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Windows 7: Windows boot time recent tripled even though SSD read/write has not

12 Jan 2012   #1
xerxes

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 
Windows boot time recent tripled even though SSD read/write has not

Hello everyone! I come to seek your yoda-like advice once again. Okay so here's my issue: I have a relatively new build with the specs listed below:

asus 97h55-m pro
intel core i3 -540
8gb ripjaws @1600
120gb corsair force gt SSD (system disk)
2 tb seagate green HD (storage)
1 tb wd black HD (games)
windows 7 ultimate

The SSD is only not even 3 months old, and as soon as I installed it I immediately noticed the increase in speed (obviously lol). I ran a read write test in command prompt and it returned a seq read of around 260mb/s and write of about 230mb/s (even tho my SSD is SATA III, my mobo is still SATA II and thus limited by that). Anyway speeds were and still are amazing. Photoshop and illustrator launch in less than 3 seconds. I measured my windows boot time just about every other boot and it was fairly constantly booting between 5 and 7 seconds every time, which I loved.

Now, out of the blue, my windows boot has started taking longer. It now sits at the boot animation for 18-20 seconds nearly every time now, well over three times what it usually took. Now I know that still isn't bad, but I miss my 5 second boot, and I'm incredibly perplexed (for the following reasons) as to why this started happening:

At first, I was worried it may have been the early stages of lag in the overall speed of my SSD, as I'm familiar with write life cycles and know flash eventually slows overtime. HOwever, this SSD is near top of the line and only 2.5 months old, and I def didn't think that should be occurring this early. So i ran the read/write test again and it returned nearly identical speeds! I also tested loading times for all my larger apps and again, same snappy performance. SO, I don't think my SSD has actually slowed, just my windows boot time.

The funny thing is the only change I made was plugging it into a hd-receiver which is connected to my hdtv - which I also thought may have been causing the extra lag, but again I tested it by plugging it BACK straight into my standard led monitor and still the long 18-20 second boot . I'm frustrated you guys

I checked and there aren't any additional startup applications that have been added either. I've installed several new programs, but pretty standard ones like vm ware, poweriso etc. I've even removed some other startup apps that had no purpose, in attempt to speed up boot, but to no avail.

I seek yalls ultimate wisdom. Thanks so much for reading this and for your time. I'm anxious to discuss with you all and hopefully figure this out/ get back to my faster boot time!


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12 Jan 2012   #2
Golden
Microsoft MVP

Windows 7 Ult. x64
 
 

Hi,

Can you post a screen capture of your services tab from MSCONFIG?

Also, try this useful little program that should isolate the item causing the long boot time - post an image of what it finds, but don't use it to make any changes - lets first see what it finds.

Soluto Download - Softpedia

Regards,
Golden
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23 Jan 2012   #3
xerxes

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Hi Golden,

First off thank you for your response. Was really busy last week, but definitely wanna figure this out asap! Ok so I attached a screenshot of the msconfig services tab. The list itself was incredibly long, mostly containing microsoft services, so the screenshot i took is filtered for non-ms services. I figured the ms ones are standard and the non-ms ones would be the ones that may have changed? I could be wrong on that one though, but if u need the entire list i can always just attach a series of screenshots. And I had one question about soluto before installing it - I've read instances in which some users claimed the program was near impossible to uninstall because of all the registry entries it makes? Again I have no idea if thats true but wanted to check with you, as it could be unjustified. I just wanna make sure it's something I can easily remove all traces of once I'm done with it. Anyway, let me know what you think, Golden! And also let me know if u need the extra screenshots, etc. P.S. I included a screenshot of the startup tab on msconfig as well. Thanks so much for your time.


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23 Jan 2012   #4
CreepinJesus

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Have a look at this event log: Event Viewer > Applications and Services Logs > Microsoft > Windows > Diagnostics-Performance > Operational. You're looking for events in the 100s, #101 in particular ("This application took longer than usual to start up, resulting in a performance degradation in the system startup process"). That may give an indication.

Another theory, if you have any mapped network drives, these can sometimes cause a delay in boot-up, usually on the "Welcome" screen, I think.

Finally, make sure the SSD is first in the disk drive boot group in your BIOS settings.
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23 Jan 2012   #5
Mystere

Windows 7 64 bit SP1
 
 

Often times this is the result of a device driver initialization hang or timeout. Have you recently installed any new devices? This includes soft-devices, like virtual hard drives or hot-pluggable deviecs.

If you have added any external storage, or left a CD or DVD in the optical drive this can cause a delay. Sometimes we forget we left a USB stick in the back.
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23 Jan 2012   #6
Maguscreed

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Windows 7 x64
 
 

It would be a bit of a pain, but we could try enabled driver verifier
Driver Verifier - Enable and Disable
(Please read all instructions for driver verifier before using as it's possible it will make the machine behave badly and you need to know how to undo it.)

