stuttering in games. (mainly valve)

sotorious · 17 Nov 2009

hipzilla said:

burger said:

Almost same setup and just tried this and seem to seem to play smooth again. The only bad thing is now I have to confront creative to fix there driver and to switch back and forth from onboard for play and creative for everything else.

So you're able to play TF2/etc. online stutter free with your onboard sound enabled? I've got my onboard sound disabled via the BIOS (has been this way since I built this system), didn't even bother to try gaming with it instead of my XFi.

Creative and their drivers have been really disappointing for a while now (there was definitely trouble with Vista as well), I wouldn't hold your breath for a fix from them.

try playing with your on board and see if that helps you, go into your bios and enable it and download the latest drivers, while disabling your other sound card.

burger · 18 Nov 2009

sotorious said:

hipzilla said:

burger said:

Almost same setup and just tried this and seem to seem to play smooth again. The only bad thing is now I have to confront creative to fix there driver and to switch back and forth from onboard for play and creative for everything else.

So you're able to play TF2/etc. online stutter free with your onboard sound enabled? I've got my onboard sound disabled via the BIOS (has been this way since I built this system), didn't even bother to try gaming with it instead of my XFi.

Creative and their drivers have been really disappointing for a while now (there was definitely trouble with Vista as well), I wouldn't hold your breath for a fix from them.

try playing with your on board and see if that helps you, go into your bios and enable it and download the latest drivers, while disabling your other sound card.

Well after pulling out my Creative X-FI card I reinstalled the on-board drivers and hooked everything back up to my stereo and guess what!! It still shutters! So right now I'm thinking it's some kind of windows7 setting. idk

Some kind service allocating audio processes? Someone in the Creative Labs forum was talking about the Audiodg.exe having a memory leak? lol idk either. I know you don't have an xfi card sotorious but im guess this is from some audio conflicts. I'm about to give up and not play for a bit.

sotorious · 18 Nov 2009

burger said:

sotorious said:

hipzilla said:

So you're able to play TF2/etc. online stutter free with your onboard sound enabled? I've got my onboard sound disabled via the BIOS (has been this way since I built this system), didn't even bother to try gaming with it instead of my XFi.

Creative and their drivers have been really disappointing for a while now (there was definitely trouble with Vista as well), I wouldn't hold your breath for a fix from them.

try playing with your on board and see if that helps you, go into your bios and enable it and download the latest drivers, while disabling your other sound card.

Well after pulling out my Creative X-FI card I reinstalled the on-board drivers and hooked everything back up to my stereo and guess what!! It still shutters! So right now I'm thinking it's some kind of windows7 setting. idk

Some kind service allocating audio processes? Someone in the Creative Labs forum was talking about the Audiodg.exe having a memory leak? lol idk either. I know you don't have an xfi card sotorious but im guess this is from some audio conflicts. I'm about to give up and not play for a bit.

and your having a problem in tf2 only??? if you disable multicore if you dont have it disabled already, also if you have an anti virus try uninstalling. does your sound loop??? or is it just a stutter and it freezes for a sec and sound is fine...

Diosoth · 18 Nov 2009

I have had no stuttering on Valve games, but I use Steam-free versions which might be a BIG factor.

Sorry, But I do not feel it's necessary OR fair to require I have an internet connection running to play an offline single player mode. It's not as if all these anti-piracy measures have even done anything to stop piracy, but they always add on needless crap for legal consumers. if the game company insists on treating a paying customer like a potential thief, then screw 'em

mushroomboy · 18 Nov 2009

Try disabling cache flushing on the drive, though I'd read what it does first so you know what your disabling. It helped me with my Fear 2 loading times, which were ****ing long.

BusOfTheUndead · 18 Nov 2009

Diosoth said:

I have had no stuttering on Valve games, but I use Steam-free versions which might be a BIG factor.

Sorry, But I do not feel it's necessary OR fair to require I have an internet connection running to play an offline single player mode. It's not as if all these anti-piracy measures have even done anything to stop piracy, but they always add on needless crap for legal consumers. if the game company insists on treating a paying customer like a potential thief, then screw 'em, I'll run a cracked version regardless.

I love reading the justifications people use for stealing. You do NOT need an internet connection running to play Steam games. You only need to activate the games once then you can play them in offline mode. It's no more work then downloading the pirated versions you are playing. You sure need an internet connection to pirate the games.

Dragoon · 18 Nov 2009

BusOfTheUndead said:

Diosoth said:

I have had no stuttering on Valve games, but I use Steam-free versions which might be a BIG factor.

Sorry, But I do not feel it's necessary OR fair to require I have an internet connection running to play an offline single player mode. It's not as if all these anti-piracy measures have even done anything to stop piracy, but they always add on needless crap for legal consumers. if the game company insists on treating a paying customer like a potential thief, then screw 'em, I'll run a cracked version regardless.

I love reading the justifications people use for stealing. You do NOT need an internet connection running to play Steam games. You only need to activate the games once then you can play them in offline mode. It's no more work then downloading the pirated versions you are playing. You sure need an internet connection to pirate the games.

Can we get back on topic?
While problems are fixed I'm still following this topic.

Maybe a Moderator could delete the posts of Diosoth and BusOfTheUndead?
Not that more people get tempted going off.

@Burger
You did try already what Hipzilla has pointed out earlier her?
https://www.sevenforums.com/sound-aud...ndows-7-a.html

Because I got an X-FI Titanium and onboard Realteak HD Audio. I had stuttering with both of them. After I removed the link between MMCSS and Audio service the stuttering disappeared. Now I have both soundcards (the Microphone support of the HD Audio is superior to the X-Fi (shame on Creative)) and multicore support enabled, and neither is even putting a dent on the performance.

However I noticed Modern Warfare 2 Multiplayer doesn't like windowed mode.
Sometimes for inexplicable reason the framerate suddenly goes down. Never happens in fullscreen. Something unique as I prefer to play most games in windows mode because of my dual display setup and performance was never an issue.

skunksmash · 18 Nov 2009

just play nice you lot........:)

hipzilla · 18 Nov 2009

I enabled my onboard sound, and yanked the XFi out of my system. I also went and reversed the MMCSS fix that I had recently applied just so the testing was accurate.

The stutter came back.

Turned MMCSS off again, and the stutter was gone.

So I'm back on my XFi (onboard disabled via BIOS), MMCSS fix is applied, and the stutter is gone. It's stupid that I'd have to disable a service and kill a registry key to play these Steam games smoothly but what're you going to do? :) Hopefully Valve will release a patch for Steam/Source Engine games to fix this, but for now this is an ok solution.

burger · 18 Nov 2009

Dragoon said:

@Burger
You did try already what Hipzilla has pointed out earlier her?
"lag" in online games with Windows 7

No, but I just did.

I put my creative card back in and edited the registry and seem to have done the trick. I'll have to play more tongiht and this week to see a long term effect. I'm glad pinstripe posted.