| Windows 7: My Windows 7 copy looks fake. Typo on back cover. Came from China. |
06 Jan 2011
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Quote: Originally Posted by sygnus21 Hi MPC Head, sorry to hear about your dilemma and hope you get it sorted.
One thing that I'm adamant about is getting my software from reputable places, especially my OS. The way I see it, I have to put my sensitive data on that OS, my thoughts and ideas on that Office suite, my creativity on that imaging program.
Point, this is data that I value very much and looking for cheap deals in dark alleys is akin to gambling in Vegas. Let's not forget.... the house always wins.
Don’t gamble your data with spotty software vendors. You never know what they did to, or with the software, or where it’s coming from. Sometimes cheap comes with a high price.
Legitimate software from legitimate vendors equals piece of mind, and secure data.
My two cents. I didn't know counterfeit OS's even existed until this whole situation. I have been using XP since 2002, and all my OS's where preinstalled with the PC's I've bought. This is the first time ever I shopped for an OS only, since this is for my custom built tower. I'm new to the OS shopping "game"! I was just a consumer shopping on eBay like I do a lot of stuff! | My System Specs |
| OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 |
06 Jan 2011
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#12 | | Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1 Hampton VA |
Understand, and unfortunately innocent customers like you are usually the ones taken advantage of. I would say let this be a lesson learned and pass it on so that other are aware. Anyway let’s hope this whole ordeal is a misunderstanding, if not, let’s hope it gets sorted. | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Built by me OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1 CPU Intel Core i7-950 (3.06GHz) OC to 3.8GHz Motherboard Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD5 rev 1, F6 Bios Memory 12 gig Corsair DDR3 Dominator GT Memory (3X 4GB) Graphics Card AMD Radeon HD6950 2gig (Sapphire) Sound Card X-Fi Titanium Fatality Pro Monitor(s) Displays HP ZR22w 22" LCD Monitor Screen Resolution 1920 x 1080 Keyboard Logitech Wireless Wave Mouse Logitech Performance MX PSU Antec Signature - SG-850 Case Cooler Master HAF X Cooling Noctua NH-C12P SE14 Hard Drives Primary - OCZ Vertex 4 SSD (256GB). Storage - OCZ Vertex 2 SSD (120GB) & 2TB WD Caviar Black. Internet Speed High Speed Cable Other Info Memory Timings - 1600MHz @ 8-8-8-20-1T @ 1.640 volts |
06 Jan 2011
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#13 | | Several, including Windows 7 x64 Ultimate |

Quote: Originally Posted by MPC Head
I didn't know counterfeit OS's even existed until this whole situation. I have been using XP since 2002, and all my OS's where preinstalled with the PC's I've bought. This is the first time ever I shopped for an OS only, since this is for my custom built tower. I'm new to the OS shopping "game"! I was just a consumer shopping on eBay like I do a lot of stuff! That's why a lot of people get caught, they simply don't know about or expect these things. Happens a lot more than you might think.
Wanna buy a Rolex for half price?
Regards....Mike Connor | My System Specs | | OS Several, including Windows 7 x64 Ultimate |
06 Jan 2011
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#14 | | Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1 Hampton VA |
Believe it or not I was at a computer sale where they get a bunch of vendors together in one place for those huge sales. Well to my utter surprise they had a vendor there who was actually "selling" Vista service pack 2 disks for $9.99! I couldn't believe it and actually reported him to the event staff.
Don't know what they did about it but how many unsuspecting customers got got on that one | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Built by me OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1 CPU Intel Core i7-950 (3.06GHz) OC to 3.8GHz Motherboard Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD5 rev 1, F6 Bios Memory 12 gig Corsair DDR3 Dominator GT Memory (3X 4GB) Graphics Card AMD Radeon HD6950 2gig (Sapphire) Sound Card X-Fi Titanium Fatality Pro Monitor(s) Displays HP ZR22w 22" LCD Monitor Screen Resolution 1920 x 1080 Keyboard Logitech Wireless Wave Mouse Logitech Performance MX PSU Antec Signature - SG-850 Case Cooler Master HAF X Cooling Noctua NH-C12P SE14 Hard Drives Primary - OCZ Vertex 4 SSD (256GB). Storage - OCZ Vertex 2 SSD (120GB) & 2TB WD Caviar Black. Internet Speed High Speed Cable Other Info Memory Timings - 1600MHz @ 8-8-8-20-1T @ 1.640 volts |
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My surmise would be that if the OS came from outside the US, I would say it's a bootleg copy. As far as getting your money back, I really doubt it. After all, he was/is in the "business" to make fast money and run. In the words of Fiona Glenann, "If something is too good to be true, it's best to shoot it, just in case."
