| Windows 7: New build advice requested |
05 May 2012
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#1 | | Windows Vista 32 bit Ultimate retail Central California |
New build advice requested I've put the following list together for a new build to replace a tired 4 year old system:
CPU: Intel i5 3550 3.3 Ghz Quad Core
GPU: Asus ENGTX560Ti 1GB 256 bit GDDR5
MOBO: Asus P8Z77-V Deluxe
RAM: Corsair Vengance 16 GB (2 x 8) DDR3 1600 Mhz
PWS: Corsair TX850M
I'm keeping my current tower (Coolermaster Cosmos 1000), a Pioneer BDR-205 burner, an HP 1260I DVD/RW burner, my monitor.
I am currently running latest Vista 32 bit Ultimate retail. Whatever I do, I am told because I'm changing out the CPU, MOBO and GPU, I'll have to go with a new license, even if I stay with Vista. Therefore, I am considering a retail version of Windows 7 Pro 64 bit. The main difference seems to be Bitlocker (don't need) and multiple language support (don't need either). Beside the fact I'd have to reinstall all user software, I am curious after reading the LordBob sticky comparing 32 bit to 64 bit versions as to whether even though x86 progs can only address 4 GB of memory, does having 16 GB of memory allow a better multitasking experience?
This system is used for and/or integrated with the following, sometimes simultaneously:
A media server, integrated with a Crestron whole-house audio system; a 4 channel CCTV DVR; media center extender support with a DirecTv HR-21 and a 65" Samsung LCD HDTV; a Denon networked AVR-3312CI, an Asus G51 laptop, a Samsung Galaxy 10.1 tablet and various Samsung Fascinates (Galaxy), via both gigabit lan and through a Linksys E-3200 4 port 2.4/5.8 Ghz switch. I also do audio editing and much photo processing.
I ran Windows upgrade advisor on my current hardware and software and it said the GPU's gotta go and it won't support MS Digitital Image Pro, my favorite editing software. I have read in forums where it can be used in the XP mode, but I do have Paint Shop Pro X that is compatible, if not as user friendly.
Any advice regarding my "plan" would be greatly appreciated. It's going to be a lot of work, no matter which way I go! | My System Specs |
| System Manufacturer/Model Number Home Brew OS Windows Vista 32 bit Ultimate retail CPU Intel E6850 Dual Core 3Ghz Motherboard Asus P53E Deluxe Wifi @ app n Memory 4 GB (2x2) Corsair DDR3 1333Mhz Graphics Card ATI Radeon HD3800 w/ 512MB PCI-E Sound Card On board Soundmax 5.1 Monitor(s) Displays Viewsonic VX2255WM-4 PSU Coolermaster EMBAD-1-US 850 W Case Coolermaster Cosmos 1000 Cooling 120mm x 3 Hard Drives WDC WD5000ABYS-01TNA0 500 GB 7200 rpm
Seagate ST3500418AS 500 GB 7200 rpm
Hitachi HDS722020ALA330 2 TB 7200 rpm |
05 May 2012
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#2 | | Windows 7 Ultimate 64 Southern California |
RobMidi,
Welcome to SF. I looks to be a great build. I would for sure budget for a SSD for the OS and your software. I have 16 gb of fast ram and I have to say it is overkill but with the way things are going I'm sure it will be right in the sweet zone in short order. Great fast ram at 8gb will perform better than average speed 16gb so maybe get the fastest the mobo will handle and look to 8gb then add 2 more modules later for your 16gb.
