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07-24-2009
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But, aside from looks and new features, is it better? In basic reliability (stability and [snort] simplicity) how much (if any) better is Windows 7 than XP?
Years ago I concluded XP was the sweet spot between Linux complexity and Mac oversimplification [OS simpler yes, but only because many tasks banned]. I still think so, but XP is just too unstable [something is always! breaking] and is a sour joke of complexity ["contact your IT administrator" -yeah right!] and explained. XP features either don't work consistently, are a pain to use, and/or are really badly explained.
There's a joke: "A helicopter is a collection of parts flying in loose formation." XP too. It cost me $200? up front, but since then thousands of dollars of my time wasted on maintenance and fixing its numerous self-made disasters. I'm tired of eating my money. The only alternative to slashing my computer use [groan] seems to be Windows 7.
But the previews i've seen obsess on features, are silent on the essentials of usability and reliability.
So i'm asking you to step back, consider if Windows 7 really better at all.
Please, if you don't mind: tell me in percentage terms [i.e. 60%].
Skeleton walks into a bar, orders a beer and a mop.
Why are computers like the old testament God? Lots of rules and very unforgiving.
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07-24-2009
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#2 | | Windows 7600.16385 / Vista x64 / XP |
If you've had such problems with XP, why haven't you used Vista? | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Dook1 ;) OS Windows 7600.16385 / Vista x64 / XP CPU Intel Core 2 Quad Q9300. 2.5Ghz Motherboard ASUS P5K-C Memory 8GB (4x 2GB) Corsair 800mhz Graphics Card 512mb XFX Geforce 9800GTX+ (Pcie) / Radeon 2600HD Pro (Pcie) Sound Card M-Audio Audiophile 24/96 Monitor(s) Displays 2x Hanns-G 19", 1x Generic 15", 1x 42" NEC Screen Resolution 2x 1280x1024, 1x 1024x768, 1x 1360x768 Keyboard Genius Spillproof Mouse Logitech G5 PSU Ezcool 550w Case XClio Cooling Arctic Cool CPU Cooler Hard Drives 1 x Samsung 1.5TB 7200rpm 32mb cache
1 x Seagate 500gb 7200rpm 32mb cache Internet Speed 3mb |
07-24-2009
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#3 | | Win 7 Pro x64, VM Win XP, Win7 Pro Sandbox, Kubuntu 11 |
Not sure why you stayed with XP if it was such a problem. There were other alternatives out there in the wild you could of used. Not an Apple fan, however, it seems that OS X, or a more up-to-date linux would have been better for you. Win 7 is a large step forward for Microsoft, and far easier to use then XP. Win 7 is Microsoft's new Win 95; something that a great deal of Windows users have been waiting for. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number HP Pavilion a4302f OS Win 7 Pro x64, VM Win XP, Win7 Pro Sandbox, Kubuntu 11 CPU AMD Athlon(tm) II X4 640 @ 3.0 Gbz Memory 12GB 1066MHz DDR3 SDRAM - 2x4GB, 2x2GB Graphics Card ATI Radeon HD 4350 HD Graphics/Audio with 512MB Sound Card Realtek High Definition Audio Monitor(s) Displays 1. Dell 23" SP2307, 2. Mitsublishi 40" HDTV, Hannspree 25" Screen Resolution 1. 2048x1152, 2. 1920-1080, 3. 1920x1200 Keyboard Microsoft Wireless 2000 Mouse Microsoft Wireless Mouse 5000 Case Mid Tower Cooling Standard Fans - 5 fans (very quiet) Hard Drives Int: 1 120 Gig SSD i
1 - 2.5" 500 USB External HDD
1 -1 Tb USB External HDD Internet Speed 10 Mbit (realistically 500 Kbit - 1.2 Mbit) Other Info Speakers - Bose Desktop (Excellent Sound)
1 external CD|DVD\Blue-ray Recorders/Players (Sony) |
07-24-2009
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win 7 is loads better than xp in terms of security and stability from where i am typing.
