| Windows 7: Don't waste your money on Ultimate |
10 Aug 2009
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#21 | | Windows 7 x64 Ultimate A Finnish immigrant in Leipzig, Germany |
My fellow geeks, I think this kind of argument is not only healthy, but also needed in this and other user forums. I also think we should accept this difference in opinions whenever we nerds and geeks argue.
OP told his opinion and arguments which in his opinion support it. This time I have a different opinion and I am not so willing to revalue or change it, but it has happened that I've had for years a strong opinion and I've been forced to change it after arguing here with somebody.
That said, I want to say this once more: Every individual user is entitled to decide which OS and which version he / she wants. Sometimes this decision is not so easy. This topic should therefore be more discussed, to help those who have difficulties to make a decision by telling our personal experiences and opinions.
For me, +1 for Ultimate.
Kari | My System Specs |
| Computer type Laptop System Manufacturer/Model Number HP ENVY 17-1150eg OS Windows 7 x64 Ultimate CPU 1.6 GHz Intel Core i7-720QM Processor Memory 6 GB Graphics Card ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5850 Graphics Sound Card Beats sound system with integrated subwoofer Monitor(s) Displays 17" laptop display, 22" LCD and 32" Full HD TV through HDMI Screen Resolution 1600*900, 1680*1050 and 1920*1080 Keyboard Logitech diNovo Media Desktop Laser (bluetooth) Mouse Logitech MX1000 Laser (Bluetooth) Hard Drives Internal: 2 x 500 GB SATA Hard Disk Drive 7200 rpm
External: 2TB for backups, 3TB USB3 network drive for media Internet Speed 50/10 Mbps VDSL Antivirus MSE, Windows Defender Browser Maxthon 3.5.2. Other Info Windows 7 Ultimate Retail Full in English, additional Guest-user accounts in Finnish, German and Swedish (Working languages English & Swedish, Family language German, my own language, mother tongue, Finnish. I really need Ultimate to get to use Language Packs!) |
10 Aug 2009
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#22 | | |

Quote: Originally Posted by Kari My fellow geeks, I think this kind of argument is not only healthy, but also needed in this and other user forums. I wholeheartedly agree and it's the reason that I like this place so much...people can differ on opinions but nobody personally attacks or flames others. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Self-Built in July 2009 OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 CPU Intel Q9550 2.83Ghz OC'd to 3.40Ghz Motherboard Gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3R rev. 1.1, F12 BIOS Memory 8GB G.Skill PI DDR2-800, 4-4-4-12 timings Graphics Card EVGA 1280MB Nvidia GeForce GTX570 Sound Card Realtek ALC899A 8 channel onboard audio Monitor(s) Displays 23" Acer x233H Screen Resolution 1920x1080 Keyboard ABS M1 Mechanical Mouse Logitech G9 Laser Mouse PSU Corsair 620HX modular Case Antec P182 Cooling stock Hard Drives Intel X25-M 80GB Gen 2 SSD
Western Digital 1TB Caviar Black, 32MB cache. WD1001FALS Internet Speed 15/2 cable modem Other Info Windows and Linux enthusiast. Logitech G35 Headset. |
10 Aug 2009
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#23 | | |
I use Ultimate for the same reason I got the 3rd seat option in the Tahoe......it is there if I need it.
The fact I have never used all of Ultimate, or the 3rd seat doesn't matter.
