysX, there is only one program that I am aware of that can fully utilise PhysX, Mirrors Edge.
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12 Nov 2014   #4
RoasterMen

Windows 10 Pro 64-bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by MrNeeds View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by NickyCroc View Post
Don't do what I did, buying a Lenovo 'multimedia' machine that included as standard a nVidia GeForce GT 750M discrete GPU with an Intel Core i7 processor chipset, including the 4600 graphic chip, and then waste a year trying to figure out what was wrong while my very pointed and direct questions to Lenovo hardware support were answered by talking around the issue(s). I sent a screen dump of the graphic showing the PhysX connections to video ports; strange that the nVidia had none and the 4600 had vga/dvi/hdmi.

I found this document ... too late.

http://us.download.nvidia.com/Window...ease-notes.pdf

Note on page 3 that the nVidia GPU PhysX acceleration is not available if there is a non-nVidia graphic processor in the system even if it is not being used for rendering!!!

And there's more, much more regarding the OS, VGA/DVI/HDMI, what to use and what not to use when installing drivers in Windows 7 (and 8), etc. etc. etc.

Even if you're using other hardware combos set up by OEMs, these days take nothing for granted and if you've already bought your machine but the problems won't go away permanently, don't roll over and play dead; no support, then return it. Too late, then just spread the word to help others avoid the mfg and seek support elsewhere to make the most of what you have. In the meantime read that link!
Your statement isn't true, PhysX is a technology, not a physical device that you can plug into, the GPU that you have in your system has PhysX capabilities, it is used when you have graphically intensive tasks(gaming/benchmarking), the intel GPU you have is a discreet chipset GPU which manages the everyday tasks (browsing/watching videos).


The driver release notes are basically saying if you don't have an Nvidia GPU, you can't use PhysX, there is only one program that I am aware of that can fully utilise PhysX, Mirrors Edge.
Does Metro 2033 does it also?
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12 Nov 2014   #5
boogieboy

Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1
 
 

There are many games out there which use PhysX here are few titles below:

- Mirror's Edge (MrNeeds already mentioned)
- Metro 2033
- Metro Last Light
- Assassin's Creed III
- Assassin's Creed IV Black Flag
- Batman Arkham City
- Batman Arkham Origins
- Borderlands 2

Here you can find the official list of games that uses Nvidia's PhysX technology
Games & Apps | GeForce
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13 Nov 2014   #6
NickyCroc

Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by RoasterMen View Post
Do you even need the PhysX? Most Desktop with Intel have Intel HD 4600 too
Did you read what I wrote about the 4600? And yes, I DO need it if for nothing else than I paid extra for it and was sold a defective bill of goods; heavens, I could have gotten a 7200 rpm spindle hd instead of this 5400 rpm had I not been talked into getting this instead. Sorry, got to address another comment below....

I didn't 'have' to take the time to write this; did it as a public service but some people will listen ... and others won't.
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13 Nov 2014   #7
NickyCroc

Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by RoasterMen View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by MrNeeds View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by NickyCroc View Post
Don't do what I did, buying a Lenovo 'multimedia' machine that included as standard a nVidia GeForce GT 750M discrete GPU with an Intel Core i7 processor chipset, including the 4600 graphic chip, and then waste a year trying to figure out what was wrong while my very pointed and direct questions to Lenovo hardware support were answered by talking around the issue(s). I sent a screen dump of the graphic showing the PhysX connections to video ports; strange that the nVidia had none and the 4600 had vga/dvi/hdmi.

I found this document ... too late.

http://us.download.nvidia.com/Window...ease-notes.pdf

Note on page 3 that the nVidia GPU PhysX acceleration is not available if there is a non-nVidia graphic processor in the system even if it is not being used for rendering!!!

And there's more, much more regarding the OS, VGA/DVI/HDMI, what to use and what not to use when installing drivers in Windows 7 (and 8), etc. etc. etc.

Even if you're using other hardware combos set up by OEMs, these days take nothing for granted and if you've already bought your machine but the problems won't go away permanently, don't roll over and play dead; no support, then return it. Too late, then just spread the word to help others avoid the mfg and seek support elsewhere to make the most of what you have. In the meantime read that link!
Your statement isn't true, PhysX is a technology, not a physical device that you can plug into, the GPU that you have in your system has PhysX capabilities, it is used when you have graphically intensive tasks(gaming/benchmarking), the intel GPU you have is a discreet chipset GPU which manages the everyday tasks (browsing/watching videos).


