| Windows 7: Win 7 Ultimate duplicate User Files: Normal? |
25 May 2012
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#1 | | |
Win 7 Ultimate duplicate User Files: Normal? Hi, 1st post so if you're feelin cranky go ahead, I've thick skin and a sense of humor (left it in my commodore floppy drive though, just a sec, I'll get it...)..
Would like to know:
1. Is it broke?
2. Do I have 35,225 or 70,450 files on my hard drive?
Conventional wisdom would lead me to 1. No and 2. 35,225 files.
Toshiba U505-2002
Pentium Dual Core CPU T4400 2.20 GHz
4GB Ram (LOL!)
Windows 7 Ultimate, 32 bit
100gb hard drive, 70gb available, external 500gb plus various usb sticks, etc.
The following two directories (with sub-dirs) 'exist' on my laptop:
(no complex explanation of why or how this is 'standard', just want to know if it's 'normal'
C:\Documents and Settings (35,225 Files)
Sub Directories:
Administrator
Default
Jim
owner
Public
Seven
C:\Users (35,225 Files)
Sub Directories:
Administrator
Default
Jim
owner
Public
Seven
Experience taught me, long ago, that the ANSWER, the WHY is hardly ever worth the time it takes to figure it out cuz it's really the FIX that one is most earnestly seeking, and I'm indifferent to pursuing the Phi Beta Kappa Sigma Cum Loudly learning curve since Windows 3.0 arrived, as long as there isn't, never was, nor ever will be a problem that hasn't been resolved with the proper tools, foot, hammer, etc., and/or knowledge of HOW to fix it..
For example, I don't have a single CLUE as to WHY my previous laptop began working again AFTER I tossed it out my fourth floor apartment window, missing the dumpster I was aiming for but I could hear my recording of John Belushi swearing that it wasn't HIS fault about 3 minutes after following my shrinks advice and heaving-ho then punching my sofa cushions... sigh!
Sooooo... Yes No... 35 or 70 thousand files?
THANKS VERY MUCH IN ADVANCE FOR ANY HELP OR ONE-LINERS THAT I CAN RECYCLE...
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| System Manufacturer/Model Number Toshiba U505-2002 OS Windows 7 Ultimate x32 CPU Pentium Dual Core CPU T4400 2.20 GHz Motherboard References to a motherboard on this PC do not exist. Memory 4GB (LOL! 2.98 really) Graphics Card Mobile Intel(R) 4 Series Express Chipset Family Sound Card High Definition Audio Device Monitor(s) Displays Generic PnP Display: Great Wall Flat Panel PSU Jeez, Lousie! can I paste my device manager listings? Case Yes, black. Cooling Yes. Hard Drives 1x100GB, 70GB available, external 500GB, various USB 'sticks' |
25 May 2012
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#2 | | MS Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 64-bit Austin, Texas |
Not normal.
What handy-dandy, super cleanup, speedup, wonder software did you install?
What software did you use to show that info?
Possible is that the 3rd party super program is reporting incorrectly.
Download TreeSizeFree, use same to display your C drive folders & subfolders,
Make a snip using the snipping tool of the display
Upload the snip.
For treesize free: JAM Software - Windows Freeware
to make a snip: Make a snapshot (Snip) WIN | type SNIP | ENTER | New Drag the cursor around the area you want to snip. File | Save as | select save location and name | Save WIN=key with the Microsoft logo on top.
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to upload: Post a File or Screenshot in Seven Forums | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Toshiba Satellite S875D-S7239 laptop OS MS Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 64-bit CPU AMD A10-4600M Motherboard AMD Pumori (Socket FT1) Memory 6.00 GB Dual-Channel DDR3 @ 798MHz (11-11-12-28) Graphics Card AMD Radeon HD 7660G Sound Card High Definition Audio Device Monitor(s) Displays Generic PnP Monitor (1600x900@60Hz) Screen Resolution 1600x900@60Hz Keyboard Standard PS/2 Keyboard Mouse HP Wireless Optical Mobile Mouse Model FHA-3410 Hard Drives SSD 119GB Corsair CSSD-V128GB2 ATA Device Internet Speed What the local pub, local coffee shop offers. Other Info Optical Drive:MATSHITA BD-CMB UJ160B ATA Device
Also have an Asus ha1002xp netbook with Win 7 Ultimate installed. |
25 May 2012
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#3 | | |
You shouldn't even have access to Documents and Settings... | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Alienware Aurora ALX R4 OS Windows 7 x64 (SP1) CPU Intel Core i7-3930K (3.2GHz, Turbo 4GHz) Motherboard Alienware Aurora-R4 x79 Memory 4x Samsung 4GB PC3-12800 DDR3 (16GB 1600MHz) Graphics Card Nvidia Geforce GTX 690 (Stock) Sound Card RealTek Integrated Audio Monitor(s) Displays Dell UltraSharp U3011 Screen Resolution 2560x1600 PSU 875W Some Dell PSU <.< Hard Drives Samsung P830 256 GB, WD Raptor 150GB, 2x 1TB HDDs Other Info Dell Inspiron Mini 10v (Intel Atom N270 1.6 GHz; 1GB; Windows 7 Ultimate) |
25 May 2012
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#4 | | MS Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 64-bit Austin, Texas |
logicearth,
100% correct which I why I suspect a 3rd party program or other questionable activity.
