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Windows 7: Windows 7 & 16-bit

10 Mar 2012   #31
McGoon

Windows 7 Professional 32bit on MacOSX under VMware Fusion
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by oreo27 View Post
Hi,

From experience with my brother in law's scenario. We were able to run DosBox on a Win 7 Pro x64 perfectly.

There was no need whatsoever to run a VM on it. DosBox worked perfectly on the 64 bit OS.
Thanks - my concern isn't for running DOS apps, but for running 16-bit Windows apps on a 64-bit Win OS. I love DOSBox, but it doesn't include Windows drivers.

Do you have any hints on where to go for a 16-bit Windows emulator to run VB6 and other legacy Win apps on 64-bit Win 7?

Thanks...


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10 Mar 2012   #32
Cheemag

Windows 7 Professional 64-bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by McGoon View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by oreo27 View Post
Hi,

From experience with my brother in law's scenario. We were able to run DosBox on a Win 7 Pro x64 perfectly.

There was no need whatsoever to run a VM on it. DosBox worked perfectly on the 64 bit OS.
Thanks - my concern isn't for running DOS apps, but for running 16-bit Windows apps on a 64-bit Win OS. I love DOSBox, but it doesn't include Windows drivers.

Do you have any hints on where to go for a 16-bit Windows emulator to run VB6 and other legacy Win apps on 64-bit Win 7?

Thanks...
I had no trouble running it natively in Windows-7 Professional 64-bit, apart from the rather tiny screen. I was able to run Q-Edit and List.com on it (there are no Windows equivalents of these two indispensible tools - if anyone knows better, I'd love to hear from them).

I may have another go at getting a bigger window, but as the app seems to be based on 'games' I don't hold out much hope of finding much information outside the legacy 'games' environment.
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10 Mar 2012   #33
McGoon

Windows 7 Professional 32bit on MacOSX under VMware Fusion
 
 

[QUOTE=Cheemag;1831719][QUOTE=McGoon;1831471]
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I had no trouble running it natively in Windows-7 Professional 64-bit, apart from the rather tiny screen. I was able to run Q-Edit and List.com on it (there are no Windows equivalents of these two indispensible tools - if anyone knows better, I'd love to hear from them).

I may have another go at getting a bigger window, but as the app seems to be based on 'games' I don't hold out much hope of finding much information outside the legacy 'games' environment.
DOSBox will run full-screen - just type Alt-Enter to toggle between the small, windowed version and the full-screen one. I run QEdit and SuperCalc with it daily. You may have to tweak your video settings to run full-screen on a widescreen display without crashing the computer, though. Read the readme.txt file in DOSBox's /documentation directory.

But...DOSBox won't run 16-bit Windows applications - only DOS apps. If anyone has any hints about how to get around 16-bit Windows apps on 64-bit Windows 7, I'm eager to hear about them.

Again, thanks.
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11 Mar 2012   #34
oreo27

Windows 7 Ultimate x64 Service Pack 1
 
 

[QUOTE=McGoon;1832743][QUOTE=Cheemag;1831719]
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by McGoon View Post

DOSBox will run full-screen - just type Alt-Enter to toggle between the small, windowed version and the full-screen one. I run QEdit and SuperCalc with it daily. You may have to tweak your video settings to run full-screen on a widescreen display without crashing the computer, though. Read the readme.txt file in DOSBox's /documentation directory.

But...DOSBox won't run 16-bit Windows applications - only DOS apps. If anyone has any hints about how to get around 16-bit Windows apps on 64-bit Windows 7, I'm eager to hear about them.

Again, thanks.
Hi, according to this thread on Microsoft Answers:

Is Windows 7 able to run 16 bit installers under XP mode? - Microsoft Answers

You can probably try setting compatibility mode to Windows 95. This is a quick tutorial on how to do this. Let us know if it works.

Compatibility Mode
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11 Mar 2012   #35
Cheemag

Windows 7 Professional 64-bit
 
 

[QUOTE=McGoon;1832743][QUOTE=Cheemag;1831719]
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by McGoon View Post

DOSBox will run full-screen - just type Alt-Enter to toggle between the small, windowed version and the full-screen one. I run QEdit and SuperCalc with it daily. You may have to tweak your video settings to run full-screen on a widescreen display without crashing the computer, though. Read the readme.txt file in DOSBox's /documentation directory.
I didn't know about the full-screen. At the moment I haven't put it back on Win-7 after a reinstall of the latter. But I'll look into it again.