usability is something that grows with experience - if you come to 7 straight from xp, it will take you a while to find your way around the control panel etc, and the file system has changed somewhat. i've heard some people say that vista or 7 is crap because they can't find things, or they don't know how to do x,y or z; but i don't pay much attention to those folks.
once you've learned the new ways of doing things, i doubt many people would want to go back to the old!
i occasionally have to deal with xp, even 9x machines, and i'm glad when i get back to my lovely 7! | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number mickey megabyte 1234 OS ultimate 64 sp1 CPU i5 2500K 3.3@4.2GHz Motherboard MSI P67A-GD53 Memory 8 gigs GSkill Ripjaws 1600 Graphics Card amd hd6950 Sound Card creative x-fi gamer Monitor(s) Displays samsung 24" Screen Resolution 1920x1080 Keyboard saitek eclipse ii Mouse logitech g3 PSU antec 550 Case antec three hundred Cooling i'm a cooling fan Hard Drives ocz vertex 2e 60 gig, samsung f3 1tb, buffalo 2tb ext Internet Speed about 4 Mbps Other Info i love win7 |
07-24-2009
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#5 | | Win 7 Pro x64, VM Win XP, Win7 Pro Sandbox, Kubuntu 11 |
All your reasoning are on the mark "Mickey". Cannot ever see myself going backwards to any other Windows OS. Now having said that, I do have VM Ware's workstation on my computer with XP, and 2000 just in case. In case of what I don't no. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number HP Pavilion a4302f OS Win 7 Pro x64, VM Win XP, Win7 Pro Sandbox, Kubuntu 11 CPU AMD Athlon(tm) II X4 640 @ 3.0 Gbz Memory 12GB 1066MHz DDR3 SDRAM - 2x4GB, 2x2GB Graphics Card ATI Radeon HD 4350 HD Graphics/Audio with 512MB Sound Card Realtek High Definition Audio Monitor(s) Displays 1. Dell 23" SP2307, 2. Mitsublishi 40" HDTV, Hannspree 25" Screen Resolution 1. 2048x1152, 2. 1920-1080, 3. 1920x1200 Keyboard Microsoft Wireless 2000 Mouse Microsoft Wireless Mouse 5000 Case Mid Tower Cooling Standard Fans - 5 fans (very quiet) Hard Drives Int: 1 120 Gig SSD i
1 - 2.5" 500 USB External HDD
1 -1 Tb USB External HDD Internet Speed 10 Mbit (realistically 500 Kbit - 1.2 Mbit) Other Info Speakers - Bose Desktop (Excellent Sound)
1 external CD|DVD\Blue-ray Recorders/Players (Sony) |
07-24-2009
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I've been trying out a bunch of the windows 7 builds. Overall, it's more stable and substantially faster than vista (especially when dealing with network tools and files).
It's marginally faster than XP, but not massively so. The driver support is WAY better on modern hardware though - no F6 and a floppy disc/hand-built ISO to install on sata for a start...
There's been a couple of bugs, mainly drivers; my media centre pc is a bit unreliable coming back from sleep, but it's substantially more reliable than vista. Compared to XP when it first came out? Way more reliable. Compared to XP fully patched on SP3 with mature drivers? Hmm, close.
So windows 7 - what vista *should* have been. It's pretty much at the reliability of current XP (which I've found very solid the last couple of years), which some boxes more, some less. A bit faster than XP, with a bunch more features and much prettier. DirectX 10 too, of course. Much, much nicer when you have to support a lot of PCs.
Most of my PCs were xp/vista/linux boxes. Now they're XP/7 boxes, and I spend well over 90% of my time in 7. I doubt I'll ever install vista again on a PC I own, unless it's on the path to a 7 upgrade... | My System Specs | | |
07-24-2009
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#7 | | Windows 7 Home Premium x64 |

Quote: Originally Posted by dook If you've had such problems with XP, why haven't you used Vista? because he was Mojaved | My System Specs | | OS Windows 7 Home Premium x64 |
07-24-2009
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is it better 
Quote: Originally Posted by submarinus In basic reliability (stability and [snort] simplicity) how much (if any) better is Windows 7 than XP?