I hope you get the information you're looking for. | My System Specs | | |
06 Jan 2011
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I would agree with the couple comments above - just call Microsoft. They can tell you exactly whether your copy is genuine or counterfeit. You've clearly made the effort to buy it legally, it does not seem to be illegal to buy software on eBay per se, moreover, the activation and automatic "genuine-ness" test were successful. So in fact, you suspicions are based on that eBay email, sent to you after the sale was concluded and some typographic flaws of the package. The place of origin in my opinion is less suspicious - after all, 90% of stuff in your house is from China. So, if you just tell all that to Microsoft, I am sure they will be willing to help you establish whether your software is in fact fake or real, and will probably give you a legal copy for your effort. In any case, it's a free call. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Dell Inspiron 530 OS Windows 7 Ultimate (x64) CPU Q6600 Memory 8 GB Graphics Card ATI Radeon HD 2600 XT Monitor(s) Displays Samsung Syncmaster P2450 Screen Resolution 1920x1080 Hard Drives Samsung HD103UJ
Samsung HD501LJ Internet Speed 25 Mb/s |
06 Jan 2011
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#17 | | Windows 7 x86/x64, Server 2008r2, Web Server 2008 |

Quote: Originally Posted by Mike Connor QUOTE Counterfeit software Show all How can I report counterfeit software?
Software counterfeiting harms unsuspecting people, legitimate businesses, and our economy. If you feel that you might have inadvertently received counterfeit software, or if you have information about a person, business, or online site that might be selling counterfeit software, you can file an online report. The report you submit will be treated by Microsoft as confidential. Microsoft devotes substantial time and energy to fighting software counterfeiting, and you can be assured that we will take appropriate action in response to your report.
To file a counterfeit report, visit the Microsoft* How to Tell website.
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From; Genuine Windows: frequently asked questions - Microsoft Windows
If they bust a counterfeiter they will probably give you a legal copy as a thank you!
Regards....Mike Connor
Sadly you dont get anything.... I found a website selling blatant fake OEM (ASUS, DELL, ETC). I just got an email saying thank you and we can give you any further information regarding this. A few weeks later the website had all that merchandise pulled. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number SMN-Productions OS Windows 7 x86/x64, Server 2008r2, Web Server 2008 CPU i7 v2 3930K Steping stone 2 Motherboard ASUS Rampage IV Extreme Memory G.SKILL Ripjaws Z Series 32GB Graphics Card AMD HD 5770 Monitor(s) Displays Acer 21" and Samsung 20" Keyboard Black Widow Ultimate PSU 1000 Watt Case HAF-X Cooling 4 Fans Hard Drives Patriot Pyro 80GB |
06 Jan 2011
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#18 | | Vista 64 bit and 32 bit (SP2) Los Angeles, California + Milwaukee, Wis |

Quote: Originally Posted by unifex I would agree with the couple comments above - just call Microsoft. They can tell you exactly whether your copy is genuine or counterfeit. You've clearly made the effort to buy it legally, it does not seem to be illegal to buy software on eBay per se, moreover, the activation and automatic "genuine-ness" test were successful. So in fact, you suspicions are based on that eBay email, sent to you after the sale was concluded and some typographic flaws of the package. The place of origin in my opinion is less suspicious - after all, 90% of stuff in your house is from China. So, if you just tell all that to Microsoft, I am sure they will be willing to help you establish whether your software is in fact fake or real, and will probably give you a legal copy for your effort... I don't think so. Whether the software the OP purchased was genuine or bogus is irrelevant. He didn't buy it from Microsoft. Buying a product on eBay isn't illegal, but a vendor who sells a Microsoft product without having a license from Microsoft is liable for commiting a civil wrong -- a tort. And a buyer who knowingly purchases a Microsoft product from a vendor without a license is equally guilty. Microsoft isn't going to help the OP because the OP did exactly what Microsoft is telling people NOT to do. Microsoft is aggressively trying to protect its products from sellers who are not licensed by Microsoft to sell its products. This OP went to a 3rd party seller to buy a Microsoft product at a lower price. And got stung!!! That's what can happen when you buy one company's product from someone else. He would have reaped the benefit of buying the software for a lower price, and the other side of the coin is that he has to also bear the risk of the product being defective.
