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Windows 7: ssd problems

21 Nov 2012   #11
gregrocker

 

Looks like you've set your Paging File to 24.5 gb which is way too high since the System only sets an amount approx equal to your physical RAM. This is why I don't recommend messing with it since this function is perfected in Win7.

If I were you I would tick the Box for System Managed Size, highlight C drive, then check the Box to Automatically Manage, click OK and Apply.

Once you see what size is then allocated at the bottom of the Virtual Memory box, let us know if you think it's more than you can afford on such a large SSD.

Unless the SSD fills up I would also not sacrifice the modern Hibernate function if you wish to use it to save your work when you walk away for an extended time.

Before I would sacrifice vital vital System Functions I would have all data linked from a HDD, then if SSD gets full reinstall lesser-used programs to HD or buy a larger SSD.


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22 Nov 2012   #12
pmk

windows 7 (64 bit)
 
 
ssd problems

Hi Greg (is that your real name?)
Thanks so much for your maill.
I changed the virtual memory setting as you advised and immediately gained ....13 Gb on my ssd disk.
I'll send you the new screenshot and perhaps you could look if this is how I can leave it.
I'll also send you a complete screenshot of my windirstat.
Are there any programs on my list that you would advise me to transfer to my D disk?
I don't quite understand what you mean with the 2 last sentences in you mail.
Especially the last one:
Unless the SSD fills up I would also not sacrifice the modern Hibernate function if you wish to use it to save your work when you walk away for an extended time.

Before I would sacrifice vital vital System Functions I would have all data linked from a HDD, then if SSD gets full reinstall lesser-used programs to HD or buy a larger SSD.

Should I reinsytall systemrestore, which has always been switced off so far?
Thanks again for all yur trouble and greetings from a very cold Amsterdam.


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22 Nov 2012   #13
gregrocker

 

You want System Restore as your first line of defense in case of catastrophic problems. Let the System set its size as well and don't reduce it unless absolutely necessary. System Protection - Change Disk Space Usage

I like the Hibernate function so I can walk away from my PC and not have to worry about saving my work, so I don't encourage others to sacrifice it since there's no need.

Make sure all of your data is in User folders you set up on your HDD and then link to the related Library - Include a Folder - Windows 7 Forums.

If you get low disk warning on the SSD, uninstall lesser used programs and then reinstall them to the HDD.
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22 Nov 2012   #14
DavidE

Multi-Boot W7_Pro_x64 W8.1_Pro_x64 W10_Pro_x64
 
 

Looking at the specs.doc in post #4, I think pmk does have 16 GB RAM.

I doubt a 16 GB pagefile is really needed, so I would manage the size myself with a 1 GB minimum and 8 GB maximum.
This should allow creating DMP files if ever needed, and allow programs that do want to use it to not cause errors.

For Hibernate the default size is 75% of RAM.
It can be adjusted down to 50% of RAM.

The Page File (pagefile.sys) can be moved to a different drive/partition than the C: partition.
The Hibernate File (hiberfil.sys) can NOT be moved to a different drive/partition than the C: partition.

I see the value in Restore Points, but I prefer System Backup Images for a more reliable restore if needed.
I use both, a Backup Image is a full partition backup/restore, a Restore Point is NOT.
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22 Nov 2012   #15
gregrocker

 

David, does the page file also benefit from the faster speed on SSD under most circumstances? Is it even used much with 16gb RAM so that it matters where it is?
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22 Nov 2012   #16
DavidE

Multi-Boot W7_Pro_x64 W8.1_Pro_x64 W10_Pro_x64
 
 

That is a question that has been talked about in other threads I've seen here.
I believe IF the pagefile is used an SSD should help with faster performance.

In my testing I've never seen the pagefile used or the size increase with 4-8 GB RAM.
Some of my systems are set to a min 200 MB pagefile...the min required for a small DMP.

From what I've read some programs will always use the pagefile, but i haven't seen that or have those programs.
So for me, manually setting the size works best.

I've been using this approach for a long time without issues on multiple systems.
I do periodically check the size to keep an eye on it and see if it has increased, but not as much as I did at first...
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22 Nov 2012   #17
Dwarf

Windows 8.1 Pro RTM x64
 
 

When I installed my OSes, each in a 60GB partition (Vista on the first SSD and 7 & 8 in equal partitions on the second SSD), the pagefiles (PF) were setup so that Vista placed it on the first HDD whereas 7 & 8 placed it into the OS partitions. As I like consistency across my OSes, and for drive letters to represent what is on the partition, I made some changes. In all OSes, I initially disabled the PF to allow me to reassign the drive letters. I then created a partition 1.5X the amount of RAM (16GB RAM, therefore partition 24GB) on one of my HDDs, labelled it P and then placed the PF on it (always rebooting to ensure that changes were kept). All these were System Managed. In 7 & 8, I also placed a fixed 1GB PF in the OS partition.

My SSD/HDD drive partitions:

SSDs:

C > Current running OS.
D,E > Other OSes (not running).

HDDs:

P > Paging File
W > Wallpapers
U > Users
M > Media
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22 Nov 2012   #18
DavidE

Multi-Boot W7_Pro_x64 W8.1_Pro_x64 W10_Pro_x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Dwarf View Post
When I installed my OSes, each in a 60GB partition (Vista on the first SSD and 7 & 8 in equal partitions on the second SSD), the pagefiles (PF) were setup so that Vista placed it on the first HDD whereas 7 & 8 placed it into the OS partitions.
Did you have an SSD and a HDD connected when you installed Vista (and 7/8)?

I always only have one SSD or HD connected when I install an OS.
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22 Nov 2012   #19
whs
Microsoft MVP

Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by gregrocker View Post
David, does the page file also benefit from the faster speed on SSD under most circumstances? Is it even used much with 16gb RAM so that it matters where it is?
Greg, with 16GB of RAM, the pagefile will never be used. Those hard faults you see in e.g. Resource Monitor, are fake faults. Someone is only using the paging algorithm to get his bits into RAM. That's why I always reduce the pagefile to 2GB - some even 1GB.
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23 Nov 2012   #20
pmk

windows 7 (64 bit)
 
 
ssd problems

Hi Greg,
After the last message I just read concerning turnining my pagefile down to 2, or even 1 Gb. I don't quite know what to do.
In case I would have to change, how would it have to look?
I am enclosing the situation as it is now, once again.
My question probably sounds stupid, but I have no knowledge or experience on this matter whatsoever.
Thanks, Peter
Did the screenshot of windirstat make any sense?
Greetings, Peter


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