| Windows 7: 64bit VS 32bit |
04 Oct 2010
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#11 | | Systems 1 and 2: Windows 7 Enterprise x64, Win 8 Developer University of Kentucky |
I would guess the majority of people is this thread use 64-bit OS.
Me, Layback Bear, unifex, Keiichi25, RA (side by side). WHS and Greg, what r u guys running?
**EDIT** and Deacon...
Last edited by Lemur; 04 Oct 2010 at 10:23 AM..
| My System Specs |
| System Manufacturer/Model Number Dell and Custom OS Systems 1 and 2: Windows 7 Enterprise x64, Win 8 Developer CPU System 1: i7 2600@3.4GHz, System 2: AMD FX-4100 Zambezi 3.6G Motherboard System 1:Dell 06NWYK System 2: ASUS M5A97 AM3+ Memory System 1: 8GB System 2: 8GB Graphics Card System 1: ATI FirePro V4800 System 2: Radeon HD 6850 Sound Card System 1: onboard System 2: onboard Monitor(s) Displays System1: Viewsonic HDMI 24" Screen Resolution System 1: 1920x1080 System 2: 1920x1080 Case System 1: Dell System 2: Cooler Master Hard Drives System 1: Mirrored .5B drives System 2: Seagate Barracuda ST1000DM003 1TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s Internet Speed 10 MBPS |
04 Oct 2010
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#12 | | Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1 Philadelphia, PA |
I would suggest going to x64 because you aren't able to use all of your 4 GB of memory right now. Some of the apps you mentioned would benefit from the system having access to the rest of the memory. I maintain several systems with both platforms, and Windows 7 x64 has no more or less hassles than x86. You just need to have the drivers ready for the platform you plan to install, and that's it. | My System Specs | | OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1 CPU Intel Core i7-2600 Motherboard Gigabyte GA-P67A-UD3P-B3 Memory 12 GB Patriot Extreme DDR3-1333 Graphics Card Nvidia GTX 470 Monitor(s) Displays Dell UltraSharp 2209WA PSU OCZ ModStream 700W Case CoolerMaster HAF 912 Advanced Cooling CoolerMaster Hyper 212 Plus Hard Drives OCZ Agility3 240 GB, WD5001AALS, WD7501AALS |
04 Oct 2010
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#13 | | Windows 7 Ultimate x64 and Home Premium x64 |
I use the x64 mostly to take advantage of the fact that I can use more than 4 gigs of RAM. When I was on XP, I would be running the following:
ESET Smart Security 4
Feedreader (RSS Feed Reading program)
Outlook 2003
SecureCRT
Logitech Software (G15 Keyboard drivers and software)
GoogleTalk
FireFox
Curse client (Basically for World of Warcraft)
Things start to slow down due to using higher mem programs like World of Warcraft or Planetside, which prompts more virtual memory swapping. Add to it the necessity to run Ventrilo or Teamspeak when playing those games with other people. Sometimes I want to run MediaMonkey (Media Player) to listen to music.
The consistent problem I have noticed is mostly with the larger mem using programs where there is significant transition times between switching or loading up. With larger memory pools, the virtual mem swapping isn't nearly as horrendous as before.
Now with regards to Deacon's statement, yes, you loose up to a gig worth of memory since the 32 bit architecture will not allow you to address the full 4 gigs, at the very most 3.5 gigs if you are lucky. But then again, if your memory demands aren't nearly as heavy, you don't really NEED to have x64.
And again, you can run most things in x64, but what I must disagree with Deacon is that if there are some x16 type programs you are trying to deal with, x64, from what I have read, will not let you run them. Although, technically, you shouldn't be running any x16 based programs anymore. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Alienware Area 51 Desktop and Dell Inspirion 17R (N7010) OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 and Home Premium x64 CPU Intel i7 960 (3.2 GHz Quad Core) Motherboard Alienware Intel based X58 Memory 12 Gigs (Triple Channel) Graphics Card Alienware OEM nVidia GTX 560 Ti (1.25 Gig) Sound Card Creative Labs X-Fi Titanium Monitor(s) Displays Samsung PX2370 LED 23" Monitor Screen Resolution 1920x1080 Keyboard Logitech G510 Mouse Microsoft Trackball Explorer PSU 750 Watt Power Supply Case Alienware Area 51 Desktop Cooling Liquid Cooled Hard Drives 2 320 Gig SATA in Raid 1 Configuration (System/App)
1 1 Tera SATA (Games)
1 1 Tera SATA (Data/Music/Videos) Internet Speed Cable |
04 Oct 2010
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#14 | | Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1 Philadelphia, PA |

Quote: Originally Posted by Keiichi25 And again, you can run most things in x64, but what I must disagree with Deacon is that if there are some x16 type programs you are trying to deal with, x64, from what I have read, will not let you run them. Although, technically, you shouldn't be running any x16 based programs anymore. That shouldn't be considered a hassle. By now, it goes without saying that a person should run the Advisor to check their x64 compatibility. Given the apps listed, the OP shouldn't have any problems, but that's just common sense to make sure your apps are compatible before making the switch.