One other thought would be look to a sealed water cooling system with a quality fan or two for silent operation and cooling, maybe a H80 with two silent fans in push pull. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number A blend of brains, brawn and dumb luck, ask me about rig #2 ! OS Windows 7 Ultimate 64 CPU i7 3770k OC'd 4.6 @ 1.17v, still love my FX 8120 Motherboard MSI P67A-GD80 b3 Memory 16 gb Crucial Ballistix Tracer DDR3 9-9-9-27 @ 2000 Graphics Card XFX Radeon 7870 Sound Card On board HD audio with lossless 24 bit/192 sample rate Monitor(s) Displays (2) LG LED 23" 1920 x 1080 2ms Monitors via mini d-port Screen Resolution 1680 X 1050 p Keyboard (2) Logitech Illuminated Keyboards (1) usb (1) wireless K800 Mouse Logitech G9x & T-BC21 - nano nx for the laptop PSU Ultra X4 modular 1050 watt 80% silver rating & APC 1200 RS Case CoolerMaster Storm Styker Cooling 6 case fans 140mm & 120mm, Thermaltake h2o extreme Hard Drives Samsung 256 gb 830 SSD sata III
(2) 1 tb Hitachi deskmates/sata II
(1) 1 tb WD green/sata II
(2) 2 tb WD My Book/esata
(1) 500 gb Sea. Freeagent/esata
(2) 250 gb Sea. Freeagent go's/usb
(1) WD 2 tb Green 64 sata III
(1) 120 gb OCZ Vertex SS Internet Speed Upgraded from bottom of the barrel to bareable Other Info 4 Noctua case fans + 3 Noctua in p/p on H100 cooler
Integrated hot swap drive bays for 2.5" Drives
(2) Lite-on dvd/cd optical 22X
Integrated fan controller and led on/off
HP Officejet Pro L7680 all-n-one
HP 4 laserjet (the beast)
Hot swappable 3.5" hard drive bay
Belkin Play N600 HD router
Asus USB 3 & sata 6 PCIe card
Vantec IDE to sata adptr./Ultra sata adptr
HP Probook i3 laptop |
05 May 2012
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#3 | | Windows 7 Ultimate 64 Southern California |
Thank you as well for recycling and reusing your case and other components. Upgrading like this is much less costly when you've purchased quality core components like the case. Please take pictures of your build in it's stages and post here under "Show us your rig". With a SSD when you open Photoshop for the first time and blink it's open you realize that once you go SSD there isn't any going back. Please look to 128gb drive and you'll thank me as these drives are a real value today and a watchful eye has quality makes at 100-130usd. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number A blend of brains, brawn and dumb luck, ask me about rig #2 ! OS Windows 7 Ultimate 64 CPU i7 3770k OC'd 4.6 @ 1.17v, still love my FX 8120 Motherboard MSI P67A-GD80 b3 Memory 16 gb Crucial Ballistix Tracer DDR3 9-9-9-27 @ 2000 Graphics Card XFX Radeon 7870 Sound Card On board HD audio with lossless 24 bit/192 sample rate Monitor(s) Displays (2) LG LED 23" 1920 x 1080 2ms Monitors via mini d-port Screen Resolution 1680 X 1050 p Keyboard (2) Logitech Illuminated Keyboards (1) usb (1) wireless K800 Mouse Logitech G9x & T-BC21 - nano nx for the laptop PSU Ultra X4 modular 1050 watt 80% silver rating & APC 1200 RS Case CoolerMaster Storm Styker Cooling 6 case fans 140mm & 120mm, Thermaltake h2o extreme Hard Drives Samsung 256 gb 830 SSD sata III
(2) 1 tb Hitachi deskmates/sata II
(1) 1 tb WD green/sata II
(2) 2 tb WD My Book/esata
(1) 500 gb Sea. Freeagent/esata
(2) 250 gb Sea. Freeagent go's/usb
(1) WD 2 tb Green 64 sata III
(1) 120 gb OCZ Vertex SS Internet Speed Upgraded from bottom of the barrel to bareable Other Info 4 Noctua case fans + 3 Noctua in p/p on H100 cooler
Integrated hot swap drive bays for 2.5" Drives
(2) Lite-on dvd/cd optical 22X
Integrated fan controller and led on/off
HP Officejet Pro L7680 all-n-one
HP 4 laserjet (the beast)
Hot swappable 3.5" hard drive bay
Belkin Play N600 HD router
Asus USB 3 & sata 6 PCIe card
Vantec IDE to sata adptr./Ultra sata adptr
HP Probook i3 laptop |
05 May 2012
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#4 | | Windows Vista 32 bit Ultimate retail Central California |
Thanks Linnemeyerhere Thanks a lot for your input. Because of it, I have now ventured into researching SSDs and have a splitting headache (ha ha). Makes total sense, however, and in looking further into the proposed MOBO, it supports them...both in a caching mode in conjuction with existing mechanical drives as well as stand-alone.
Newegg, my vendor of choice, has a very well done 20 minute video of them, their architecture and how they can be used.
