Modern Warfare 2 and Windows 7

hanksta2 · Nov 12, 2009

According to Wikipedia, IW is strongly considering allowing dedicated servers again...apparently nobody is happy.

Still, I don't think it justifies a rating of 90 for this game when the console versions get a 96. I mean, it's one thing to send a message, but the game looks, sounds, and controls better on a PC. That is just fact.

The single player is absolutely amazing, BTW. And that's what I buy it for. I have no interest in the MP. For me, the best MP war game is still Battlefield 2. Nobody has come close to beating it as far as open, balanced, large scale online warfare is concerned.

DarkXeno · Nov 12, 2009

hanksta2 said:
According to Wikipedia, IW is strongly considering allowing dedicated servers again...apparently nobody is happy.

There is one word in that line that just kills all forms of a dedicated servers showing up anytime soon.
Anyone could have sent that into Wikipedia that has been proven again and again.

Static · Nov 12, 2009

scubasteve said:
The bad language thing can actually be interpreted as "ability to get rid of troublemakers"...and that is a valid issue for me and my Clan.

We all know the type - they show up and start baiting people...taunting them with in-game typing, intentionally blocking doors, and harassing other players on their team with a wide range of other negative behavior. Perhaps they weren't hugged enough as children, but it happens. On my Clan's dedicated servers, we give them a warning...then a kick...then a temp ban...and finally a perm ban. On MW2, you are stuck...and if you decide to leave a game because they are bothering you, you will lose all the points that you accumulated in that map since the "host" does not upload points to IW.Net until the end of the map.

I have to come clean, I bought the dang thing. Someone in my Clan had to so we could check it out. Turns out that two of us did it...and the IW.Net thing is actually worse than I imagined. It's just about impossible for the two of us to hookup and play together...at least without extensive coordination. If I launch Steam and see that he is playing, I right-click and try to join his game and *always* get "server is full." Of course it's full, because team deathmatch on MW2 is just 6 vs 6 players...and the server fills up all six slots on both sides when the game starts. It does not leave a couple open for friends to join other friends...and folks tend not to disconnect midstream because of the aforementioned penalty.

The only way that we can hookup is if one of us "Steam chats" the other and tells them to drop out of their current game...and take the penalty. We then have to jump through a couple hoops to get on the same server elsewhere. No idea how we would get a third person in. Sure, we could create a private server...but we don't want that...because it would be a tree falling in a forest. How the heck would the dozens of other folks with whom we routinely play know about it? Yeah, more Steam coordination I suppose....for up to 12 people max for TD.

What we really want is a place that we can go to join up and play with friends and have folks come and go as they please. We have that with all other versions of COD. We have dedicated servers that at any given time have 20 or so folks on them...including 5 to 10 clan members. You can always go there and drop right in and play with other folks who you know...in an "idiot-free" environment. No hassle and you are with friends and well-behaving guests who often become friends.

I could pick the MP and SP game apart for hours after using it, but my biggest criticism is that MW2 rips the heart out of any sense of a gaming community that you may be a part of...and frankly, that is a showstopper for me. I'm not sure how console folks have dealt with this for so long. I suppose it's because country mouse has never been to the city...but after you have been part of a gaming community, it's tough to be slung around between random servers like so much fodder...and deal with 12 year-olds exorcising their demons (or sowing their oats) by harassing other players with impunity.

Your mileage may vary...but I suggest that you save the 60 beans for Bad Co 2.

It's ridiculous how badly they destroyed a game that could easily have set precedents and records and tripled their companies reputation for creating solid amazing games.

The game was literally the single most anticipated game of the century thus far with pre-orders and information on the net. And they messed with a winning combination just to try and milk it for more money.

I hope they get what they deserve, and I hope that they do allow mods and dedicated servers eventually. Otherwise I continue to boycott this game. No leaning (who takes this standard ability away? next is no crouching or prone), no playing with groups of friends, no actual warfare (6v6 is not war, it's guerrilla insurgents at best), no mods, no custom maps, and honestly just no love for the pc.

Hell, since Halo 1 or even before I can't remember, the only way to truely play ANY multiplayer is hide the minimap, increase damage, and decrease the amount of grenades, noob tubes, tanks, planes, dogs, whatever. That way you actually get to play a fun skillful game. Not just try and collect points spawning throwing a nade and dying again.

trashdog · Nov 12, 2009

Everyone gets testy with me on COD boards when I say this but IW invented the perfect WW1 FPS. Just replace all the modern weapons with single action rifles, have trenches and then people can camp on 2 sides of the map and try to shoot one another from the trenches.
I get called names even though that's how most of them play this game...lol

I do wish they'd allow more nades though I'd give up my primary weapon for 35 or 40 nades, then if you get killed myrtdom throws out all the nades you don't use and they explode instantly...lol

I read on their twitter feed that they probably will patch the game to allow dedicated servers. If they don't I know there are guys coding it for their own mod just in case.

TD

Static · Nov 12, 2009

trashdog said:
I read on their twitter feed that they probably will patch the game to allow dedicated servers. If they don't I know there are guys coding it for their own mod just in case.