If a person happens to be running any 16-bit apps, you can easily virtualize XP to continue to use those apps. | My System Specs | | OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1 CPU Intel Core i7-2600 Motherboard Gigabyte GA-P67A-UD3P-B3 Memory 12 GB Patriot Extreme DDR3-1333 Graphics Card Nvidia GTX 470 Monitor(s) Displays Dell UltraSharp 2209WA PSU OCZ ModStream 700W Case CoolerMaster HAF 912 Advanced Cooling CoolerMaster Hyper 212 Plus Hard Drives OCZ Agility3 240 GB, WD5001AALS, WD7501AALS |
04 Oct 2010
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#15 | | Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1 Hampton VA |
If you're using 4gig of RAM (or less) with a 32-bit OS that's fine, anymore and I would suggest going to a 64-bit OS. However, there are things to consider, and the major thing to consider is your video cards.
Consider this Scenario.... 
Quote: Originally Posted by sygnus21 Now,
For anyone going with 4gig of RAM and 1gig of video card memory, whether a 1gig card or 2 x 515meg cards, you really ought to be looking at a 64bit OS.
In the above scenario the math equals 5 gig, but in reality you'd really only have 3gig (or less) of accessible memory + 1gig of video memory = equals 4gig total under a 32bit OS. As you can see, you lose 1gig to the video card(s)!
This is known as MMIO (Memory Mapped Input Output).
Corsair has a good analysis of that here: http://www.corsair.com/_appnotes/AN8...e_Analysis.pdf. (do note that this is a .pdf file). Check out the "Office Block" illustrations on page 2-3.
Here's a quote from the article: Quote: In simple terms MMIO is a process by which some devices in the PC exchange data with the CPU/memory. One such device is the graphics card, which requires an amount of address space equal to its frame buffer size (the amount of memory installed on the card) to be ‘reserved’ for such data exchanges. This reserved address space is therefore not available to Windows as accessible memory. Now imagine a crossfire/SLI setup with two 1gig video cards on a 32-bit system
Anyways there is a sticky in this very forum on 32 vs 64-bit comparision here - http://www.sevenforums.com/general-d...omparison.html | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Built by me OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1 CPU Intel Core i7-950 (3.06GHz) OC to 3.8GHz Motherboard Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD5 rev 1, F6 Bios Memory 12 gig Corsair DDR3 Dominator GT Memory (3X 4GB) Graphics Card AMD Radeon HD6950 2gig (Sapphire) Sound Card X-Fi Titanium Fatality Pro Monitor(s) Displays HP ZR22w 22" LCD Monitor Screen Resolution 1920 x 1080 Keyboard Logitech Wireless Wave Mouse Logitech Performance MX PSU Antec Signature - SG-850 Case Cooler Master HAF X Cooling Noctua NH-C12P SE14 Hard Drives Primary - OCZ Vertex 4 SSD (256GB). Storage - OCZ Vertex 2 SSD (120GB) & 2TB WD Caviar Black. Internet Speed High Speed Cable Other Info Memory Timings - 1600MHz @ 8-8-8-20-1T @ 1.640 volts |
04 Oct 2010
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Quote: Originally Posted by Keiichi25 Now with regards to Deacon's statement, yes, you loose up to a gig worth of memory since the 32 bit architecture will not allow you to address the full 4 gigs, at the very most 3.5 gigs if you are lucky. The only reason to totally lose that RAM is to accept Windows' assertion that it is 'Hardware Reserved' and somehow inaccessible. We all know this is no more true now than it was when Microsoft deliberately disabled PAE with XP-SP2.
Of course there are various kernel patches around that may or may not coerce Windows7 into using PAE (or more likely cause your machine not to boot), but there also exists a very simple way to put the 'Hardware Reserved' RAM to good use.
Install Gavotte's RRamDisk 1.0.4096.5 (latest) Possible source
Run ramdisk.exe and create a 'Fixed Media' type RamDisk. The size doesn't much matter as far as I can see since the next step causes it to resize to fill the available 'unusable' RAM, but 768M is a good guess for a 4G system. Mine was sized at 768M, but in PAE mode it grew to 990MB.
