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Windows 7: Applications freezing all over the place


28 Aug 2009   #11

Windows 7 Ultimate x64, Mint 9
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Snuffy View Post

I for one totally recommend you update the Version being used.

also there is a nice chang you might try.
start -> cmd (run as admin)

netsh int tcp set global autotuninglevel=normal

enter and exit.
that will fix a lot of problems.
It really is not fair to use some old outdated BETA when your wanting to see if it works correctly. also the version you are using could be corrupt/infested.
lets not ask why.
Didn't even think of looking at that....
However, you are right. This problem most likely does not exist in the RC or RTM.

Please try one of those first.

~Lordbob


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28 Aug 2009   #12

Windows 7 Home Premium x86
 
 

Hmmmmm............

Well if they are actually freezing as you said. Try to warm up your PC, that should do it.

You can either do that or simply repair windows.
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28 Aug 2009   #13

Windows 7 x64 Ultimate
 
 

I have had this exact same problem since installing 7600 clean. It's maddening. TONS of people have it. I am NOT running out of ram. It happens most often when I am running multiple programs but till also happen on start right as the desktop shows and will happen with nothing running after an hour of sitting idle.

Various bizarre remedies posted including increasing the voltage on your ram/northbridge (didn't work for me). It is clearly a bug somewhere.

I have had ZERO luck with fixing it. It is the one issue that still plauges me.

It could be the video driver, or HDD driver or some other heavy traffic bus driver locking up and causing apps to stall when they try to acess the "missing" resource.

I have a dual monitor, nvidia 285 video card and nvidia MB and an SSD.

I did not have this problem at all with 7100 with the exact same hardware, drivers and software with the single exception of replacing a baracuda drive with the SSD. (So of course that is a smoking gun).

But considering the number of other people with this problem that do NOT have SSDs... maybe SSD+nVidia MB? SATA drivers not up to the task of 0.1ms aces time and 200MB/Sec data transfer? (Actually seems like a litkely cause)

This is the one reason I am trying to find access to the current Windows 7 hot fixes but apparently they are not for us mere mortals yet
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28 Aug 2009   #14

Win 8 Release candidate 8400
 
 

fseal

Just curious what's your page file size?
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28 Aug 2009   #15

Windows 7 x64 Ultimate
 
 

Uh.... interestingly, 0.

But it shouldn't be. I enabled a page file on my D drive and disabled it on the C drive.

It somehow... reverted. Though with all the reset button pushing, maybe that's not entirely unexplained...

(reenabling)
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29 Aug 2009   #16

Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit
 
 

Wow, lots of posts since last time 0_o
anyways, I'm actually using the RTM, I thought I changed that. oh well.
@zigzag hmm, I didn't know about event viewer. It's my first time using though, what exactly am I looking for?
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29 Aug 2009   #17

Win 8 Release candidate 8400
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by moshee View Post
Wow, lots of posts since last time 0_o
anyways, I'm actually using the RTM, I thought I changed that. oh well.
@zigzag hmm, I didn't know about event viewer. It's my first time using though, what exactly am I looking for?
Moshee

Something with a red circle (error) in the app tab that is relevant to the problem.

Ken
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29 Aug 2009   #18

Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit
 
 

Ahh, I see. I was in "applications and services logs"

anyways, the only "error" in recent times was from Safari, even though i'm sure many other apps stopped responding as well. Safari was maybe just the only one that actually crashed, and it only happened 1 time in the past couple of weeks. This is really starting to look like a memory leak, even though I can tell it isn't...
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29 Aug 2009   #19

Windows 7 x64 Ultimate
 
 

So far I've never had my system recover from this situation, and so nothing is ever logged about it other than "Windows was not properly shut down".

I've removed every non essential driver, no audio, kb or mouse drivers (other than the base HID drivers),and disabled the firewire and other hardware devices not needed.

It's freesing 2-3 times per reboot lately. Had a freeze even with everything but video, network and storage drivers (and usb but nothing but mouse and KB plugged in)

Just now removed two sticks of ram. But if that's the "Answer" then that is no answer. Running Windows 7 64 and only two gigs of ram

Same ram ran perfectly with 7100. Will know in a day or two...

[Edit]

Not memory. Took two sticks out, still did it, swapped stiks, still did it, put sticks back in...

I'm actualy UNDER clocking my memory too! It's 1066 ram but running it at 800.

After more web searching, it turns out that a LOT of people are having problems with SSDs and Native Command Queing, and with storage drivers in general with SSDs. So since my problems started with one of two changes, one being moving to an SSD. I've disabled NCQ for the SATA port with the SSD in device manager.

Also found in my net searching that a lot of people are having random lockups with normal SATA drives as well, but there may be a fix in the form of a new "matrix storage driver" available from ASUS if you have an ASUS MB or other motherboard that uses a specific set of intel SATA chips (the article was not specific). Article here:

http://derek858.blogspot.com/2009/01...i-lockups.html

This did not apply to my nforce 680i board unfortuantely.

There was also mention of a Windows hotfx to solve the problem but again nothing specific. I really wish Microsoft would give everyone with access to RTM acess to the hotfixes as well!

Anyway... still waiting on the results of turning off NCQ on the SSD. Though a couple of things are noticable already, the throughput actually went up considerably on a speed test and the Windows Experience tool refused to run after turning it off. ?!? It /feels/ the same speed so far though.
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31 Aug 2009   #20

Windows 7 x64 Ultimate
 
 

Well 24 hours later, several purposefule restarts, new hardware installs, al lold hardware reinstalled and a HUGE install of "Wolfenstein" (as well as 4 hours of killin' nazzis) and there has not been a lockup since I turned off NCQ in on the SATA channel for the SSD in Hardware Mananger.

Still tentative becuase it would go several days withouth a lockup before, but after two days of having to restart 2-3 times in a row to get to the desktop, (Prompting my reexamination of the problem) things seem much improved.

Turning off NCQ may slow the random write performance though, Intel seemed to actually be using it to improve write throughput. I may do some more detailed experimentation later. Turning it off did actually seem to improve the linear read/write tests by about 10% using the built in quick test in the hardware manager though.
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