TD

Source!!!!!

I want to see that. Because their Twitter (while not 100% definite obviously) is still more of an actual chance than Wikipedia since it can be editted by anyone.

Edit: and your first 2 paragraphs seem a bit far fetched. So maybe I am being trolled here. But still.

Frostmourne · Nov 12, 2009

This is why I'm switching to console gaming for now. No activation, no extra crapware when you install the software, no windows issues.

hanksta2 · Nov 12, 2009

It sounds just like the people who get bent out of shape over Left 4 Dead 2 coming out a year after the first one.

EA Sports gets away with complete BS EVERY year. Every one of their sports series is basically the exact same game, year after year, with a couple new features, tweaks, and updated rosters. And nobody bitches about boycotting the next version of Madden. In fact, people actually line up to get the latest version at midnight, ditch work, and even hold televised tournaments.

trashdog · Nov 12, 2009

I finally finished the game took 3 days and I wasn't able to read a single line of text but it was still fun to play. Just wish I could hit the right buttons and make multiplayer work...lol

TD

Frostmourne · Nov 12, 2009

I've read the new COD campaign is roughly 5hrs. That's it?

trashdog · Nov 12, 2009

Unless your old and tired and can't read the text...lol

TD

Urbwolf · Nov 12, 2009

I purchased MW2 and find it lots of fun unlocking different weps and kits, I have no graphic problems actually they are great graphics in the game runs smooth unless yes a host leaves but i have seen that one time out of countless games, Yes you cant have dedicated servers but you can host games and invite friends and also invite to games your not hosting, The old days Hosting was done by players not dedicated servers ( Ghost recon Original) so its not like its that drastic, Yes having a dedi would be nice but not all games are made specific for having clans, some are just to have fun. The game play is more a fast pace experience and 2 player coop missions are great, Shoot on the flames but i enjoy the game and think i made a good purchase, I am not saying that I wouldnt like dedi support and the such, it would be a great asset to the game, What i am saying is I like what is there to play with.

Static · Nov 12, 2009

hanksta2 said:
It sounds just like the people who get bent out of shape over Left 4 Dead 2 coming out a year after the first one.

EA Sports gets away with complete BS EVERY year. Every one of their sports series is basically the exact same game, year after year, with a couple new features, tweaks, and updated rosters. And nobody bitches about boycotting the next version of Madden. In fact, people actually line up to get the latest version at midnight, ditch work, and even hold televised tournaments.

I'm with you to a point. It is the dynamic for the time being and so it seems more kosher and allowed, but really the games DO depend on an actual real life sport that also has a YEARLY season. So it makes WAY more sense.

And I was bent over L4D2 as well. They really let L4D1's support slide to rush out the 2nd one. But that's just because they couldn't predict or foresee L4D's huge popularity. And L4D2 has a TON of new stuff. I've played the demo. It's amazing. It could not have been implemented into L4D1.

MW2 is destroyed because IW wanted it that way. No other reason.

And Steam is actually a REALLY nice program once you get to using it comfortably. I understand the hatred of installing other programs, but if you play multiple steam games, it's such a nice system. It's like AIM/MSN Messenger, a game update system, and an archive that will PERMANENTLY FOREVER allow you to re-download old games if you lose the CD or have to reformat etc.

Edit: by the way, you can add every game out there into steam and use it thru the steam network so people can see what you are playing, and keep in touch etc. Also it allows you to use the Shift-tab feature in any game. Once you get a nice friends list going it's fun to see/use.

Speaking of which. my steam ID is Staticdeath107. Just toss me an invite if you use it and let me know youre from SF.com

Lordbob75 · Nov 12, 2009

Static said:
hanksta2 said:

It sounds just like the people who get bent out of shape over Left 4 Dead 2 coming out a year after the first one.

EA Sports gets away with complete BS EVERY year. Every one of their sports series is basically the exact same game, year after year, with a couple new features, tweaks, and updated rosters. And nobody bitches about boycotting the next version of Madden. In fact, people actually line up to get the latest version at midnight, ditch work, and even hold televised tournaments.

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I'm with you to a point. It is the dynamic for the time being and so it seems more kosher and allowed, but really the games DO depend on an actual real life sport that also has a YEARLY season. So it makes WAY more sense.

And I was bent over L4D2 as well. They really let L4D1's support slide to rush out the 2nd one. But that's just because they couldn't predict or foresee L4D's huge popularity. And L4D2 has a TON of new stuff. I've played the demo. It's amazing. It could not have been implemented into L4D1.

MW2 is destroyed because IW wanted it that way. No other reason.

And Steam is actually a REALLY nice program once you get to using it comfortably. I understand the hatred of installing other programs, but if you play multiple steam games, it's such a nice system. It's like AIM/MSN Messenger, a game update system, and an archive that will PERMANENTLY FOREVER allow you to re-download old games if you lose the CD or have to reformat etc.

Edit: by the way, you can add every game out there into steam and use it thru the steam network so people can see what you are playing, and keep in touch etc. Also it allows you to use the Shift-tab feature in any game. Once you get a nice friends list going it's fun to see/use.