If it creates a bluescreen I could read the memory dump for you and possibly track down the bad driver.
http://www.sevenforums.com/crashes-d...tructions.html

That is kind of a involved process, if you want you may also follow the instructions there to grab us a copy of your system logs we can view. (none of this is personally identifiable stuff, it's just app logs.)

...of course you still have a moderate chance of tracking it down the way you are going.
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23 Jan 2012   #7
gregrocker

 

Uncheck everything except AV in msconfig>Startup and >Services after Hiding all MS Services. The rest are freeloaders on Startup, RAM, CPU and can spy on you. Enforce this vigorously.

Work through these troubleshooting steps to utilize logs and System Resources to gain clues to the slowdown. Performance log zeroes in on Startup times.

These tips to Clean up factory bloatware can help regain Win7's native lightweight instantaneous performance.

If not use the tool which the Pro's use to trace startup hangs with certainty: Gathering a Startup, Shutdown, Sleep, Hibernate, or Reboot Trace - Windows 7 Forums
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23 Jan 2012   #8
FliGi7

XP / Win7 x64 Pro
 
 

You might also want to try running "sfc /scannow" from an elevated command prompt in the case there is an unruly system file causing a hangup. It's a slim chance, but worth a shot.
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24 Jan 2012   #9
xerxes

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Hello everyone. Thanks for your interest and your responses! I love attacking a problem like this and it's always enlightening to hear from knowledgeable win7 users. Since I received several replies I'm going to answer each one as best I can:

CreepinJesus - Great tip on the even viewer logs. I did indeed look at this, and may have found some worthwhile stuff. Okay well oddly enough the most recent 101 I saw was back on the 17th, and the filename was svchost.exe, thought the total time for that was only 346 ms. I found several other 101's over the past few months and nearly all were attributed to the same svchost.exe but all had minimal impact it seems (200-400 ms). HOwever, I did find a 110 code on 12/19 that had a slowdown time of 20,000ms! The file in question was SMSSinit. Google turned up some info on this but I'm still left unsure what it truly does. That 110 hasn't happened since then, but I figured that may be worth noting. ANd one more thing - I was tracing back my 100's (which from what i can tell is just a standard boot) over the past few months, and my times were fairly consistent up until 12/5 at 12:30 am - from that point forward each boot duration was at least 10,000ms larger than before. I checked my programs and low and behold Adobe Illustrator was installed not one minute before on that exact same date. Sooo I'm thinking that somehow has something to do with it! What I do NOT understand, though, is that no illustrator-esque startup apps or dl managers or plugins appeared in msconfig (that were enabled) nor did I ever see anything related to illustrator appear or initiate anything, apart from when i launch the actual application. Plus, I didn't actually begin noticing super slow boot times until december 14 or so, which confuses my spidy senses. Once again, I default to the wisdom of you all. Oh and in answer to your other inquiries, I do not have any mapped network drives and my SSD is the first disk in my boot drive group in BIOS.

Mystere - I have not added any external storage, and I double checked to make sure no CD/DVDs were present in the tray nor flash drives left plugged in. In answer to your first question, I haven't installed any new devices. I have a dual tuner and a gtx 460, but those have been there for a while. As far as soft devices go, I did actually install vmware and had allocated about 10gb worth of space for my vms - could that be an issue do you think?

Maguscreed
- I will definitely look into running the driver verifier, though I am a bit weary about rampant bsods, but as you said familiarity is key I'll make sure to know how to disable in the event i run it. I have bluescreenview that I've used to try and figure out a BSOD i get every so often (0x00f4) which I'm told is most likely something to do with my corsair force GT SSD. Anyway if I do get a bsod with the driver verifier i'll be sure and post if for you to analyze. Also, I can try and grab syslog for you if you think that would be helpful.

gregrocker - I'm sorry but I wasn't quite sure what you meant but "AV" when you said to uncheck everything except that? If you could clarify I'd def appreciate it and hopefully I could explore that avenue as well. I've been reading the troubleshooting tips you posted and will finish most of the steps by tmr. Memtest did pass on both stick fine, MSE scanned without error, and I ran SFC /verifyonly and it said it created a log in CBS. SHould i post that? I'm also in the process of downloading the windows performance toolkit to do a boot trace, and will let you know my results when i complete it.

FliGi7 - I did indeed run sfc but with /verifynow just to be safe. It said it wrote a file to the CBS log. The file is incredibly long string of text, but I can post if you like.

I look forward to pursuing this with you all and I can't tell you how reassuring it is to have all of you chiming in with possible fixes. I'm optimistic!
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24 Jan 2012   #10
Maguscreed

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Windows 7 x64
 
 

I think adobe illustrator may be running a .dll inside the svchost.exe (this is actually pretty typical) I suppose that link library reading could be slowing things down. As it can't process until the .net framework has loaded.

This is just an educated guess mind you, based mostly on your response to creeping.
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