I will be sure to post progress photos. First I have to get the funding approval from Mrs., then start an order. That's the fun and easy part. The rest, not as much, but as long as I only have to do it every 5 years or so, no problem. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Home Brew OS Windows Vista 32 bit Ultimate retail CPU Intel E6850 Dual Core 3Ghz Motherboard Asus P53E Deluxe Wifi @ app n Memory 4 GB (2x2) Corsair DDR3 1333Mhz Graphics Card ATI Radeon HD3800 w/ 512MB PCI-E Sound Card On board Soundmax 5.1 Monitor(s) Displays Viewsonic VX2255WM-4 PSU Coolermaster EMBAD-1-US 850 W Case Coolermaster Cosmos 1000 Cooling 120mm x 3 Hard Drives WDC WD5000ABYS-01TNA0 500 GB 7200 rpm
Seagate ST3500418AS 500 GB 7200 rpm
Hitachi HDS722020ALA330 2 TB 7200 rpm |
05 May 2012
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#5 | | Windows 7 SP1, Home Premium, 64-bit |

Quote: Originally Posted by RobMidi I am currently running latest Vista 32 bit Ultimate retail. Whatever I do, I am told because I'm changing out the CPU, MOBO and GPU, I'll have to go with a new license, even if I stay with Vista. Therefore, I am considering a retail version of Windows 7 Pro 64 bit. The main difference seems to be Bitlocker (don't need) and multiple language support (don't need either). Beside the fact I'd have to reinstall all user software, I am curious after reading the LordBob sticky comparing 32 bit to 64 bit versions as to whether even though x86 progs can only address 4 GB of memory, does having 16 GB of memory allow a better multitasking experience? I'm not sure why you think your existing Vista 32 bit Ultimate retail license won't work with the new hardware.
Vista 32 bit won't recognize over 3.5 or so GB of RAM, but other than that, it would work as far as I know.
Are you sure you need the features found in Win 7 Pro that are not found in Win 7 Home Premium?
Here is what Professional has that is not available in Home Premium:
Domain join, Remote Desktop host, location aware printing, EFS, Mobility Center, Presentation Mode, Offline Folders, Group Policy (GP) controls, advanced backup, XP Mode, support for 192 GB of RAM, and support for 2 CPU sockets.
Which of those do you need?
16 GB of RAM isn't going to be an improvement over 4 or 8 unless the 4 or 8 are already being fully used. You can easily monitor RAM usage to determine if that is true. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Ignatz Special; 4 speed manual gearbox; factory air conditioning; one of one OS Windows 7 SP1, Home Premium, 64-bit CPU Intel Sandy Bridge i5-2500, not overclocked Motherboard Gigabyte H67A-UD3H-B3, full ATX Memory 4 GB Crucial DDR3-1333 Graphics Card none; graphics are integrated on CPU Sound Card onboard: Realtek ALC892; external: USB Behringer UF0-202 Monitor(s) Displays NEC 90GX2-BK 19" LCD Screen Resolution 800 x 640 Keyboard Leopold Tenkeyless with Cherry Blue switches, USB Mouse Logitech or Microsoft optical wired; either USB or PS 2 PSU Seasonic SS-560KM, modular Case Antec Solo II Cooling CPU: Scythe Big Shuriken; Case: Scythe Slipstream 800 & 500 Hard Drives System: Intel 320 Series SSD, 80 GB;
Data: Samsung Spinpoint 103SJ, 1 TB;
Backup: WD Caviar Green WD15EADS-00P8B0, 1.5TB Other Info Power consumption of this system, including monitor: 68 watts at idle; 144 watts at full load |
05 May 2012
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#6 | | |

Quote: Originally Posted by RobMidi I am currently running latest Vista 32 bit Ultimate retail. Whatever I do, I am told because I'm changing out the CPU, MOBO and GPU, I'll have to go with a new license, even if I stay with Vista. You won't need a new license, but rather you would simply have to reactivate your current license. 
Quote: Originally Posted by RobMidi Therefore, I am considering a retail version of Windows 7 Pro 64 bit. The main difference seems to be Bitlocker (don't need) and multiple language support (don't need either). Do you have a need for the features of Windows 7 Professional. Perhaps a Home Premium license would be more appropriate and would save you some money. 
Quote: Originally Posted by RobMidi does having 16 GB of memory allow a better multitasking experience? i HIGHLY doubt you would be able to see any difference with having 16GB of RAM. Unless you have specific programs or run multiple VM's at the same time, you really won't take advantage of that much RAM. Most people don't have a need for more than 4GB of RAM. Most people who have 8 barely take advantage of it. The only reason people run 16GB of RAM is because it's not terribly expensive, but it's likely not terribly beneficial either.
