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Windows 7: Windows 7...why?

16 Nov 2011   #81
DeaconFrost

Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by KathleenR View Post
Worth the effort? I'm so tired of learning a new operating system with each new computer. My desktop has Vista Home. This laptop has Win 7 which is missing so much I can't begin to foam at the mouth.
What is there to learn between Vista and Windows 7? The differences, in terms of usability and features are subtle, if that. The only time you need to learn a new operating system is when you switch platforms, such as going to Linux or Apple.

If a laptop is missing something with Windows 7 that is present with Vista, then most likely that is third-party apps that haven't been installed on the new laptop. As for as the OSes go, there's very little differences in what's there and what isn't.


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16 Nov 2011   #82
KathleenR

Windows 7 home
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by gregrocker View Post
Is this a new laptop, Kathleen? Clean up factory bloatware

Can you tell us what are the problems specifically, no foam?
Where is the recycle bin? If I delete a file where does it go?
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16 Nov 2011   #83
gregrocker

 

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16 Nov 2011   #84
kado897

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit Service Pack 1
 
 

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Is this a new laptop, Kathleen? Clean up factory bloatware

Can you tell us what are the problems specifically, no foam?
Where is the recycle bin? If I delete a file where does it go?
Strictly speaking it doesn't go anywhere. The Recycle Bin is just a collection of files to be permanently deleted.
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16 Nov 2011   #85
KathleenR

Windows 7 home
 
 

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Is this a new laptop, Kathleen? Clean up factory bloatware

Can you tell us what are the problems specifically, no foam?
Where is the recycle bin? If I delete a file where does it go?
Strictly speaking it doesn't go anywhere. The Recycle Bin is just a collection of files to be permanently deleted.
How do I access something in the recycle bin? If I delete a file and then decide I don't want to permanently delete it, where is it?
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16 Nov 2011   #86
gregrocker

 

Click on the Recycle Bin to see contents.

Only empty it once you're sure.

Set size by rightclicking>Properties to avoid auto-deletion.

Beware that CCleaner or Disk Cleanup may empty it if you don't deselect that choice.

The Recycle Bin? Really? Is that all? Surely you have more?
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16 Nov 2011   #87
DeaconFrost

Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by KathleenR View Post
Where is the recycle bin? If I delete a file where does it go?
The functionality of the Recycle Bin is identical to Vista and XP. If the OEM you bought your laptop from didn't put it in the desktop for you, that isn't Microsoft's fault, and isn't something new to "learn". It just means you need to customize the OS to your liking...not something that Microsoft or the OEM can do for you.

While on the subject, this is why most of us perform a full, clean install on a new OEM system. We can install the OS the way we want, and set it up exactly as we want.
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16 Nov 2011   #88
Corazon

Windows 7 Professional SP1 32-bit
 
 

If you really can't find the Recycle Bin on your desktop, do this:
  • Right-click on an empty spot somewhere on your desktop (not on any icons or gadgets).
  • From the context menu, select Personalize.
  • In the window that shows up, look in the upper left corner for Change desktop icons and click on that.
  • Now you can choose which of the standard desktop icons, including the Recycle Bin, you want to appear. As a safety measure, you might also uncheck Allow themes to change desktop icons.
  • Click the OK button. Done
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16 Nov 2011   #89
logicearth

Windows 10 Pro (x64)
 
 

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Input devices...you mean these:
Exactly. They are blanked out. The drop down list is blank in W7.
Blank on your computer maybe. The speaker icon on the bottom right of the taskbar, right-click it go to "Recording Devices" then when there right-click in the middle of the pane. "Show Disabled/Disconnected Devices" are both checked.

If you have no devices that means you have not installed the proper drivers. Windows 7 supports input devices just fine.
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16 Nov 2011   #90
lehnerus2000

W7 Ultimate SP1, LM18 MATE, W10IP VM, W10 Home, #All 64 bit
 
 
User must be "reconfigured"

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IMO, each generation of OS should get easier to use, not more difficult.
This is where you have to separate your own personal opinion from actual results. Windows 7 IS easier to use. Why?

