| Windows 7: So what is this comp's bottleneck?!?!?!?!?! |
31 Jan 2010
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#21 | | Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit Southern Ohio |
Why would you even want to run at 100fps or more? You are only asking your hardware to work harder than it needs to for no improvement that can be seen.
Common mis-conception is that higher framerates = better gameplay. this isn't exacly the case.
Fact of the matter is, if you monitor has a refresh rate of 60, its physically impossible for it to display more than 60FPS.
Your GPU can draw 500FPS, but it doesn't matter because the monitor will only display 60, or whatever its refresh rate is. This is why image tearing occurs.
Instead of stressing the GPU to draw frames than never get displayed, you are much better off running Vsync (to keep the FPS at what can be displayed) and using other features to improve visual quality (that you will see) such as Antistropy and AA.
Your CPU very well may slightly bottleneck the GPUs capabilities slightly. But if you can run at the refresh rate, with some AA and AF turned, I would not worry to much about it at this point. | My System Specs |
| System Manufacturer/Model Number Custom (Self Build) OS Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit CPU Intel Core i7 2700k Motherboard eVGA P67 SLI Memory 8GB Mushkin Redline Ridgebacks @1866 Graphics Card EVGA GTX570 SC Sound Card XiFi Titanium HD Monitor(s) Displays LG W2453V Screen Resolution 1920x1080 Keyboard Saitek Cyborg PSU Seasonic x750 Case Corsair 600T SE White Cooling eVGA Superclocked CPU Cooler Hard Drives Intel 320 80GB -- Intel X25-V 40GB --WD Black 1TB x2 -- WD Blue 640GB Antivirus Kaspersky Browser IE Other Info LG BD/DVD |
31 Jan 2010
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#22 | | Windows 7 Ultimate x86-64 |

Quote: Originally Posted by Wishmaster Why would you even want to run at 100fps or more? You are only asking your hardware to work harder than it needs to for no improvement that can be seen.
Common mis-conception is that higher framerates = better gameplay. this isn't exacly the case.
Fact of the matter is, if you monitor has a refresh rate of 60, its physically impossible for it to display more than 60FPS.
Your GPU can draw 500FPS, but it doesn't matter because the monitor will only display 60, or whatever its refresh rate is. This is why image tearing occurs.
Instead of stressing the GPU to draw frames than never get displayed, you are much better off running Vsync (to keep the FPS at what can be displayed) and using other features to improve visual quality (that you will see) such as Antistropy and AA.
Your CPU very well may slightly bottleneck the GPUs capabilities slightly. But if you can run at the refresh rate, with some AA and AF turned, I would not worry to much about it at this point. VSync is a bad idea - it can limit your FPS to 30 - up the quality instead or enable triple buffering + Vsync which may work. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Sony Vaio Z46GDU OS Windows 7 Ultimate x86-64 CPU P9700@2.8GHz 1066MHz FSB Motherboard Sony branded Memory 6GB DDR3 1066MHz Graphics Card 9300M GS 256MB Dedicated (Speed) + Intel4500MHD (Stamina) Sound Card Realtek HD Audio Monitor(s) Displays 13.1' WXGA Screen Resolution 1600x900 Hard Drives 320GB 7200RPM w/ 16MB cache Internet Speed 1MB/s |
31 Jan 2010
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#23 | | Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit Southern Ohio |
Oh yes,
I did mean Vsync + tripple buffering .. just didnt specify.
