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Windows 7: why can't I create any file where I want it?

26 Aug 2011   #11
fseal

Windows 7 x64 Ultimate
 
 

Well... probably not.

But I may not be able to help too much furhter without actually seeing the problem first hand.

But you COULD maybe post a screenshot of the list of users on the edit permissions dlg (The one with the check boxes under allow and deny). One with your user highlighted and maybe a second, see if there is a user with a name that has "SID" in it and a LONG number. That would be the old user that actually created all the files and folders. If there is one, click on that and post a screen shot of that.

But once things go off the expected, they become much harder to try to fix over a forum


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26 Aug 2011   #12
Barman58

Windows 10 Pro x64 x2 Windows 10 Enterprise x64, Ubuntu
 
 

One major problem with a multi-boot with windows accessing NTFS data drives is that of permissions, especially on things such as System Volume Information & Recycle Bins.

Each system, (be it NT, Win2000, XP Vista, or Windows 7), will create it's own version of these system areas, Windows will combine them into a single tree for each type of system Data, I would advise that the permissions on these areas are skipped when allowing the permissions cascade.

Also as it is normally required that you take ownership on each OS in turn in order to apply permissions, you choose an OS that is likely to be your most used and set the permissions for this OS Last, Thus leaving the Ownership with this OS.

I have operated many systems with multiple Windows OS's and It is possible to get this to work but a fair amount of work is required to sort out the data partition/Drive permissions.

Example Multiple Partition system
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Example of UID from other OS
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26 Aug 2011   #13
madhatter

WinXPPro32SP3, WinXPPro64SP2, Win7Ult32SP1, Win7Ult64SP1
 
 

Attachment 172252dammit Barman58, youre making my lone synapse overheat
im not quite sure what you mean by "Also as it is normally required that you take ownership on each OS"
i have built this pc and installed every bit on it, but still i dont know how to take ownership of an OS
funny thing is that despite all the denial 4-BACKUP-S (G) seems to finally acknowledge my rights
4-DLs (H) on the other hand allowed permission changes without nagging, however the properties window has been showing the progress circle whenever moused over for ages now and looks weird too...
those numbers werent there before
i fear touching it


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26 Aug 2011   #14
Barman58

Windows 10 Pro x64 x2 Windows 10 Enterprise x64, Ubuntu
 
 

Basically in order to assign permissions on an NTFS file system, you need to be the owner of the file concerned, this ownership flag is the same as all permissions in that it is OS independent, and is stored on the actual data partition as part of the file header.

In a case like yours where you have four separate OS's you will need to boot into each OS, Take ownership of the data partition, as a user from that OS, and then assign the permissions you require.

for example
In OS1 you take ownership and assign permissions, when you log into OS2 you will find that the Owner of the data drive will show as an S......... UID, this is the unique windows User ID for the username that took ownership in OS1, and is not recognised by the OS2. you will need to change the owner to a user from OS2 in order to apply permissions. You will also need to do this for OS3 & OS4.

The ownership will end up as that of the last OS user ID set, which is why I suggested that you leave your primary OS until last as you are more likely to adjust permissions in future in this OS.

Sorry if this is confusing but permissions in multi-OS or Multi-user systems are complicated, I have seen some systems where the one data location was accessed by multiple users from multiple OS's all on one physical system, which is not a pretty sight.
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26 Aug 2011   #15
madhatter

WinXPPro32SP3, WinXPPro64SP2, Win7Ult32SP1, Win7Ult64SP1
 
 

yea, i suppose that makes sense...
i would in fact very much like to move over to this OS
however this permission stuff refuses to do my bidding
even partitions which dont flat out refuse to have their permissions changed take a while showing how they are skimming through the entire file tree and once done they do the stunt i described above at which point i rather cancel
but most of all, why does that one partition flat out refuse to let me change permissions and claim denied access?
how is that even possible?
is the only way to avoid mayhem formatting all drives anew for every OS?!
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26 Aug 2011   #16
madhatter

WinXPPro32SP3, WinXPPro64SP2, Win7Ult32SP1, Win7Ult64SP1
 
 

anyway, i might have found the key to undoing most of my plight
authenticated users
the obedient directories know them and the insubordinate ones dont
adding them seems to solve the right click menu problem
just why w7 decided to leave those out on certain partitions will probably remain a mystery forever...
so i suppose that narrows the problem down to 1 thing:
why in the name of all that is holy does 4-BACKUP-S (G) remain the sole partition that always shouts access denied upon permission editing?!
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28 Aug 2011   #17
madhatter

WinXPPro32SP3, WinXPPro64SP2, Win7Ult32SP1, Win7Ult64SP1
 
 

alright guys, a little more help here, please
i know ive been asking for a lot of attention lately, but after finding out that permissions are the the likely cause of all my trouble with w7 ive been looking around and saw others sharing my problem, but no solutions would lead me to ultimate success

adding authenticated users made a lot of the pain go away, but a lot of folders are still being difficult
you see, authenticated users always solve the issue, however sometimes the rule is not applied to all items inside the designated folder and i have to wonder why
to add insult to injury, yesterday i got flat out access denied for each item in the defiant directory, but today i am being ignored
in certain folders permission changes simply dont reach into the subdirectories
what makes it even more curious is that i can enter and change the values in a folder after folder fashion (and then the changes are applied even to the subdirectories), however for folders containing ~1000+ items this is not a feasible option
even tried to use the hidden admin account to do it
i have taken ownership of the folder and checked to include subfolders, still the permission changes are being ignored while ownership is changed properly

why oh why do permission changes not penetrate into subfolders in certain folders?!

this appears to be a duplicate of my problem (or what it used to be back when i got access denied instead of being silently ignored): ACCESS DENIED ( ownership and permission ) (just that i am not tinkering with C:\)
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