An 850W PSU is way overkill for this build too. A 650W would be more than enough. You might be able to save yourself some money there. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Self-Built in July 2009 OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 CPU Intel Q9550 2.83Ghz OC'd to 3.40Ghz Motherboard Gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3R rev. 1.1, F12 BIOS Memory 8GB G.Skill PI DDR2-800, 4-4-4-12 timings Graphics Card EVGA 1280MB Nvidia GeForce GTX570 Sound Card Realtek ALC899A 8 channel onboard audio Monitor(s) Displays 23" Acer x233H Screen Resolution 1920x1080 Keyboard ABS M1 Mechanical Mouse Logitech G9 Laser Mouse PSU Corsair 620HX modular Case Antec P182 Cooling stock Hard Drives Intel X25-M 80GB Gen 2 SSD
Western Digital 1TB Caviar Black, 32MB cache. WD1001FALS Internet Speed 15/2 cable modem Other Info Windows and Linux enthusiast. Logitech G35 Headset. |
05 May 2012
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#7 | | Windows 7 Ultimate 64 Southern California |
RobMidi,
Don't buy into the smaller PSU and stay with your original 850 game plan. The difference in cost is nominal and will allow future expansion is so desired. Just as I'm glad you're able to carry your case forward and other components, with the over spec purchase of the premium 850 watt PSU you will "future proof" your build and the next go round in 5+ years or so you can then chalk one more item off the upgrade list also it's been shown that the average PSU looses 5% of it's output a year to age and run cooler for these reasons and many other sound reasons I suggest you stay with the larger PSU. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number A blend of brains, brawn and dumb luck, ask me about rig #2 ! OS Windows 7 Ultimate 64 CPU i7 3770k OC'd 4.6 @ 1.17v, still love my FX 8120 Motherboard MSI P67A-GD80 b3 Memory 16 gb Crucial Ballistix Tracer DDR3 9-9-9-27 @ 2000 Graphics Card XFX Radeon 7870 Sound Card On board HD audio with lossless 24 bit/192 sample rate Monitor(s) Displays (2) LG LED 23" 1920 x 1080 2ms Monitors via mini d-port Screen Resolution 1680 X 1050 p Keyboard (2) Logitech Illuminated Keyboards (1) usb (1) wireless K800 Mouse Logitech G9x & T-BC21 - nano nx for the laptop PSU Ultra X4 modular 1050 watt 80% silver rating & APC 1200 RS Case CoolerMaster Storm Styker Cooling 6 case fans 140mm & 120mm, Thermaltake h2o extreme Hard Drives Samsung 256 gb 830 SSD sata III
(2) 1 tb Hitachi deskmates/sata II
(1) 1 tb WD green/sata II
(2) 2 tb WD My Book/esata
(1) 500 gb Sea. Freeagent/esata
(2) 250 gb Sea. Freeagent go's/usb
(1) WD 2 tb Green 64 sata III
(1) 120 gb OCZ Vertex SS Internet Speed Upgraded from bottom of the barrel to bareable Other Info 4 Noctua case fans + 3 Noctua in p/p on H100 cooler
Integrated hot swap drive bays for 2.5" Drives
(2) Lite-on dvd/cd optical 22X
Integrated fan controller and led on/off
HP Officejet Pro L7680 all-n-one
HP 4 laserjet (the beast)
Hot swappable 3.5" hard drive bay
Belkin Play N600 HD router
Asus USB 3 & sata 6 PCIe card
Vantec IDE to sata adptr./Ultra sata adptr
HP Probook i3 laptop |
06 May 2012
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#8 | | Windows Vista 32 bit Ultimate retail Central California |
Thanks for all your help First, to answer ignatzatsonic, I was told by one of my "bonus" sons (I hate the "step" label), who is in the (what I used to call Data Processing, back when I used 80 column punch cards) I.T. business, Genuine Advantage allows so many changes to hardware under an existing license. If you add a HD or another DVD burner or such, there is a numerical value that is added together. When it reaches 16, I think, it won't let you activate it without buying another license. The motherboard and cpu have much higher numeric values, as you might expect. Supposedly, it's to keep people from using bogus copies of Windows on their machines and burning copies for all their friends. So, if that's true, I can either upgrade to 32 bit 7 or I could do a clean install of 64 bit Vista, then do the build, then upgrade at a later date. My wife hates change, but two sons who have 7 say it's very close to Vista in appearance.