thank for pointing that out | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Custom (Self Build) OS Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit CPU Intel Core i7 2700k Motherboard eVGA P67 SLI Memory 8GB Mushkin Redline Ridgebacks @1866 Graphics Card EVGA GTX570 SC Sound Card XiFi Titanium HD Monitor(s) Displays LG W2453V Screen Resolution 1920x1080 Keyboard Saitek Cyborg PSU Seasonic x750 Case Corsair 600T SE White Cooling eVGA Superclocked CPU Cooler Hard Drives Intel 320 80GB -- Intel X25-V 40GB --WD Black 1TB x2 -- WD Blue 640GB Antivirus Kaspersky Browser IE Other Info LG BD/DVD |
01 Feb 2010
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#24 | | Home Premium x64 Sacramento, California, USA |
I know all this but seeing the high numbers make me happy. On a side note there is no triple buffering in Counter-strike: Source, and with games like Call of Duty Modern Warfare having higher frame rates lets you jump slightly higher(125fps and higher, I have no idea why I just know it does) | My System Specs | | OS Home Premium x64 CPU Intel e7400 2.8GHz Dual Core, OC @ 3.36GHz Motherboard Gigabyte GA-EP43-DS3L/S3L Memory 4GB DDR2 1066 Graphics Card Nvidia GeForce 9800 GT Sound Card Realtek Surround Onboard. Monitor(s) Displays ASUS VW224, 22 Inch and Samsung SyncMaster 713v Screen Resolution Main Screen @1680x1050, Secondary @ 1280x1024 Keyboard Old Dell Keyboard my neighbor gave me. Mouse Logitech MX518 PSU Thermaltake Purepower W0100RU 500W Case Rosewill R5601-BK Screw-less Cooling Two 120mm fans and Stock CPU fans Hard Drives Western Digital WD3200AAKS 320GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Internet Speed 6Kbps Other Info Logitech X-540 70 watts 5.1 Speakers |
01 Feb 2010
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#25 | | 7 Ultimate x64 California |

Quote: Originally Posted by ccatlett1984 ... I wonder if your computer support faster ram? You are running ddr-800, if the board supports ddr-1066 you would have a large increase in transfer speed of in-ram data to the video card... Moving from 800MHz to 1066MHz isn't going to increase gaming performance; the fps difference is, literally, negligible: AnandTech: DDR3 vs. DDR2
Even when looking at the jump from 1066MHz to 1866MHz, the fps difference is only a few points: AnandTech: Memory Scaling on Core i7 - Is DDR3-1066 Really the Best Choice?
These days, it's really all about your graphics card and whether or not you've got sufficient cpu strength to push it? | My System Specs | | OS 7 Ultimate x64 CPU i5-2500k Motherboard Asus P8P67 Pro Memory 8GB G.Skill Ripjaws X F3-12800CL7D-8GBXH 1866MHz 8-9-8-24 Graphics Card EVGA GTX 570 SC Sound Card X-Fi Titanium Fatality Monitor(s) Displays Samsung S27A550H 27" LED Screen Resolution 1920x1080 Keyboard MS Natural Elite 4000 Ergonomic Mouse Logitech G500 PSU PC Power & Cooling Silencer 760 Case Lian Li Lancool K62 Cooling Thermalright Venomous X Black/Scythe S-Flex/Shin-Etsu X23 Hard Drives OCZ Vertex 3 120GB.
1TB Samsung F3.
2TB Samsung F4. Internet Speed 6MB/768 Other Info Logitech Z-5500 505 watts.
D-Link DGL-4500.
Tripp-Lite Smart Pro 1500. |
01 Feb 2010
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#26 | | |

Quote: Originally Posted by damoh hi
Ok, so to summarize, you are noticing a difference, albeit not much. The previous post regarding hdd's was spot on, and as you have 4 gig of ram CSS should be fine once loaded into ram. Thing is that a lot of servers, ( the ones i sell included) unless you specify that you want a 500fps or a 1000 fps server, they will always be setup to 100.
However with you mentioning that your real time stress tests report 90 out of game im assuming, then i would defo say were looking at a software problem. There is no reason that i can see of that your setup shouldn't be getting at least 150 fps, with that g/card. Out of curiosity, what internet connection do you have?
Ill keep looking around and report back anything i find. Short of a full reinstall ( which i think would help) this might be a bit sticky as your hardware, as far as i can see is more then sufficient to run CSS maxed out. My internet connection is 8mbs (megabits) 
Quote: Originally Posted by ccatlett1984 I beg to differ on pure hertz being the defining spec. I happen to run close to that setup, and have no lag issues at all. I only play on lan servers, but my fps never drops below 60. I really just want it to run at MINimum 60fps
It is noticeable between 30 - 60 due to volatile rates in fps. When I say the pc runs at average of 50fps, this usually means that with 3-4 guys shooting on the screen, this easily drops to 30 or even 20something. So as for asking for 100fps+, I usually mean that the minumum threshold to be raised (but since average fps is the norm, this is how i state it) If you change 211.42fps to 70-100fps (pick a number) then that is my average speed D:
Also, my FSB by CPU-Z tells me it is 201mhz
the multiplier is 11 effectively meaning i get core speed of 2211mhz (=phenom speed)
hope that helps,
Artonox
PS i have never oc this rig before since i never tried - there are too many different guides giving WAY too many different instructions over different "tech" generations and that just turns me away. | My System Specs | | OS Windows 7 CPU Phenom Quad Core 9500 Motherboard Asrock ALive NF5SLi-1394 Memory 4gb Geil pc-6400 800mhz Graphics Card Sapphire 4870 512mb Sound Card Razor Barracuda Monitor(s) Displays Samsung SyncMaster 2032bw Screen Resolution 1680x1050 PSU 600w CoolerMaster Hard Drives 1tb harddrive OS Windows 7 CPU Phenom Quad Core 9500 Motherboard Asrock ALive NF5SLi-1394 Memory 4gb Geil pc-6400 800mhz Graphics Card Sapphire 4870 512mb Sound Card Razor Barracuda Monitor(s) Displays Samsung SyncMaster 2032bw Screen Resolution 1680x1050 PSU 600w CoolerMaster Hard Drives 1tb harddrive |
02 Feb 2010
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#28 | | Home Premium x64 Sacramento, California, USA |

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02 Feb 2010
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#29 | | Windows 7 Ultimate x64. Ellesmere Port, UK. |
From an 8800GT to a 4870 is NOT that much of an upgrade. They are both about the same on performance.
