| Windows 7: Possible to configure 7 to auto-wipe files? |
16 Oct 2011
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#1 | | Windows 7 Professional x64 |
Possible to configure 7 to auto-wipe files? Hello folks,
I'm in the process of transitioning to Windows 7 and exploring the new capabilities that come with it. One feature I've long wondered about and considered potentially useful (but never actually ran into in the real world) is a OS/filesystem option which if enabled would cause the OS/filesystem to automatically perform appropriate wiping in response to events such as file deletion, the shrinking of files, shortening the name of files, completion of journaling steps, perhaps some other cases. Is it possible to configure Windows 7 to do that, be it via built-in existing capability or addon?
Note: I'm aware that there are various programs that can be user-invoked or scheduled to wipe specific files, wipe slack/freespace, that sort of thing. The feature I'm attempting to describe is one where wiping is more automated and integrated. | My System Specs |
| OS Windows 7 Professional x64 |
16 Oct 2011
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#2 | | |
Why would you need such a feature? And no Windows has nothing like that built into it. And don't see why it would need it either. | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Alienware Aurora ALX R4 OS Windows 7 x64 (SP1) CPU Intel Core i7-3930K (3.2GHz, Turbo 4GHz) Motherboard Alienware Aurora-R4 x79 Memory 4x Samsung 4GB PC3-12800 DDR3 (16GB 1600MHz) Graphics Card Nvidia Geforce GTX 690 (Stock) Sound Card RealTek Integrated Audio Monitor(s) Displays Dell UltraSharp U3011 Screen Resolution 2560x1600 PSU 875W Some Dell PSU <.< Hard Drives Samsung P830 256 GB, WD Raptor 150GB, 2x 1TB HDDs Other Info Dell Inspiron Mini 10v (Intel Atom N270 1.6 GHz; 1GB; Windows 7 Ultimate) |
16 Oct 2011
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#3 | | Windows 7 Professional SP1 32-bit Fantasyland |
The NTFS filesystem does have a journaling feature called the USN journal, which you can optionally enable for non-system partitions but which is always active on the Windows partition (and can't be turned off there).
There is no provision for wiping deleted files, and doing so would probably be rather inefficient and add a lot of disk accesses - deleting files would take as long as moving or copying them.
The only reason I can think of such a feature as being useful is privacy, and for that you might consider encrypting your system instead, for example with TrueCrypt. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Custom-built OS Windows 7 Professional SP1 32-bit CPU Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 2.4GHz, overclocked to 2.7GHz Motherboard Asus PL5D2 Memory 4GB DDR2-667 (4x1GB in dual-channel config) Graphics Card nVidia GeForce 9800 GT Sound Card Creative X-Fi XtremeMusic Monitor(s) Displays Acer Screen Resolution 1920x1200 (DVI) Keyboard Standard Mouse Microsoft wireless optical mouse PSU Antec TruePower 2.0 Case Cooler Master Centurion Cooling various fans Hard Drives OCZ SSD Vertex Plus 60GB SATA (Firmware 3.55), 64MB cache
Hitachi HD321KJ SATA, 320GB, 7200rpm, 16MB cache Internet Speed DSL; ~330KB/sec down, ~110KB/sec up Other Info Have a laptop too :) (Compaq CQ60 also with Win7 Pro SP1 32-bit)
Drives in both systems:
C: - Windows 7 + apps. Pagefile is fixed size and located at the very end of the partition.
D: - various temp files/cache for Firefox and apps/games.
E: - videos, music, misc. storage, torrent downloads, etc. |
17 Oct 2011
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#4 | | |
BCWipe has a Transparent Wiping option that does something similar - not sure if it does all that you require as I have not used it and I think there might be a performance hit. There is a forum so a search might give more information. BCWipe has quite a few other features too that might entice some like swapfile encryption and various wiping options. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Compaq desktop OS Windows 7 x64 SP1 CPU Athlon II x2 215 Memory 4.0 GB Graphics Card Onboard Sound Card Creative SB X-Fi Titanium HD (nice) Monitor(s) Displays 24" Dell LCD Screen Resolution 1900 x 1200 Keyboard USB Mouse USB PSU 430w Hard Drives 320 GB, 500 GB and 750 GB 7200 rpm Internet Speed approx 10 Mbps |
18 Oct 2011
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#5 | | Windows 7 Professional x64 |
Thanks for the replies. Since I'm new here it is possibly worth mentioning that privacy and security are interests of mine, so I frequently think in those terms. FWIW, I am familiar with Truecrypt and other tools for creating encrypted drives and containers in which files can be stored. I particularly like encrypted file containers for storing sensitive records. The well known problem with that, of course, is that the OS and applications can effectively copy sensitive data from an encrypted store and write it to a less or not at all secured media. It's one thing if an app creates and leaves a temporary copy of such a file in a known directly where it can be subsequently selected for wiping. It is another thing for an app to make a temporary copy of a such a file and then delete it, leaving nothing for the user to select for wiping. Coupled with other issues such as storage devices internally implementing wear leveling and filesystems being in the best position to know what has to be over-written in order to purge sensitive data, this makes secure destruction something that requires some OS/device support.