Speaking of which. my steam ID is Staticdeath107. Just toss me an invite if you use it and let me know youre from SF.com

The thing with steam?

I hate it now for one nasty reason: It refuses to work. Dunno why, and to be honest, I kinda don't care.
I can't really explain it. The feature and idea of it is AMAZING, but I just don't like it.

Probably because its not working.

Also, on both L4D and the 2 demo, one type of server ALWAYS freezes the game. Without fail.
Everytime.

What the ***?

So much for my $30 on L4D, and I WON'T be buying the second.

~Lordbob

DarkXeno · Nov 13, 2009

hanksta2 said:
It sounds just like the people who get bent out of shape over Left 4 Dead 2 coming out a year after the first one.

EA Sports gets away with complete BS EVERY year. Every one of their sports series is basically the exact same game, year after year, with a couple new features, tweaks, and updated rosters. And nobody bitches about boycotting the next version of Madden. In fact, people actually line up to get the latest version at midnight, ditch work, and even hold televised tournaments.

With EA Sports and the new Madden every year is complete BS but people still buy it and wait for it. With PC and consoles now having DLC you would think they would create a game that you buy for $30 and then the next year have a $15 roster update pack with some addons. Then in three years have another 30 buck game that changes the engine/game play then do the DLC again. This would save EA millions in printing fees and maybe we will see a better game. Ah a dream world that would be. Since people keep linning up now they will never change it.

As for L4D I think they first one was a trial run and ever was ment to be built up like it could be they threw the product out thinking it would flop, but when it hit big they took what they had left and created the game it should've been and called it L4D2.

smarteyeball · Nov 13, 2009

hanksta2 said:
EA Sports gets away with complete BS EVERY year. Every one of their sports series is basically the exact same game, year after year, with a couple new features, tweaks, and updated rosters.

People expect rubbish from EA these days. That's why less people complain

Havoc70 · Nov 13, 2009

I pre purchased MW2 and the game is awesome, graphics are really right on the money, the game play is smooth and i have used Steam for more than a year, with no issues. Steam makes it easy to get in game with buddies and is really not intrusive, hell you can turn off most of the stuff if you want to.

I purchased MW2 for the SP, the MP is just run and gun crap anyway (for me), if you guys like it more power to ya. Hell everyone has their opinion and their choices to make and that is your right.

The only aspect of MW2 that irks me is the fact they took out the "lean", who the hell doesnt use lean in a FPS? That by far has got to be the stupidest idea i have seen. Games going back at least 2 years have lean. Other than that the game is awesome and well deserving on the "Game Of The Year" title.

Just my .02

DarkXeno · Nov 13, 2009

Havoc70 said:
The only aspect of MW2 that irks me is the fact they took out the "lean", who the hell doesnt use lean in a FPS? That by far has got to be the stupidest idea i have seen. Games going back at least 2 years have lean. Other than that the game is awesome and well deserving on the "Game Of The Year" title.

Hold on here, didn't IW say it was going to be realistic?? and then they take out the "lean"..wow I use that all the time in CoD4 and WaW...

Static · Nov 13, 2009

Havoc70 said:
The only aspect of MW2 that irks me is the fact they took out the "lean", who the hell doesnt use lean in a FPS? That by far has got to be the stupidest idea i have seen. Games going back at least 2 years have lean. Other than that the game is awesome and well deserving on the "Game Of The Year" title.

The lean feature has been around like 10years. It's live caveman days of gaming that they reverted to. I like how they tried to hide it and actually did so well that no one has ANY idea lean was taken out until the day after release.

Steam should be fine once you get it working. Sorry that it's being difficult. I've never heard of a problem with steam.

hanksta2 · Nov 13, 2009

Havoc70 said:
The only aspect of MW2 that irks me is the fact they took out the "lean", who the hell doesnt use lean in a FPS? That by far has got to be the stupidest idea i have seen. Games going back at least 2 years have lean. Other than that the game is awesome and well deserving on the "Game Of The Year" title.

Just my .02

I've never understood the use of the "lean" technique. I just strafe...it's quick, and you don't need two buttons for essentially the same move.

Leaning will not save you from me. Your head still sticks out, and that's what I'm aiming for, anyway!

Now, if they wanted a real useful button, it would be the "stick your arm around the corner and fire blindly" technique that computer opponents have, and users never get.

DarkXeno · Nov 13, 2009

hanksta2 said:
Havoc70 said:

The only aspect of MW2 that irks me is the fact they took out the "lean", who the hell doesnt use lean in a FPS? That by far has got to be the stupidest idea i have seen. Games going back at least 2 years have lean. Other than that the game is awesome and well deserving on the "Game Of The Year" title.

Just my .02

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I've never understood the use of the "lean" technique. I just strafe...it's quick, and you don't need two buttons for essentially the same move.

Leaning will not save you from me. Your head still sticks out, and that's what I'm aiming for, anyway!

Now, if they wanted a real useful button, it would be the "stick your arm around the corner and fire blindly" technique that computer opponents have, and users never get.

I believe something like this was done in Gears of War where you could shoot over the top or around items without your head or body out...

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