| Windows 7: Will Windows 7, 64-bit HOG RAM? |
02 Aug 2010
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Quote: Originally Posted by Louisaz I like your logic! So why don't I simply add another 4GBs of RAM and call it a day. Sure...you just may find that you don't use anywhere near all of it. I have 2 boxes with 8GB of RAM each...and unless I am running 3+ Virtual Machines concurrently I never come close to maxing out the machine.
Most people seem huge increases from 1 to 2GB. A small increase from 2 to 4GB and almost nothing going from 4GB to 8GB. | My System Specs |
| System Manufacturer/Model Number Self-Built in July 2009 OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 CPU Intel Q9550 2.83Ghz OC'd to 3.40Ghz Motherboard Gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3R rev. 1.1, F12 BIOS Memory 8GB G.Skill PI DDR2-800, 4-4-4-12 timings Graphics Card EVGA 1280MB Nvidia GeForce GTX570 Sound Card Realtek ALC899A 8 channel onboard audio Monitor(s) Displays 23" Acer x233H Screen Resolution 1920x1080 Keyboard ABS M1 Mechanical Mouse Logitech G9 Laser Mouse PSU Corsair 620HX modular Case Antec P182 Cooling stock Hard Drives Intel X25-M 80GB Gen 2 SSD
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02 Aug 2010
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#12 | | Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8 Florida in winter, Black Forest/Germany |
The less strain you have on the PSU, the better. If you go by the old bridge builders rule, the safety factor is 3x the required.
PS: what pparks says makes a lot of sense. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number HP, Dell, Gateway, Toshiba - 4 laptops and 2 desktops OS Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8 CPU from 1.6GHz Duo to i7 Monitor(s) Displays 2x HP w2207 Keyboard with trackball - no mices Mouse Trackball mice Hard Drives 5x HDD, 7x SSD, 12x Externals Internet Speed DSL 6000 |
02 Aug 2010
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#13 | | MS Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 64-bit Austin, Texas |
Louisaz,
No. 64-bit is not a memory hog.
My suggestion: Use your 64-bit system. If YOU are pleased with the performance, then do nothing.
Everyone's needs are slightly or greatly different. Many are quite happy with the performance they get with 4GB. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Toshiba Satellite S875D-S7239 laptop OS MS Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 64-bit CPU AMD A10-4600M Motherboard AMD Pumori (Socket FT1) Memory 6.00 GB Dual-Channel DDR3 @ 798MHz (11-11-12-28) Graphics Card AMD Radeon HD 7660G Sound Card High Definition Audio Device Monitor(s) Displays Generic PnP Monitor (1600x900@60Hz) Screen Resolution 1600x900@60Hz Keyboard Standard PS/2 Keyboard Mouse HP Wireless Optical Mobile Mouse Model FHA-3410 Hard Drives SSD 119GB Corsair CSSD-V128GB2 ATA Device Internet Speed What the local pub, local coffee shop offers. Other Info Optical Drive:MATSHITA BD-CMB UJ160B ATA Device
Also have an Asus ha1002xp netbook with Win 7 Ultimate installed. |
02 Aug 2010
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Quote: Originally Posted by Louisaz Again, my current Dell, with 2GBs of RAM, a slower dual core Intel processor, and integrated graphics doesn't complain -- with smaller CAD and Sketchup files. I will have to run my existing CAD and graphics in the 32-bit mode (virtual XP machine) -- which is why I will use the Windows 7 professional -- or I must upgrade the to the 64-bit versions of the programs. IF I run them in the 32-bit mode, I cannot see how I'd have an issue. If I upgrade the programs and use large files, I'll likely have to graduate to a fast, independent graphics card and 4 more GBs of RAM. Are you sure you have to run AutoCAD in a virtual machine? Windows 64-bit can run 32-bit programs just fine. But if you use a virtual machine you can kiss any type of performance good bye. | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Alienware Aurora ALX R4 OS Windows 7 x64 (SP1) CPU Intel Core i7-3930K (3.2GHz, Turbo 4GHz) Motherboard Alienware Aurora-R4 x79 Memory 4x Samsung 4GB PC3-12800 DDR3 (16GB 1600MHz) Graphics Card Nvidia Geforce GTX 690 (Stock) Sound Card RealTek Integrated Audio Monitor(s) Displays Dell UltraSharp U3011 Screen Resolution 2560x1600 PSU 875W Some Dell PSU <.< Hard Drives Samsung P830 256 GB, WD Raptor 150GB, 2x 1TB HDDs Other Info Dell Inspiron Mini 10v (Intel Atom N270 1.6 GHz; 1GB; Windows 7 Ultimate) |
02 Aug 2010
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#15 | | Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit Southern Ohio |

Quote: Originally Posted by pparks1 
Quote: Originally Posted by Louisaz I like your logic! So why don't I simply add another 4GBs of RAM and call it a day. Sure...you just may find that you don't use anywhere near all of it. I have 2 boxes with 8GB of RAM each...and unless I am running 3+ Virtual Machines concurrently I never come close to maxing out the machine.
Most people seem huge increases from 1 to 2GB. A small increase from 2 to 4GB and almost nothing going from 4GB to 8GB. This has been my experience as well.
However, I do find that w/the 8GB it seems to use slightly more RAM overall for in-use status, and usually fills standby RAM as well, with 0 free.
Which IMO is a good thing.
Things seem slightly more responsive to me as well, (especially ALT=Tabbing etc)
Likely just the fact more RAM available and its using more of it though.
But it never really comes close to using it all as in-use. Only as standby. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Custom (Self Build) OS Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit CPU Intel Core i7 2700k Motherboard eVGA P67 SLI Memory 8GB Mushkin Redline Ridgebacks @1866 Graphics Card EVGA GTX570 SC Sound Card XiFi Titanium HD Monitor(s) Displays LG W2453V Screen Resolution 1920x1080 Keyboard Saitek Cyborg PSU Seasonic x750 Case Corsair 600T SE White Cooling eVGA Superclocked CPU Cooler Hard Drives Intel 320 80GB -- Intel X25-V 40GB --WD Black 1TB x2 -- WD Blue 640GB Antivirus Kaspersky Browser IE Other Info LG BD/DVD |
02 Aug 2010
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Quote: Originally Posted by whs If you want to keep the graphics card option open, you might want to opt for a 500 Watt PSU rather than 400 Watts. Just to be on the safe side. Probably not a bad idea. Thanks.
Louis | My System Specs | | |
02 Aug 2010
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#17 | | Windows 7 x64 (RTM via MSDN) Redlands, CA |