Years ago I concluded XP was the sweet spot between Linux complexity and Mac oversimplification [OS simpler yes, but only because many tasks banned]. I still think so, but XP is just too unstable [something is always! breaking] and is a sour joke of complexity ["contact your IT administrator" -yeah right!] and explained. XP features either don't work consistently, are a pain to use, and/or are really badly explained.
There's a joke: "A helicopter is a collection of parts flying in loose formation." XP too. It cost me $200? up front, but since then thousands of dollars of my time wasted on maintenance and fixing its numerous self-made disasters. I'm tired of eating my money. The only alternative to slashing my computer use [groan] seems to be Windows 7.
But the previews i've seen obsess on features, are silent on the essentials of usability and reliability.
So i'm asking you to step back, consider if Windows 7 really better at all.
Please, if you don't mind: tell me in percentage terms [i.e. 60%].
Skeleton walks into a bar, orders a beer and a mop.
Why are computers like the old testament God? Lots of rules and very unforgiving. Hi and welcome to sevenforums
Is it better than XP, yes and no. Lightyears better than vista, quicker than xp, and most of all its reliable. On a day to day basis I deal with ppl who have problems with win 7 but in large part once you own win 7 and make it the way you want it, its bulletproof. I have not had a BSOD, had to recover from a backup, or had many problems.
Yeah I have had driver issues, and a few problems but win 7 is still beta. I almost gave up on MS because of vista but Im in the fold again.
Hope this hlps
Ken | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number HP Pavillion dv-7 1005 Tx OS WCP ONLY CPU 2@2.4 Memory 4 gigs Graphics Card Nvidia 9600M Sound Card HD built-in Monitor(s) Displays 17" Wxga Screen Resolution 1440x900 Cooling none Internet Speed 45Mb down 5Mb up |
07-25-2009
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#9 | | Windows 7600.16385 / Vista x64 / XP |
See i don't see this lightyears better than vista crap. My vista x64 is solid as hell and it is faster at the minute since windows 7. Have you all tried vista with sp2 on? It really is snappy, it's well supported now, it's quite secure.
It definately pisses all over XP. Seriously, if you hate it you should take another look. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Dook1 ;) OS Windows 7600.16385 / Vista x64 / XP CPU Intel Core 2 Quad Q9300. 2.5Ghz Motherboard ASUS P5K-C Memory 8GB (4x 2GB) Corsair 800mhz Graphics Card 512mb XFX Geforce 9800GTX+ (Pcie) / Radeon 2600HD Pro (Pcie) Sound Card M-Audio Audiophile 24/96 Monitor(s) Displays 2x Hanns-G 19", 1x Generic 15", 1x 42" NEC Screen Resolution 2x 1280x1024, 1x 1024x768, 1x 1360x768 Keyboard Genius Spillproof Mouse Logitech G5 PSU Ezcool 550w Case XClio Cooling Arctic Cool CPU Cooler Hard Drives 1 x Samsung 1.5TB 7200rpm 32mb cache
1 x Seagate 500gb 7200rpm 32mb cache Internet Speed 3mb |
07-25-2009
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Quote: Originally Posted by dook See i don't see this lightyears better than vista crap. My vista x64 is solid as hell and it is faster at the minute since windows 7. Have you all tried vista with sp2 on? It really is snappy, it's well supported now, it's quite secure.
It definately pisses all over XP. Seriously, if you hate it you should take another look. You obviously have a truck load of RAM if you run Vista x64, I'm just wondering if it is XP x64 you are comparing with or the x86 version which won't be utilizing all the RAM?
I personally couldn't think of a bigger waste of time than to look at vista again, I mean why bother? | My System Specs | | OS Win7/XP CPU Intel Pentium 4 530, 3000 MHz (15 x 200) Motherboard Asus P5GD1 Pro Memory 2GB Graphics Card NVIDIA GeForce 7300 SE/7200 GS (512 MB) Monitor(s) Displays BenQ FP222W 22" Screen Resolution 1680 x 1050 Hard Drives SAMSUNG HD753LJ (750 GB, 7200 RPM, SATA-II) But, aside from looks and new features, is it better? problems? All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:41 AM. |  |