Let's see what we will see. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Toshiba Satellite S875D-S7239 laptop OS MS Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 64-bit CPU AMD A10-4600M Motherboard AMD Pumori (Socket FT1) Memory 6.00 GB Dual-Channel DDR3 @ 798MHz (11-11-12-28) Graphics Card AMD Radeon HD 7660G Sound Card High Definition Audio Device Monitor(s) Displays Generic PnP Monitor (1600x900@60Hz) Screen Resolution 1600x900@60Hz Keyboard Standard PS/2 Keyboard Mouse HP Wireless Optical Mobile Mouse Model FHA-3410 Hard Drives SSD 119GB Corsair CSSD-V128GB2 ATA Device Internet Speed What the local pub, local coffee shop offers. Other Info Optical Drive:MATSHITA BD-CMB UJ160B ATA Device
Also have an Asus ha1002xp netbook with Win 7 Ultimate installed. |
25 May 2012
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#5 | | |
For what it's worth (and NOT including any presumptive expertise exceeding that of my 11 year old nephew) I am 64, got my first TRASH-80 PC at 17, my fingers have touched a keyboard, daily, for the past 47 years.
I missed three years of grade school but I caught up at the Library.
So what you will see that you see is pretty much what you perceive correctly: a voluntary state of ignorance in the more advanced areas of operating systems and modern hardware. This MAY be coming to an end as your selection of tutorials is nothing short of AWESOME.
I, as the 'Secret Administrator', have taken ownership of most files and folders while 'sharing' all of the files on my PC. which I have done continuously for the 30 or 31 computers I have owned and operated.
Only had one problem (although my friends have been less fortunate), last year, Bronk Virus, this laptop.
Used KASPERSKY RESCUE DISK 10.0 to deal with that and although I found remnants weeks later, no attributable problems since.
Here is a list from my Program Files Directory.. (a list of Dir/Files in my root is below)
-if you do not recognize any that concern you please let me know and I'll give you the C.V. on them... Code:
Used these for YEARS, some for over ten years...
1BY1
7-ZIP
CATHY
CCLEANER
ERUNT
HIJACKTHIS
IRFANVIEW
JETAUDIO
K-LITE CODEC PACK
MICROSOFT FRONTPAGE
MICROSOFT OFFICE
MOZILLA FIREFOX
SCANDIR
SPYBOT - SEARCH & DESTROY
SYSFILELISTER
TURBO NAVIGATOR
TXTCOLLECTOR
Used these a few times, not much interest
AWATCH
BIGTIME
MYEVENTVIEWER
PINGVIEW
PROCESSACTIVITYVIEW
PROCESSEXPLORER
SIMPO PDF TO TEXT
UNINSTALL TOOL
UNLOCKER
WIN MALSOFTREMOVE
FOXIT READER
ICONSEXT
IP SCANNER
MOZILLA THUNDERBIRD
NETRESVIEW
NETROUTEVIEW
NETSPEEDMONITOR
NETSTATMONITOR
NETWORK STUMBLER
WIFIINSPECTOR
WIRELESSNETVIEW
Reviewed most of these without installing
Unless they can solve a problem I've no interest:
ADDRVIEW
AUTOMODE
AUTORUNS
CPORTS
CPROCESS
DCHPWATCHER
DEVMANVIEW
DNSDATAVIEW
DOWNTESTER NIRSOFT
DRIVERVIEW
DVD MAKER
ENHANCEWIN7
FALCON
FAVIEW
FILELIST CMD
FILETYPESMAN
FOLREP
GRANKCMD
INTERNET EXPLORER
JAVA
MACADDRESSVIEW
MICROSOFT GAMES
MICROSOFT VISUAL STUDIO
MICROSOFT.NET
MSBUILD
NETBALANCER
NIRCMD
NIREXT
NK2EDIT
PERFPING_201
PINGER
PORTPEEKER
REGFILEEXPORT
RESOURCESEXTRACT
SCAN
SEARCHMYFILES
SERVIWIN
SG TCP
SNREMOVE
SOCKETSNIFF
SPECIALFOLDERSVIEW
TOSHIBA
UACTS_X86
VISTUMBLER
WHATINSTARTUP
WHOSIP
WINDOWS DEFENDER
WINDOWS MAIL
WINDOWS MEDIA PLAYER
WINDOWS NT
WINDOWS PHOTO VIEWER