Quote: Originally Posted by whs The less strain you have on the PSU, the better. If you go by the old bridge builders rule, the safety factor is 3x the required.
PS: what pparks says makes a lot of sense. Note that with PSU's that's not necessarily true. PSU's become less efficient at lower and higher power draws than their rating. Most quality PSU's have about an 80% efficiency at their base rating, and that efficiency drops when pulling more or less than that load. A good rule of thumb is to size your system to draw about 60% of your PSU's continuous power rating. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number MPC Transport T2500 Laptop OS Windows 7 x64 (RTM via MSDN) CPU Intel Core 2 Duo T9300 (2.5 GHz) Motherboard MPC Memory 4 GB SODIMMS (System Max) Graphics Card nVidia 8600M GS 256MB Sound Card Realtek On-Board Monitor(s) Displays 15.4" LCD with a Dell 2005FPW 20" attached Screen Resolution 1680x1050 (15.4") and 1680x1050 (20") Hard Drives Toshiba 2.5" 320 GB 7200 RPM |
03 Aug 2010
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#18 | | Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8 Florida in winter, Black Forest/Germany |

Quote: Originally Posted by PhreePhly 
Quote: Originally Posted by whs The less strain you have on the PSU, the better. If you go by the old bridge builders rule, the safety factor is 3x the required.
PS: what pparks says makes a lot of sense. Note that with PSU's that's not necessarily true. PSU's become less efficient at lower and higher power draws than their rating. Most quality PSU's have about an 80% efficiency at their base rating, and that efficiency drops when pulling more or less than that load. A good rule of thumb is to size your system to draw about 60% of your PSU's continuous power rating. Of course you don't need 3 times - I was just joking. Your 60% rule seems reasonable but I was not aware of it. I just wing it and then a bit more beef is safer. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number HP, Dell, Gateway, Toshiba - 4 laptops and 2 desktops OS Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8 CPU from 1.6GHz Duo to i7 Monitor(s) Displays 2x HP w2207 Keyboard with trackball - no mices Mouse Trackball mice Hard Drives 5x HDD, 7x SSD, 12x Externals Internet Speed DSL 6000 |
03 Aug 2010
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#19 | | Windows 7 x64 (RTM via MSDN) Redlands, CA |

Quote: Originally Posted by whs 
Quote: Originally Posted by PhreePhly 
Quote: Originally Posted by whs The less strain you have on the PSU, the better. If you go by the old bridge builders rule, the safety factor is 3x the required.
PS: what pparks says makes a lot of sense. Note that with PSU's that's not necessarily true. PSU's become less efficient at lower and higher power draws than their rating. Most quality PSU's have about an 80% efficiency at their base rating, and that efficiency drops when pulling more or less than that load. A good rule of thumb is to size your system to draw about 60% of your PSU's continuous power rating. Of course you don't need 3 times - I was just joking. Your 60% rule seems reasonable but I was not aware of it. I just wing it and then a bit more beef is safer. Sorry, wasn't trying to step on any toes.  PSU's are probably one of the least understood of the components needed for a home-built PC. I've seem guys go out and buy these 1 kW monsters to run systems that draw 250 - 300 Watts. I try to explain to them that they will be wasting power and generating more heat inside their systems. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number MPC Transport T2500 Laptop OS Windows 7 x64 (RTM via MSDN) CPU Intel Core 2 Duo T9300 (2.5 GHz) Motherboard MPC Memory 4 GB SODIMMS (System Max) Graphics Card nVidia 8600M GS 256MB Sound Card Realtek On-Board Monitor(s) Displays 15.4" LCD with a Dell 2005FPW 20" attached Screen Resolution 1680x1050 (15.4") and 1680x1050 (20") Hard Drives Toshiba 2.5" 320 GB 7200 RPM |
03 Aug 2010
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#20 | | Windows 7 x64 (RTM via MSDN) Redlands, CA |
To the OP,
You can do what you are planning to do easily with 4 GB RAM, however, given the price of RAM compared to your entire build, and the fact that Win 7 Professional can easily see and use it, why not just go for 8 GB. That extra RAM will give you room to grow and will keep you fairly current for the next few years. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number MPC Transport T2500 Laptop OS Windows 7 x64 (RTM via MSDN) CPU Intel Core 2 Duo T9300 (2.5 GHz) Motherboard MPC Memory 4 GB SODIMMS (System Max) Graphics Card nVidia 8600M GS 256MB Sound Card Realtek On-Board Monitor(s) Displays 15.4" LCD with a Dell 2005FPW 20" attached Screen Resolution 1680x1050 (15.4") and 1680x1050 (20") Hard Drives Toshiba 2.5" 320 GB 7200 RPM Will Windows 7, 64-bit HOG RAM? problems? All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:34 AM. | |