The driver release notes are basically saying if you don't have an Nvidia GPU, you can't use PhysX, there is only one program that I am aware of that can fully utilise PhysX, Mirrors Edge.
Does Metro 2033 does it also?
So my degree is in cybernetics, what's your's in? The Intel is an in-board and the nVidia is discrete; hence, if the BIOS has discrete turned off, the nVidia is not even used but turned on, is supposidly activated and in fact goes through the motions. The notes say it just so clearly that I don't understand why you need to 'translate' them. And I won't go into the programs because thankfully someone already has.

This post of mine is not meant for the, what will I call them, the "self-sufficient". It's meant for the open-minded, willing to learn types.

I didn't 'have' to take the time to write this; did it as a public service but some people will listen ... and others won't.
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14 Nov 2014   #8
RoasterMen

Windows 10 Pro 64-bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by NickyCroc View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by RoasterMen View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by MrNeeds View Post

Your statement isn't true, PhysX is a technology, not a physical device that you can plug into, the GPU that you have in your system has PhysX capabilities, it is used when you have graphically intensive tasks(gaming/benchmarking), the intel GPU you have is a discreet chipset GPU which manages the everyday tasks (browsing/watching videos).


The driver release notes are basically saying if you don't have an Nvidia GPU, you can't use PhysX, there is only one program that I am aware of that can fully utilise PhysX, Mirrors Edge.
Does Metro 2033 does it also?
So my degree is in cybernetics, what's your's in? The Intel is an in-board and the nVidia is discrete; hence, if the BIOS has discrete turned off, the nVidia is not even used but turned on, is supposidly activated and in fact goes through the motions. The notes say it just so clearly that I don't understand why you need to 'translate' them. And I won't go into the programs because thankfully someone already has.

This post of mine is not meant for the, what will I call them, the "self-sufficient". It's meant for the open-minded, willing to learn types.

I didn't 'have' to take the time to write this; did it as a public service but some people will listen ... and others won't.
Intel made their GPU discrete since Intel HD but is still called on board because its soldered beside the CPU.
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14 Nov 2014   #9
MrNeeds

Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by NickyCroc View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by RoasterMen View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by MrNeeds View Post

Your statement isn't true, PhysX is a technology, not a physical device that you can plug into, the GPU that you have in your system has PhysX capabilities, it is used when you have graphically intensive tasks(gaming/benchmarking), the intel GPU you have is a discreet chipset GPU which manages the everyday tasks (browsing/watching videos).


The driver release notes are basically saying if you don't have an Nvidia GPU, you can't use PhysX, there is only one program that I am aware of that can fully utilise PhysX, Mirrors Edge.
Does Metro 2033 does it also?
So my degree is in cybernetics, what's your's in? The Intel is an in-board and the nVidia is discrete; hence, if the BIOS has discrete turned off, the nVidia is not even used but turned on, is supposidly activated and in fact goes through the motions. The notes say it just so clearly that I don't understand why you need to 'translate' them. And I won't go into the programs because thankfully someone already has.

This post of mine is not meant for the, what will I call them, the "self-sufficient". It's meant for the open-minded, willing to learn types.

I didn't 'have' to take the time to write this; did it as a public service but some people will listen ... and others won't.
Does cybernetics give you qualifications with windows OS and Nvidia technologies? Last time I checked it didn't, this isn't a fight about qualifications, it's about a statement which was completely false, with proof found in the same notes you linked to, the Intel on board chipset CPU/GPU combo is designed to use other discrete GPU's when it's own can't handle the task at hand, all Nvidia GPU's whether they are discrete or not use PhysX, it's not a defective part, it's a software technology designed to be used with Nvidia GPU's, if it doesn't work as advertised then it's a software problem, not a hardware fault, if you asked one of our members to help with an issue you had with lenovo to start with instead of coming to your own conclusions, this would have turned out differently.

I do appreciate the time you've taken to write this, but I stand by my previous conclusion and we shall agree to disagree, other members will see this and also come to the same conclusion as myself.
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14 Nov 2014   #10
Arc

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Microsoft Windows 10 Pro Insider Preview 64-bit
 
 

If you are not in gaming and/or 3D rendering etc, 4600 graphics by Intel is more than enough for you.

People use hardware as per their needs and requirements, mostly. I know a lot of people who are doing all their regular works with Intel GMA only; at the same time I know some people who need SLI/Crossfire despite of having Iris Pro 5000.
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