That BCWipe Transparent Wiping capability is interesting and I'm looking into it. Ultimately, I will likely again utilize FDE as an outer layer of protection. However, even when using that I would welcome any improvements in the ability to overwrite destroy rather than simply delete file data. | My System Specs | | OS Windows 7 Professional x64 |
19 Oct 2011
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#6 | | Windows 7 Home Premium 64 OEM |
I think this is an interesting question, BitGroomer.
It would be nice to encrypt the entire system, and have only a boot partition unencrypted. I don't think that's an option in Windows 7(but I'm no windows expert for sure), but if I understand what you're looking for then nothing on the drive would be unencrypted except the necessary boot files.
This is possible to implement on a different OS as I have set up my laptop that way, I'm interested in seeing how to do that in Windows 7. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Acer Ferrari One/HP Proliant Microserver/Random Monstrosities OS Windows 7 Home Premium 64 OEM |
19 Oct 2011
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#7 | | |

Quote: Originally Posted by giblets It would be nice to encrypt the entire system, and have only a boot partition unencrypted. I don't think that's an option in Windows 7(but I'm no windows expert for sure), *cough* Bitlocker. From all the way back in Windows Vista. | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Alienware Aurora ALX R4 OS Windows 7 x64 (SP1) CPU Intel Core i7-3930K (3.2GHz, Turbo 4GHz) Motherboard Alienware Aurora-R4 x79 Memory 4x Samsung 4GB PC3-12800 DDR3 (16GB 1600MHz) Graphics Card Nvidia Geforce GTX 690 (Stock) Sound Card RealTek Integrated Audio Monitor(s) Displays Dell UltraSharp U3011 Screen Resolution 2560x1600 PSU 875W Some Dell PSU <.< Hard Drives Samsung P830 256 GB, WD Raptor 150GB, 2x 1TB HDDs Other Info Dell Inspiron Mini 10v (Intel Atom N270 1.6 GHz; 1GB; Windows 7 Ultimate) |
19 Oct 2011
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#8 | | Windows 7 Home Premium 64 OEM |
Hmmm... I think I'd have to upgrade for that option. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Acer Ferrari One/HP Proliant Microserver/Random Monstrosities OS Windows 7 Home Premium 64 OEM |
20 Oct 2011
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Quote: Originally Posted by giblets I think this is an interesting question, BitGroomer.
It would be nice to encrypt the entire system, and have only a boot partition unencrypted. I don't think that's an option in Windows 7(but I'm no windows expert for sure), but if I understand what you're looking for then nothing on the drive would be unencrypted except the necessary boot files.
This is possible to implement on a different OS as I have set up my laptop that way, I'm interested in seeing how to do that in Windows 7. Truecrypt has been mentioned which does this and is free. From my own experience just using the encryption of partitions and containers this software is very reliable but I have not gone the encrypt-system-partition route as this does have more potential problems than benefits for me personally. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Compaq desktop OS Windows 7 x64 SP1 CPU Athlon II x2 215 Memory 4.0 GB Graphics Card Onboard Sound Card Creative SB X-Fi Titanium HD (nice) Monitor(s) Displays 24" Dell LCD Screen Resolution 1900 x 1200 Keyboard USB Mouse USB PSU 430w Hard Drives 320 GB, 500 GB and 750 GB 7200 rpm Internet Speed approx 10 Mbps |
20 Oct 2011
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#10 | | Windows 7 Professional SP1 32-bit Fantasyland |
Truecrypt has proven extremely safe and efficient for me, I use it on both my desktop and laptop for full system encryption. It's very well-written software and has never given me the slightest issue. (I donated to them too)
There are a few gotchas, mind you: If you boot from your Windows DVD, startup repair won't see any OS obviously. If you want to access it through the command prompt, you have to run Truecrypt in portable mode (say, from a USB stick) and mount the system partition before you can work with it.
It will also slightly complicate your backup strategy - if you image the running Windows system, the image ends up unencrypted. If you image the system offline (from a WinPE environment such as Macrium's rescue disc) you can image it encrypted but will have to image every sector, i.e. save a clone of the full partition into the image file.
Despite these issues, I think it's really worth it. Just takes a bit of planning ahead. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Custom-built OS Windows 7 Professional SP1 32-bit CPU Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 2.4GHz, overclocked to 2.7GHz Motherboard Asus PL5D2 Memory 4GB DDR2-667 (4x1GB in dual-channel config) Graphics Card nVidia GeForce 9800 GT Sound Card Creative X-Fi XtremeMusic Monitor(s) Displays Acer Screen Resolution 1920x1200 (DVI) Keyboard Standard Mouse Microsoft wireless optical mouse PSU Antec TruePower 2.0 Case Cooler Master Centurion Cooling various fans Hard Drives OCZ SSD Vertex Plus 60GB SATA (Firmware 3.55), 64MB cache
Hitachi HD321KJ SATA, 320GB, 7200rpm, 16MB cache Internet Speed DSL; ~330KB/sec down, ~110KB/sec up Other Info Have a laptop too :) (Compaq CQ60 also with Win7 Pro SP1 32-bit)
Drives in both systems:
C: - Windows 7 + apps. Pagefile is fixed size and located at the very end of the partition.
D: - various temp files/cache for Firefox and apps/games.
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