WINDOWS PORTABLE DEVICES
WINDOWS SIDEBAR
WINLISTER
WINPREFETCHVIEW
These I mostly ignore (not WLAN)
COMMON FILES
CONDUIT
INSTALLSHIELD INFO
INTEL
REALTEK WLAN DRIVER
REFERENCE ASSEMBLIES
UNINSTALL INFORMATION
ROOT DIRECTORY
$RECYCLE.BIN
ADMIN
AUTORUN.INF
BOOKMARKS
DEVICE
DOCUMENTS AND SETTINGS
INTEL
KASPERSKY RESCUE DISK 10.0
MSO_TEMP
PERFLOGS
PROGRAM FILES
PROGRAMDATA
RECOVERY
SYSTEM VOLUME INFORMATION
TEMP
TWWGPC_TEMP
USERS
WINDOWS
config.sys
pagefile.sys
Last edited by Brink; 25 May 2012 at 11:47 AM..
Reason: code box
| My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Toshiba U505-2002 OS Windows 7 Ultimate x32 CPU Pentium Dual Core CPU T4400 2.20 GHz Motherboard References to a motherboard on this PC do not exist. Memory 4GB (LOL! 2.98 really) Graphics Card Mobile Intel(R) 4 Series Express Chipset Family Sound Card High Definition Audio Device Monitor(s) Displays Generic PnP Display: Great Wall Flat Panel PSU Jeez, Lousie! can I paste my device manager listings? Case Yes, black. Cooling Yes. Hard Drives 1x100GB, 70GB available, external 500GB, various USB 'sticks' |
25 May 2012
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#6 | | MS Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit SP1 Somewhere in the middle of Desert :-) |
C:\Documents and Settings is not a real folder but only a link (Junction Point) to C:\Users. Windows 7 OS creates this link (with attributes Hidden, System and Directory) only for backward compatibility for older XP programs which look for this location to copy configuration files. Windows 7 OS does not need this folder. Hence it is hidden and locked.
You can see this folder only when you remove the check mark for Hide protected operating system files in Folder options. But you can not open this folder from windows explorer (Lock symbol on folder icon).
Third party explorers like xplorer2 will allow you to open it to show the same contents as C:\Users.
In reality the files are stored only in C:\Users and not in C:\Documents and Settings. This behavior is normal for Windows 7 OS.
Last edited by rraod; 25 May 2012 at 12:53 PM..
Reason: Added (Junction Point)
| My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Toshiba Satellite P775-S7232 OS MS Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit SP1 CPU i5-2410M 2.3GHz (2.9GHz Turbo-Boost) Sandy Bridge 32nm Motherboard Toshiba PHRAA ver. PSBY1U-00F003 Memory 4GB+4GB Samsung DDR3 PC3-10700 (1333 MHz) Graphics Card Video Intel(R) HD Graphics Family, 1696MB available memory Sound Card Realtek High Definition Audio version=6.0.1.6323 Monitor(s) Displays 17.3 " Trubrite TFT LCD, LED Backlit Screen Resolution 1600x900 32 bit, Native support for 720P content Keyboard Premium Raised Tile keyboard Mouse Logitech M215 wireless mouse PSU Toshiba AC/DC Adapter Case Notebook Cooling Built-in Fan Hard Drives TOSHIBA MK6476GSXN
580.614 [GB] partitioned C: 80GB and D: 500GB with hidden recovery partitons.
Spare bay for 2nd HDD but no SATA connector :-( Internet Speed Not fast enough Other Info Built-in Harman Kardon speakers with Dolby Advanced Audio, Waves MaxxAudio® 3. HDMI, 1xUSB3+3xUSB2 ports, WebCam, Battery life 4hrs 11mins, 4GB Readyboost SDHC card, WD My Book Essential Ext HDDs 2 TB, 2x1TB, My Passport SE 1TB and WDTV 1st Gen for Multimedia playing on a Sony Wega 32" LCD.