It's not that we haven't all done it --- it's just that if we do, we have to bear the risk of doing so. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number HP Pavillion dv5t (generation 1) OS Vista 64 bit and 32 bit (SP2) CPU Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo Processor T9400 (2.53 GHz Memory 4GB DDR2 System Memory (2 Dimm) Graphics Card 512 MB NVIDIA GeForce 9600M GT Monitor(s) Displays 15.4" diagonal WSXGA+ High-Definition HP BrightView Widescre Screen Resolution 1680 x 1050 Keyboard Built-in HP Mouse Built in - Synaptics TouchPad V6.5 on PS/2 Port Hard Drives 320GB 5400RPM SATA Hard Drive with HP ProtectSmart Hard Drive Protection Internet Speed Max Other Info ~ Intel Next-Gen Wireless-N Mini-card w/Bluetooth ~ Blu-Ray ROM DVD+/-R/RW ~ Integ. HDTV Hybrid Tuner ~ 12 Cell Battery ~ MS Office (Home Premium) 2007 ~ |
06 Jan 2011
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#19 | | Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1 Hampton VA |

Quote: Originally Posted by Imperfect1 He didn't buy it from Microsoft. Buying a product on eBay isn't illegal, but a vendor who sells a Microsoft product without having a license from Microsoft is liable for commiting a civil wrong -- a tort. To be clear you CAN purchase Microsoft products from 3rd party vendors/companies as long as they are licensed and authorized to do so..... otherwise Best Buy, Amazon, CompUSA, and a host of "brand name" computer stores and OEM manufactures wouldn't be able to seel Microsoft products legally. 
Quote: Originally Posted by Imperfect1 Buying a product on eBay isn't illegal, but a vendor who sells a Microsoft product without having a license from Microsoft is liable for commiting a civil wrong -- a tort. And a buyer who knowingly purchases a Microsoft product from a vendor without a license is equally guilty. I'm not sure I agree here. Yes you should always get your products from reputable dealers/vendors, but If I went into a computer store and bought a product with an OS installed I'm not going to know if the store is "legal" or not. And in reality, almost no one is going to ask to see a license authorizing the place to sell Microsoft products. I also think you need to take into consideration that the OP IS trying to find out if the item is genuine so that he can take actions against the seller. After all that is why he posted his situation here Lastly I think e-bay needs to bear some responsibility here as well since they knowingly allowed this seller to build a fan base selling presumably "fake" copies of Microsoft products. Where was that protection to customers they talk about? 
Quote: Originally Posted by Imperfect1 This OP went to a 3rd party seller to buy a Microsoft product at a lower price. And got stung!!! That's what can happen when you buy one company's product from someone else. So..... Since I bought a copy of Adobe Photoshop CS5 from Amazon.com for $169.95 instead of the $199.99 charged at the Adobe store, that makes the transaction illegal? That if the item was counterfeit I should expect it because Amazon is selling it below cost? And that I would be wrong because I didn't ask Amazon if they were authorized to sell Adobe products? Are you also stating that 3rd party vendors like Amazon aren’t authorized to sell software? I do agree that you should only get your products from "authorized" vendors, but that doesn't mean that because a vendor is selling below costs they trying to rip you off. It means are authorized “reputable” sellers trying to get you to shop with them!
My two cents. | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Built by me OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1 CPU Intel Core i7-950 (3.06GHz) OC to 3.8GHz Motherboard Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD5 rev 1, F6 Bios Memory 12 gig Corsair DDR3 Dominator GT Memory (3X 4GB) Graphics Card AMD Radeon HD6950 2gig (Sapphire) Sound Card X-Fi Titanium Fatality Pro Monitor(s) Displays HP ZR22w 22" LCD Monitor Screen Resolution 1920 x 1080 Keyboard Logitech Wireless Wave Mouse Logitech Performance MX PSU Antec Signature - SG-850 Case Cooler Master HAF X Cooling Noctua NH-C12P SE14 Hard Drives Primary - OCZ Vertex 4 SSD (256GB). Storage - OCZ Vertex 2 SSD (120GB) & 2TB WD Caviar Black. Internet Speed High Speed Cable Other Info Memory Timings - 1600MHz @ 8-8-8-20-1T @ 1.640 volts |
06 Jan 2011
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#20 | | Vista 64 bit and 32 bit (SP2) Los Angeles, California + Milwaukee, Wis |

Quote: Originally Posted by sygnus21 
Quote: Originally Posted by Imperfect1 He didn't buy it from Microsoft. Buying a product on eBay isn't illegal, but a vendor who sells a Microsoft product without having a license from Microsoft is liable for commiting a civil wrong -- a tort. To be clear you CAN purchase Microsoft products from 3rd party vendors/companies as long as they are licensed and authorized to do so..... otherwise Best Buy, Amazon, CompUSA, and a host of "brand name" computer stores and OEM manufactures wouldn't be able to seel Microsoft products legally. 