What I would really need out of Pro would be the XP mode for some obscure software I have.
To address pparks1, I have a CPU/RAM usage widget running in the sidebar that shows anywhere from a minimum of 68% usage up to about 85% when several different things are going on. This what led me to the idea of more ram.
Back when I was in D.P., I worked first with an IBM 403 Tab punch card system, and was DP Mgr when we made the leap into computers. Check it out: Our first was an NCR w/ 32k memory, two 4.9MB disk drives...one fixed, one removeable, and batch processing with real-time data entry (2 Crts). Jeez, my very first cell phone had more bang than that.
So, I've always had a mindset of overkill, where computing hardware is concerned. Now they call it "future proofing." I love it. I would rather get too much today and grow into it than have to do a major build more often. It's kinda like I wanted to put a 396 in my '65 Dodge Dart that had a 273!!!lol.
And to linnemeyerhere, I agree with you on the 850w supply for exactly the reasons you spell out. GMTA. I'd rather have a large block V-8 going up the Grapevine (I-5 from So Cal to Central Cal), and not be pushing the throttle too hard, than a 4 cylinder
winding out to 6k rpm just to make it to the top of the hill. Sorry for the retro metaphors.
I really do appreciate differing views and experience, which is exactly why I'm here before ordering anything, and am taking all suggestions into serious consideration. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Home Brew OS Windows Vista 32 bit Ultimate retail CPU Intel E6850 Dual Core 3Ghz Motherboard Asus P53E Deluxe Wifi @ app n Memory 4 GB (2x2) Corsair DDR3 1333Mhz Graphics Card ATI Radeon HD3800 w/ 512MB PCI-E Sound Card On board Soundmax 5.1 Monitor(s) Displays Viewsonic VX2255WM-4 PSU Coolermaster EMBAD-1-US 850 W Case Coolermaster Cosmos 1000 Cooling 120mm x 3 Hard Drives WDC WD5000ABYS-01TNA0 500 GB 7200 rpm
Seagate ST3500418AS 500 GB 7200 rpm
Hitachi HDS722020ALA330 2 TB 7200 rpm |
06 May 2012
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#9 | | Windows 7 SP1, Home Premium, 64-bit |

Quote: Originally Posted by RobMidi First, to answer ignatzatsonic, I was told by one of my "bonus" sons (I hate the "step" label), who is in the (what I used to call Data Processing, back when I used 80 column punch cards) I.T. business, Genuine Advantage allows so many changes to hardware under an existing license. If you add a HD or another DVD burner or such, there is a numerical value that is added together. When it reaches 16, I think, it won't let you activate it without buying another license. The motherboard and cpu have much higher numeric values, as you might expect. Supposedly, it's to keep people from using bogus copies of Windows on their machines and burning copies for all their friends.
What I would really need out of Pro would be the XP mode for some obscure software I have. Since you have a retail Vista license, I think your bonus son is simply wrong.
But that's immaterial if you are going to upgrade to 7 regardless. You may as well go to 64-bit while you are at it.
Much obscure software can be run in Windows Home Premium using compatibility mode.
You may or may not need to resort to the XP mode found in Professional. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Ignatz Special; 4 speed manual gearbox; factory air conditioning; one of one OS Windows 7 SP1, Home Premium, 64-bit CPU Intel Sandy Bridge i5-2500, not overclocked Motherboard Gigabyte H67A-UD3H-B3, full ATX Memory 4 GB Crucial DDR3-1333 Graphics Card none; graphics are integrated on CPU Sound Card onboard: Realtek ALC892; external: USB Behringer UF0-202 Monitor(s) Displays NEC 90GX2-BK 19" LCD Screen Resolution 800 x 640 Keyboard Leopold Tenkeyless with Cherry Blue switches, USB Mouse Logitech or Microsoft optical wired; either USB or PS 2 PSU Seasonic SS-560KM, modular Case Antec Solo II Cooling CPU: Scythe Big Shuriken; Case: Scythe Slipstream 800 & 500 Hard Drives System: Intel 320 Series SSD, 80 GB;
Data: Samsung Spinpoint 103SJ, 1 TB;
Backup: WD Caviar Green WD15EADS-00P8B0, 1.5TB Other Info Power consumption of this system, including monitor: 68 watts at idle; 144 watts at full load New build advice requested problems? All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:12 PM. | |