Recent addition to my toys are Asus Transformer Pad TF300T with 32GB onboard sd card + 32GB microsd card. |
25 May 2012
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#7 | | |
File listing in Excel 
Quote: Originally Posted by karlsnooks logicearth,
100% correct which I why I suspect a 3rd party program or other questionable activity.
Let's see what we will see. Attached please find an Excel worksheet with a list of files, paths, sizes, dates and times just from scanning with ScanDir (skybird.net/ScanDir) copied to a text file using SysFileLister and then pasted to Excel.
These files are ONLY from C:\Documents and Settings
I tried that 'come buy this program if you really want it to be productive' tree thingy but found the non-hooked freeware programs that I have been using for years adequate enough for the moment.
Trying to remove that FILE LIST zip file... as it's superfluous...
Last edited by JimHarmon; 25 May 2012 at 01:05 PM..
Reason: Solution provided by rraod, thank you..
| My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Toshiba U505-2002 OS Windows 7 Ultimate x32 CPU Pentium Dual Core CPU T4400 2.20 GHz Motherboard References to a motherboard on this PC do not exist. Memory 4GB (LOL! 2.98 really) Graphics Card Mobile Intel(R) 4 Series Express Chipset Family Sound Card High Definition Audio Device Monitor(s) Displays Generic PnP Display: Great Wall Flat Panel PSU Jeez, Lousie! can I paste my device manager listings? Case Yes, black. Cooling Yes. Hard Drives 1x100GB, 70GB available, external 500GB, various USB 'sticks' |
25 May 2012
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#8 | | |
Why do you have an autorun.inf in your root directory?
As others have mentioned, the C:\Documents and Settings folder is visible, but not traversable on a stock Windows 7 system. It's simply a junction to C:\Users for unaware programs, it's security settings are set such that they prevent these unaware programs from getting into an endless loop if they try to traverse the folders.
Unsure of what happens when you take ownership as you did; it's typically best not to make any modification to their properties (there are quite a few of these junctions and symbolic links on your system). | My System Specs | | OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 |
25 May 2012
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#9 | | |

Quote: Originally Posted by rraod C:\Documents and Settings is not a real folder but only a link (Junction Point) to C:\Users. Windows 7 OS creates this link (with attributes Hidden, System and Directory) only for backward compatibility for older XP programs which look for this location to copy configuration files. Windows 7 OS does not need this folder. Hence it is hidden and locked.
You can see this folder only when you remove the check mark for Hide protected operating system files in Folder options. But you can not open this folder from windows explorer (Lock symbol on folder icon).
Third party explorers like xplorer2 will allow you to open it to show the same contents as C:\Users.
In reality the files are stored only in C:\Users and not in C:\Documents and Settings. This behavior is normal for Windows 7 OS. AHA! The light goes on... that sounds very very familiar, kewl, thank you very very much for your cogent assistance... Looking around to see if I can 'score' your reply.... | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Toshiba U505-2002 OS Windows 7 Ultimate x32 CPU Pentium Dual Core CPU T4400 2.20 GHz Motherboard References to a motherboard on this PC do not exist. Memory 4GB (LOL! 2.98 really) Graphics Card Mobile Intel(R) 4 Series Express Chipset Family Sound Card High Definition Audio Device Monitor(s) Displays Generic PnP Display: Great Wall Flat Panel PSU Jeez, Lousie! can I paste my device manager listings? Case Yes, black. Cooling Yes. Hard Drives 1x100GB, 70GB available, external 500GB, various USB 'sticks' |
25 May 2012
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#10 | | |
[QUOTE=F5ing;1937525]Why do you have an autorun.inf in your root directory?
Never confirmed this however it seemed a harmless effort at the time: with that folder in my root I understood that another FILE of the same name cannot be run and/or added thus helping in some small way to avoid the less erudite of those wishing to, well, destroy computers... your opinion? | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Toshiba U505-2002 OS Windows 7 Ultimate x32 CPU Pentium Dual Core CPU T4400 2.20 GHz Motherboard References to a motherboard on this PC do not exist. Memory 4GB (LOL! 2.98 really) Graphics Card Mobile Intel(R) 4 Series Express Chipset Family Sound Card High Definition Audio Device Monitor(s) Displays Generic PnP Display: Great Wall Flat Panel PSU Jeez, Lousie! can I paste my device manager listings? Case Yes, black. Cooling Yes. Hard Drives 1x100GB, 70GB available, external 500GB, various USB 'sticks' Win 7 Ultimate duplicate User Files: Normal? problems? All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:43 PM. | |