Windows 7: Strange things happening on w7

HannibalUK · 17 Oct 2010

I was merly making light of the issue, but you obviously want to make a big deal out of it.

have a nice night.

mborner · 17 Oct 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by GeneO

To that I would say BS. You have no control over what programs like cceaner do.

Actually, CCleaner gives you complete and total control over what it does. It gives you every opportunity to NOT delete something. If you deleted something it was because of you, not CCleaner.

YTBOY83 · 17 Oct 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by HannibalUK

Quote: Originally Posted by gregrocker

You must have used one of the tweaks in Glary utilities, as defragging would not cause those kind of probs.

Many of us use 3rd party CCleaner and defraggers like Auslogics which are better than those utilities in Windows 7, however tweaking is another thing: Windows 7 does not need tweaking beyond normal system settings within itself.

Be warned: Tweaking will always come back to bite you in Windows 7! You cannot tweak a system this lightweight and spare without repercussions.

I agree the CCLEANER family are great and best of all FREE.

CCleaner kicks ass. It has never let me down.

techcal · 18 Oct 2010

I agree..CCleaner rocks for disk cleanup*, and gives you plenty of options wrt deletion and exclusion. Even before final deletion, it gives you a list of items marked for deletion. Anyway, I've never had a problem with CCleaner in all the years I've used it; on the contrary, it helps to quickly reclaim some 'wasted' disk space and clear out browser caches, menu links etc all from one convenient location.

As for defragging, things changed a bit with Vista and Windows 7 compared to XP. The included defraggers in both these OSs do not play well with the volume shadow copy service when the formatted logical cluster size (usually 4 kB) of the volume is less than 16 kB. There is a technical explanation for this, some of which goes way over my head, but the gist of it is that running the windows defragger can result in the deletion of older system restore points and creation of new shadow copies on the disk. The freeware defraggers also exhibit the same problem since they are pretty much the windows defragger in nicer clothing. The only exceptions are some of the commercial (not free) utilities that have shadow copy compatible defrag modes.

* I don't vouch for the registry cleaner component in CCleaner since I never use registry cleaners myself.

GeneO · 18 Oct 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by HannibalUK

I was merly making light of the issue, but you obviously want to make a big deal out of it.

have a nice night.

Sorry, I know you were and didn't mean to come over so heavy. I do think it is an important topic and (obviously) feel strongly about it.
Gene

GeneO · 18 Oct 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by techcal

I agree..CCleaner rocks for disk cleanup*, and gives you plenty of options wrt deletion and exclusion. Even before final deletion, it gives you a list of items marked for deletion. Anyway, I've never had a problem with CCleaner in all the years I've used it; on the contrary, it helps to quickly reclaim some 'wasted' disk space and clear out browser caches, menu links etc all from one convenient location.

As for defragging, things changed a bit with Vista and Windows 7 compared to XP. The included defraggers in both these OSs do not play well with the volume shadow copy service when the formatted logical cluster size (usually 4 kB) of the volume is less than 16 kB. There is a technical explanation for this, some of which goes way over my head, but the gist of it is that running the windows defragger can result in the deletion of older system restore points and creation of new shadow copies on the disk. The freeware defraggers also exhibit the same problem since they are pretty much the windows defragger in nicer clothing. The only exceptions are some of the commercial (not free) utilities that have shadow copy compatible defrag modes.

* I don't vouch for the registry cleaner component in CCleaner since I never use registry cleaners myself.

You are referring to this pre-VISTA problem?:

Shadow copies may be lost when you defragment a volume

note the above article only applies to windows server 2003

VISTA and beyond defrag is shadow copy aware:

Features of the Windows Vista hard disk defragmentation utility

Various defgraggers are VSS aware (diskeeper) but some are not (defraggler) and these latter should be avoided if you value your restore points.

- Gene

YTBOY83 · 18 Oct 2010

Personally, some 3rd party stuff is better than Windows own. Some ppl do take time and effort to better there self than others etc.

Thats why feedback and comparisons and benchmarks are a good thing.

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