Well, it's more reliable, and it handles many maintenance tasks by itself. The adaptation takes days, not weeks or years, such as learning a new language.
I should have included reliability in my exceptions.
"More difficult" was the wrong phrase.

That said, XP is extremely reliable on my machine.

"Twitchiness" on my PC (Least to Most):
  • 2010 - Ubuntu 10.04, XP, W7
  • 2011 - XP, W7, Ubuntu 10.04
To be fair, I use W7 most of the time (~95%+) followed by Ubuntu (~4%) and XP (~1%).
That means W7 has more opportunities to annoy me.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by DeaconFrost View Post
I'm also not saying this from personal opinion. I rolled Windows 7 out to 30 less than tech savvy employees at my company, who had been used to XP with Office 2003. In a matter of a week or two, people all got the hang of it, especially the ribbon interface in Office 2007. See, it is more intuitive, because it puts more of the options on screen, rather than bury them in menus. People appreciate that, because they don't need to memorize menu locations.
I knew that mentioning the Ribbon would cause trouble.

Office 2007:
"How do I print this document? Where is the file menu?"
"Look under the lollipop button."
"Oh! That thing is a button?"

Since we're swapping anecdotes, I first encountered the Ribbon in 2008 (I was doing a training course).
A girl asked how to print a document.
The other students and myself, looked at the interface and were completely bamboozled.
I was so stunned, I even forgot that "Ctrl +P" would bring up the dialogue window.

There was no screen tip (standard windows bug, non-appearing screen tip) and the visual effects were turned off, so the lollipop button didn't light up when the mouse pointer was hovering over it.

People recognise patterns (I do).

The Ribbon looks the same, regardless of the option, only the top tab position changes.
There were quite a few distinct patterns with the menus.
If I was in the wrong menu, my subconscious mind would say to my conscious mind, "something's wrong".
I get no warning when I'm using the Ribbon.

Once people were taught about menus, they could open up almost any program and attempt to use it.
"I go to the file menu to open a file. I go to the help menu to find about."

The Ribbon's only advantages over menus and toolbars:
  • Text Labels.
  • It is easier to repeatedly perform the same function on multiple objects (e.g. placing a box around text).
MS collected data and then used that data to justify their decision.

Alternative explanations that can be drawn from that data are:

  • "...their total inability to provide any useful help, or instructions, on the use of built-in features."
  • Poor configuration of MS Office by IT staff.
I actually find the Ribbon to be an improvement in Excel, but a PITA in Word.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by DeaconFrost View Post
As for Windows 7, not much has changed about the basics. You still open programs the same way. You still boot up, login, and shut down the same way. Now my users can use the search feature to find a document, whether they saved it or they left it in an e-mail. The list goes on. But to suggest that OSes get harder to use is just.....not true.
At no time did I state that it was easier to teach "newbies":
  • XP operations, compared to W7.
  • Menu operations, compared to the Ribbon.
It may come as a surprise, but "newbies" aren't the people who complained about the changes.
"Newbies" can't complain, because they have no point of reference.

"More difficult" was the wrong phrase.

How much more powerful is a 2011 PC compared to a 2001 PC?
Based on "Moore's Law" the answer is ~32.

There is almost no reason why a new PC, can't successfully simulate an old GUI.
It should be a piece of cake for a modern OS to be reconfigured to suit the user.
According to MS (and other OS makers) the user is the one who must be "reconfigured".

After being "reconfigured" can the user do 32x as much work?
No. They had to relearn how to do the same work and gained few percent improvement in output (if that).

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Kari View Post
Well said. This and you previous post in this thread would most certainly get some rep from me but I have to "spread around", so instead I want to publicly thank you of these posts.

These threads about how much better XP was and what's wrong with Seven seem to re-surface every few months. Fact is Windows 7 is a well working, easy to use and maintain OS; it's time to let XP retire.

Kari
At no time did I state that W7 was rubbish, in fact W7 is my preferred OS.
These days I only open XP on "Patch Tuesday" (Wednesday for me) or if I notice a program update (e.g. Foxit Reader).

That doesn't mean, I can't agree with anyone who complains that they don't like/understand certain differences.
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