Merge the included ram4g.reg to tell RRamDisk to use PAE. The .reg file contains nothing more than a setting for the RRamDisk driver that isn't on the GUI - it does not attempt to alter Windows behaviour in any way. Reboot.
Volume label of RamDisk should now be 'RamDisk-PAE'.
Create as large as possible permanent pagefile on the RAM Disk. (Don't change any other pagefile settings) Reboot.
Done - The start of Virtual Memory is now on a RAM Disk since Windows will automatically prefer this pagefile as the fastest, least trafficked volume. It isn't as fast as having the memory accessible in the conventional way, but it's orders of magnitude faster than disk based virtual memory.
Note that memory stats in Task Manager, Resource Monitor or whatever will be no different than before. Windows simply ignores that memory while RRamDisk does not.
Usage and preference of the RamDisk pagefile can easily be verified using SysInternals Process Monitor.
I've been running 7-x86 like this since forever. Totally stable. Caveat: Hibernation will not work since a huge chunk of virtual memory has no power-off persistence. 'Sleep' is perfectly fine. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number AOpen MP45 OS Windows 7 Pro x86 CPU T6600 @ 0.975V Motherboard i45GMx-I Memory 4GB DDRII-800 Graphics Card Onboard Intel 4500mhd Sound Card Onboard Realtek + SteelSeries USB Monitor(s) Displays Asus ProArt 246 Screen Resolution 1920x1200 Keyboard Cherry G230 Mouse MS Wireless 3500 Hard Drives Seagate Momentus XT 750 |
04 Oct 2010
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#17 | | Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8 Florida in winter, Black Forest/Germany |

Quote: Originally Posted by Lemur I would guess the majority of people is this thread use 64-bit OS.
Me, Layback Bear, unifex, Keiichi25, RA (side by side). WHS and Greg, what r u guys running?
**EDIT** and Deacon... Lemur, I have both. Two systems with 64bit and one with 32bit. I kind of like the 32bit better because i can run some of my pet programs that do not run on 64bit. But other than that I have no problems with 64bit.
Regarding performance advantages of 64bit I cannot provide conclusive opinions because my 3 systems are all different hardware. But they are all pretty fast - in part due to the SSDs. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number HP, Dell, Gateway, Toshiba - 4 laptops and 2 desktops OS Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8 CPU from 1.6GHz Duo to i7 Monitor(s) Displays 2x HP w2207 Keyboard with trackball - no mices Mouse Trackball mice Hard Drives 5x HDD, 7x SSD, 12x Externals Internet Speed DSL 6000 |
04 Oct 2010
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#18 | | Win7 Ultimate SP1 x64 / Windows 8 Pro / Android Mauritius |
Go with x64 as you won't have to install Windows 7 x64 later if you are planning to go beyond 4GB RAM | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Custom Build OS Win7 Ultimate SP1 x64 / Windows 8 Pro / Android CPU Intel Core 2 Quad Q8200 OC'd 3.08GHz Motherboard Asus Rampage formula LGA775 Memory 8GB DDR2 900Mhz Graphics Card Zotac GTX 460OC 2GB GDDR5/Asus EN9600GT 1GB DDR3 PhyX Sound Card Supreme FX2 Monitor(s) Displays AOC 22' Screen Resolution 1680x1050 Keyboard Prolink keyboard Mouse Prolink optical mouse PSU Cooler Master GX 650W Cooling Cooler Master V6 + 3X fans Hard Drives 3X500GB hitachi, 2TB internal, 500GB Seagate FreeAgent, 640GB Samsung Internet Speed 1MiB/s Other Info 5.1 System + 2.1 System |
04 Oct 2010
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#19 | | Win7 x 6 PC's California, Florida, Boston |
I like 32 bit better, but don't have any programs like video editing that benefit greatly from 64 bit.
Also have old hardware here which won't die and still runs fast so I stay loyal to it, and it likes 32 bit. | My System Specs | | |
04 Oct 2010
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#20 | | |
No hassles here using 64bit windows 7 on my laptop and one of my desktops. My i7 920 is running win 7 pro with 12gb of ram, oc'd to 3.8ghz and no issues. I'm not going back to a 32bit OS anymore. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Asus P6T OS windows 7 CPU Intel i7 920 Motherboard Asus p6T Memory 6GB Graphics Card ATI Sapphire Radeon 4800 Sound Card Onboard sound Monitor(s) Displays Asus VW222U (Three) Case Antec Cooling Thermaltake Spin-Q All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:07 PM. | |