I have them, that is all that matters. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number 24c Built OS Win7 x64 Ult CPU Intel i7-950 Motherboard ASUS PT6 Memory 12 GB DDR3 Graphics Card NVIDIA 9800GT+ Sound Card none Monitor(s) Displays 2 Samsung SyncMaster 2343bwx Screen Resolution 2048X1152 Keyboard Logitech cordless Mouse Logitech cordless PSU Thermaltake Toughpower XT W0229RU 750W Case Antec 900 Cooling case fans Hard Drives 1st-4 OCZ Vertex Turbos 32GB RAID 0
2nd-2 WD 640GB RAID 1 Internet Speed up to 15 MB/s |
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Quote: Originally Posted by 24c I use Ultimate for the same reason I got the 3rd seat option in the Tahoe......it is there if I need it. That's all that matters...as long as you got your monies worth...that is what matters. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Self-Built in July 2009 OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 CPU Intel Q9550 2.83Ghz OC'd to 3.40Ghz Motherboard Gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3R rev. 1.1, F12 BIOS Memory 8GB G.Skill PI DDR2-800, 4-4-4-12 timings Graphics Card EVGA 1280MB Nvidia GeForce GTX570 Sound Card Realtek ALC899A 8 channel onboard audio Monitor(s) Displays 23" Acer x233H Screen Resolution 1920x1080 Keyboard ABS M1 Mechanical Mouse Logitech G9 Laser Mouse PSU Corsair 620HX modular Case Antec P182 Cooling stock Hard Drives Intel X25-M 80GB Gen 2 SSD
Western Digital 1TB Caviar Black, 32MB cache. WD1001FALS Internet Speed 15/2 cable modem Other Info Windows and Linux enthusiast. Logitech G35 Headset. |
10 Aug 2009
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#25 | | Windows 7 Professional 64-bit |
I went for Professional, I think thats enough for me. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number self built OS Windows 7 Professional 64-bit CPU Intel E8400 3GHz Motherboard Intel DX48BT2 Memory Kingston PC3-10700H 4Gb Graphics Card XFX Radeon HD 5850 BlackEd. Sound Card Asus Xonar DG Monitor(s) Displays 2x Samsung SM-T220HD 22" Screen Resolution 1680x1050 on two monitors Keyboard Microsoft Comfort Curve USB Mouse Razer Diamondback 3G PSU Thermaltake ToughPower 850w Case Thermaltake Armor Cooling Scythe Mugen II Hard Drives OCZ Vertex 2 120gb 3.5" (OS)
Seagate Momentus XT 500gb
Samsung F3 1Tb (games)
2x Samsung F1 1Tb Internet Speed 8128/443 |
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Quote: Originally Posted by pparks1 That's all that matters...as long as you got your monies worth...that is what matters. @swarfega - I went for Professional on D:\ drive.
I'm happy - THAT is what REALLY matters | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number 24c Built OS Win7 x64 Ult CPU Intel i7-950 Motherboard ASUS PT6 Memory 12 GB DDR3 Graphics Card NVIDIA 9800GT+ Sound Card none Monitor(s) Displays 2 Samsung SyncMaster 2343bwx Screen Resolution 2048X1152 Keyboard Logitech cordless Mouse Logitech cordless PSU Thermaltake Toughpower XT W0229RU 750W Case Antec 900 Cooling case fans Hard Drives 1st-4 OCZ Vertex Turbos 32GB RAID 0
2nd-2 WD 640GB RAID 1 Internet Speed up to 15 MB/s |
10 Aug 2009
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Quote: Originally Posted by pparks1 I'm not aware of any student discounts on server OS's from Microsoft. I could be wrong because their licensing is pretty complicated...but I've never seen server OS's in the list. Nor am I a qualified student anymore either. Microsoft DreamSpark https://www.dreamspark.com/default.aspx | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Self-Built OS Windows 7 64 bit SP1 CPU Core i7 920 Motherboard Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD3R Memory 12 GB (6x2GB Corsair) Graphics Card nVidia 250GTS Sound Card Built-in Monitor(s) Displays 2x Samsung SyncMaster 2343 (23" Widescreen) Keyboard Microsoft Natural Keyboard Mouse Logitech Laser |
10 Aug 2009
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Quote: Originally Posted by Mystere
Well, it's just too bad that I am not a student anymore and thus not qualified for any of this stuff. Thanks for the link. I've read a bunch of the FAQ stuff...seems like a pretty cool program. However, I think lots will have trouble with the single install, single activation limitation. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Self-Built in July 2009 OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 CPU Intel Q9550 2.83Ghz OC'd to 3.40Ghz Motherboard Gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3R rev. 1.1, F12 BIOS Memory 8GB G.Skill PI DDR2-800, 4-4-4-12 timings Graphics Card EVGA 1280MB Nvidia GeForce GTX570 Sound Card Realtek ALC899A 8 channel onboard audio Monitor(s) Displays 23" Acer x233H Screen Resolution 1920x1080 Keyboard ABS M1 Mechanical Mouse Logitech G9 Laser Mouse PSU Corsair 620HX modular Case Antec P182 Cooling stock Hard Drives Intel X25-M 80GB Gen 2 SSD
Western Digital 1TB Caviar Black, 32MB cache. WD1001FALS Internet Speed 15/2 cable modem Other Info Windows and Linux enthusiast. Logitech G35 Headset. |
10 Aug 2009
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#29 | | |
The only feature in Ultimate that looks interesting to me it the MUI.