I've found the ConText editor, which goes some way towards Q-Edit; unfortunately it won't fill a block but it does most other things which Q-Edit does.

Thanks to all who responded.
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11 Mar 2012   #36
McGoon

Windows 7 Professional 32bit on MacOSX under VMware Fusion
 
 

[QUOTE=oreo27;1832963][QUOTE=McGoon;1832743]
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Cheemag View Post

Hi, according to this thread on Microsoft Answers:

Is Windows 7 able to run 16 bit installers under XP mode? - Microsoft Answers

You can probably try setting compatibility mode to Windows 95. This is a quick tutorial on how to do this. Let us know if it works.

Compatibility Mode
Hi. Thanks - we'll try setting compatibility mode to Win95 or 8 and see what happens. Unfortunately the note at the top of the tutorial above reads,

" Note
32 bit Windows has emulation for 16 bit programs built in. 64-bit Windows only has emulation for 32 bit programs."

That's kind of daunting. Let me work on this for a bit and I'll respond when I know more.

Thanks again.
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11 Mar 2012   #37
oreo27

Windows 7 Ultimate x64 Service Pack 1
 
 

[QUOTE=McGoon;1834378][QUOTE=oreo27;1832963]
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by McGoon View Post

Hi. Thanks - we'll try setting compatibility mode to Win95 or 8 and see what happens. Unfortunately the note at the top of the tutorial above reads,

" Note
32 bit Windows has emulation for 16 bit programs built in. 64-bit Windows only has emulation for 32 bit programs."

That's kind of daunting. Let me work on this for a bit and I'll respond when I know more.

Thanks again.
If that's the case, there's one thing I can think of. I believe XP Mode is a 32 bit version so your application might work on it. No additional license is required if I'm not mistaken.

Windows XP Mode - Install and Setup
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12 Mar 2012   #38
McGoon

Windows 7 Professional 32bit on MacOSX under VMware Fusion
 
 

[QUOTE=oreo27;1834531][QUOTE=McGoon;1834378]
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by oreo27 View Post

If that's the case, there's one thing I can think of. I believe XP Mode is a 32 bit version so your application might work on it. No additional license is required if I'm not mistaken.

Windows XP Mode - Install and Setup
Thanks again. But if I'm not mistaken, XP Mode is all or nothing - either you run 7 as 7 or run it in XP mode, in which case you lose all the memory management advantages of 7.

Compatibility mode was a bust, too, by the way - it only works in the 32-bit install; not in the 64. But I'll keep looking - there has to be some way to run 16-bit Windows apps once 32-bit hardware's no longer available...

Thanks one more time!
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12 Mar 2012   #39
oreo27

Windows 7 Ultimate x64 Service Pack 1
 
 

[QUOTE=McGoon;1835582][QUOTE=oreo27;1834531]
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by McGoon View Post

Thanks again. But if I'm not mistaken, XP Mode is all or nothing - either you run 7 as 7 or run it in XP mode, in which case you lose all the memory management advantages of 7.

Compatibility mode was a bust, too, by the way - it only works in the 32-bit install; not in the 64. But I'll keep looking - there has to be some way to run 16-bit Windows apps once 32-bit hardware's no longer available...

Thanks one more time!
No worries mate. Well yes, but how intensive can 16 bit apps be?

Darn, too bad mate. Well, if you do find a solution, let us know. Might help other users.

Might be someone else who can shed light onto your predicament
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13 Mar 2012   #40
McGoon

Windows 7 Professional 32bit on MacOSX under VMware Fusion
 
 

[QUOTE=oreo27;1835886][QUOTE=McGoon;1835582]
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by oreo27 View Post

No worries mate. Well yes, but how intensive can 16 bit apps be?

Darn, too bad mate. Well, if you do find a solution, let us know. Might help other users.
Will do. For anyone else trying to preserve 16-bit Windows apps, the WINE project is a shining star. It's fully-functional under Linux, and does a very respectable job of running 16-bit Windows applications. While there's activity in Wine for Windows, however, the good folks on the project stress that it's a long way from fruition. Anyone looking for a programming challenge might want to check it out.

Thanks again.
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