The human eye can only do 24 frames a second max and that's what your favourate movies run at, so why the need for stressing your comp at 100fps when really there is no need to.
As long as the game play is smooth and responsive(depends how the game is coded) then so long as your getting 25fps you will notice no difference. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Custom Build. OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64. CPU i5 760 @ 4.2Ghz. 1.18v Motherboard Gigabyte - H55M-USB3 Memory 4g Corsair xms3 ddr3, 1600Mhz. Graphics Card Gigabyte GTX-560Ti soc edition Sound Card Asus Xonar Dx - Logitech Z5500. Monitor(s) Displays Acer 22" LCD Wide screen 1680-1050 -Samsung 42" Plasma.... Screen Resolution 1680/1050 -----1920/1080p. Keyboard Logitech G15-v2 Gaming. Mouse Microsoft Sidewinder X8. PSU XigmaTek 80plus NRP-PC702 - 700w dual 30a. Case Venus Gamers Midi Tower Case with LED Display Cooling Arctic Freezer 7 Pro Rev 2... x2 Arctic F8 case fans........ Hard Drives 2x 2TB Seagate Go Flex,
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x16 Gig sandisc flash drive,
1x8Gig sandisc flash drive. Internet Speed Virgin Media - 50mb down- 8mb up. Other Info x2 Xbox 360 wireless controllers...
Dual layer optical disc drive...
Chrome 79million
A.V = MSE |
02 Feb 2010
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#30 | | Windows 7 RTM x64 In a house |
Ok,
The most important thing when it comes to CSS is bullet registration, and tbh i may be inviting flaming, but reg and tick are the most important thing. Yes i am fully aware that people will say that there is 'no' difference between 66 tick and 100. But trust me there is. The post regarding the human eye cannot see above 25fps, yes good point. But its everything combined that gives a good CSS game. Reg, FPS, Latency and tickrate.
I think in ref to the posts about crysis etc... these games cannot be compared. I still say software is an issue here. The reason why? Simple, in 2004 when css came out, i would have sold everything i own for a phenom cpu. They hadnt even been made yet. The hardware, i still say is good enough to run CSS with over 100 fps.
But lets not overlook one thing. Higher FPS is basically a placebo effect. I can see servers running at 1000fps all day long. But i dont know many people who can get a 1000fps in css. Seen a couple hit 600 but that was it.
I still say software, something along the lines. Cos come on people, that rig should be getting over 100, never mind 40. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Made by Mastercard OS Windows 7 RTM x64 CPU Core 2 Quad, @3.8 on aircooling Motherboard XFX 750i Nforce Memory 8 Gig Geil Black Dragon Graphics Card Nvidia 8800GTX 512 x 2 in SLI Sound Card Razor Barracuda Monitor(s) Displays 2 X 24 Inch Hannsg Screen Resolution 1600x1050 Keyboard Razor Lycosa Mouse Razor Mamba, sweet as candy PSU 600 Watt Coolermaster Elite Silent Pro Case Coolermaster Storm Cooling Coolermaster V8 Hard Drives 1X64 Gig Kingston SSD Drive
2X 320 sata
2X250 ide
1X 320 External. and lets not forget the 8 gig thumbdrive :)
and a partridge in a pear tree Internet Speed Virgin 50MB. Other Info Zalman Guardian System Fan Controls
Aerocool Modern V system monitor.
And a nice bunch of stickers on the front!! All that money for something that glows blue. But thats why we do it kids. all for the bling!!
100mbit Seedbox, loving that!
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