But here's my beef with the MUI: why the hell is it limited to only Ultimate and Enterprise? Let's say you are a family living in Quebec. Some users of your family prefer English, some prefer French. Right now, the only sensible thing to do is to buy an English version and a French version, and have one computer set up for English and another set up for French. But what if there is a common shared computer on which you want both languages? Sorry, you gotta be an Ultimate/Enterprise user for that!
Okay, to be fair to Microsoft, this is better than how it was in 2K/XP, where MUIs were available only to volume licensing customers (and to MSDN). The idea back then was that MUIs made it possible for companies to support multiple languages in a more uniform way: deploy a standard base English version to all machines, and then on certain machines, install the MUI (plus, this ensure that every machine had the base language on it, so that the IT staff would still be able to navigate a machine that was given to a Spanish-speaking employee). But MUIs are pretty useful outside of corporate mass deployments, for multi-lingual immigrant families, for example.
Anyway, for me, the reason I care about MUIs is that they are necessary for testing software in different locales (especially in RTL locales like Hebrew or Arabic where the rules of layout can get really funky). But I have a MSDN subscription, so this isn't a problem for me personally (but even though I have access to free Ultimate licenses, I still use Professional and use Ultimate only on my test/debug systems, simply because I don't need the other features in Ultimate).
I really wish Microsoft would just kill the Ultimate SKU, make MUIs a universal feature (most immigrant families that would benefit from MUIs are not going to be able to afford Ultimate), and fold the other handful of rare and exotic Ultimate features into Professional. Remember back in the good old days when Professional was the top SKU? And then they could kill the Starter SKU, too. They can keep Home Basic as an emerging market product, but would it really kill them to make Home Premium the bottom item? HP is already the lowest that you can get at retail, so why the heck have an even lower Starter edition that--get this--doesn't even let you change your wallpaper?
PS: There's a bit of Vista history here: in Vista, the editions were not supersets, and Vista Business did not have Media Center and a few other "home" features found in Home Premium. So back in the Vista days, if you wanted both "home" features like Media Center and business features like Remote Desktop, you must use Ultimate. But with Professional being a superset of HP, Ultimate makes much less sense now for Windows 7 than it did for Vista. | My System Specs | | |
10 Aug 2009
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#30 | | Windows 7 Enterprise x64 [dual boot with Windows Vista Enterprise w/SP2] |
I'll definitely waste some money on Ultimate, as my workstation deserves the name. However I don't need to buy a lot of them thanks to subscription, so for me it's just 319 bucks pending for waste. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number BrandSystem OS Windows 7 Enterprise x64 [dual boot with Windows Vista Enterprise w/SP2] CPU Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Motherboard Gigabyte GA-P35-DQ6 Memory 8GB GeIL DDR2 800 [2GBx4] Graphics Card ATI Radeon HD2600 PRO Sound Card Integrated Realtek ALC889A Monitor(s) Displays LG Flatron L1520B Screen Resolution 1024x768 Keyboard DELL Multimedia Keyboard SK-8135 Mouse IBM Travel Mouse 31p7410 USB PSU Entac Earthwatts 380A Case CoolerMaster Ammo 533 Cooling Thermalright Ultra-120 eXtreme Hard Drives Western Digital WD6400AAKS Don't waste your money on Ultimate problems? All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:39 AM. | |