Quote: Originally Posted by Imperfect1 Buying a product on eBay isn't illegal, but a vendor who sells a Microsoft product without having a license from Microsoft is liable for commiting a civil wrong -- a tort. And a buyer who knowingly purchases a Microsoft product from a vendor without a license is equally guilty. I'm not sure I agree here. Yes you should always get your products from reputable dealers/vendors, but If I went into a computer store and bought a product with an OS installed I'm not going to know if the store is "legal" or not. And in reality, almost no one is going to ask to see a license authorizing the place to sell Microsoft products. I also think you need to take into consideration that the OP IS trying to find out if the item is genuine so that he can take actions against the seller. After all that is why he posted his situation here Lastly I think e-bay needs to bear some responsibility here as well since they knowingly allowed this seller to build a fan base selling presumably "fake" copies of Microsoft products. Where was that protection to customers they talk about? 
Quote: Originally Posted by Imperfect1 This OP went to a 3rd party seller to buy a Microsoft product at a lower price. And got stung!!! That's what can happen when you buy one company's product from someone else. So..... Since I bought a copy of Adobe Photoshop CS5 from Amazon.com for $169.95 instead of the $199.99 charged at the Adobe store, that makes the transaction illegal? That if the item was counterfeit I should expect it because Amazon is selling it below cost? And that I would be wrong because I didn't ask Amazon if they were authorized to sell Adobe products? Are you also stating that 3rd party vendors like Amazon aren’t authorized to sell software? I do agree that you should only get your products from "authorized" vendors, but that doesn't mean that because a vendor is selling below costs they trying to rip you off. It means are authorized “reputable” sellers trying to get you to shop with them!
My two cents. As long as the 3rd party vendor is licensed to sell the products, they may do so. BestBuy, Amazon.com, CompUSA, etc. all have license agreements with the authorized representatives of the products they sell. Ebay is a different story. Some vendors who sell products on eBay may actually have gone to the trouble and expense of obtaining a license, but I would surmise that most have not. And I think the public pretty well knows that. In any event, I'm sure you've heard the old adage that "Ignorance of the law is no excuse." There is truth to that. The responsibility is on the buyer to make sure he/she is buying a product from a licensed seller, not the other way around. The fact that the OP is merely trying to find out whether or not his/her software is genuine does not take away from the fact that he/she purchased the product from an unlicensed seller and now has no recourse from Microsoft because this is exactly what Microsoft is spending millions of dollars to prevent. This is BIG BUSINESS and these companies are not playing! | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number HP Pavillion dv5t (generation 1) OS Vista 64 bit and 32 bit (SP2) CPU Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo Processor T9400 (2.53 GHz Memory 4GB DDR2 System Memory (2 Dimm) Graphics Card 512 MB NVIDIA GeForce 9600M GT Monitor(s) Displays 15.4" diagonal WSXGA+ High-Definition HP BrightView Widescre Screen Resolution 1680 x 1050 Keyboard Built-in HP Mouse Built in - Synaptics TouchPad V6.5 on PS/2 Port Hard Drives 320GB 5400RPM SATA Hard Drive with HP ProtectSmart Hard Drive Protection Internet Speed Max Other Info ~ Intel Next-Gen Wireless-N Mini-card w/Bluetooth ~ Blu-Ray ROM DVD+/-R/RW ~ Integ. HDTV Hybrid Tuner ~ 12 Cell Battery ~ MS Office (Home Premium) 2007 ~ My Windows 7 copy looks fake. Typo on back cover. Came from China. problems? All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:38 PM. | |