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Windows 7: Why is Windows 7 64-bit not 64-bit?

06 Dec 2012   #71
FuturDreamz

Windows 8 Pro (32-bit)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Nigsy View Post
The annoying thing about this thread is, It could actually be a usefull discussion.
I've never given any thought to my 64bit install, and just accepted the need for backwards compatibility. Some of the info on here has been useful helping me understand why need a x86 folder.

But I guess the question remains...so why not pure 64bit? and this isn't aimed at MS (I don't believe they've proclaimed W7 64bit as exclusively that). What if I had a pure 64bit windows/ linux / OsX - what wouldn't work??

Or would software houses and manufacturers just have to accept the situation and get on with realising that 64bit is the only way??
I think it's basically effort management. It is possible to create a full 64-bit only OS, but then all components will need to be converted in order to do so, even components that do not benefit and simply become more complicated.

I'd like to believe that Spock3 is just a tactless troll, but I've given up figuring out if people are trolls or not and simply assume they are a little off in the head.


Spock3, give it up. You're basically rejecting a surgeon's word that the heart exists.


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06 Dec 2012   #72
Parman

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

With Microsoft you will always get what they give you nothing more or nothing less. If you want to learn how to code and create your own kernel I'm sure that you could write it to only use 64 bit architecture.
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06 Dec 2012   #73
mitchell65

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 7601 Multiprocessor Free Service Pack 1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by parman View Post
With Microsoft you will always get what they give you nothing more or nothing less.
I have no connection with Microsoft at all but the above is not quite true. MS give us nothing. They are, after all, a commercial enterprise and we have the choice whether we buy their products or not. If we don't like the product they are offering for sale then we don't have to buy it.
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06 Dec 2012   #74
Parman

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by mitchell65 View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by parman View Post
With Microsoft you will always get what they give you nothing more or nothing less.
I have no connection with Microsoft at all but the above is not quite true. MS give us nothing. They are, after all, a commercial enterprise and we have the choice whether we buy their products or not.
I meant more of what they give you in the operating system. Of course they dont give you the OS, and you have to make the decision to purchase it
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06 Dec 2012   #75
logicearth

Windows 10 Pro (x64)
 
 

Lets clear something up. A pure 64bit OS is not an OS that only runs 64bit program. No, Windows 7 x64, *nix x64 is already a pure 64bit OS that runs on the x86-64 platform. A pure 64bit OS is capable of running 64 bit applications, 32bit applications and 16bit applications perfectly fine. Being able to run those others does not make the OS any less pure. A developer can use 64bit integers or 32bit integers to 16bit integers on a 64bit system, it does not make it any less pure 64bit.

* If you are curious why the 64bit version of Windows does not run 16bit applications, its not because it cannot rather the 16bit applications that were made for Windows require the legacy mode on the CPU. Switching the CPU to this mode is not an option.
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06 Dec 2012   #76
whs
Microsoft MVP

Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
 
 

I think the OP is chasing a red herring.
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06 Dec 2012   #77
sgage

Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by whs View Post
I think the OP is chasing a red herring.
I think the OP is a troll, and/or doesn't know what he's talking about.
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06 Dec 2012   #78
Britton30
Microsoft MVP

Windows 7 Ultimate X64 SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Spock3 View Post
Dear DeaconFrost, I mentioned before that I don't have an Internet connection with this computer! I also mentioned that I don't use any 32-bit applications. I only question the term 64-bit operating system, which isn't the truth. They should call it 'Hybrid OS' or something.
Does show extreme lack of understanding.
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06 Dec 2012   #79
mitchell65

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 7601 Multiprocessor Free Service Pack 1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Britton30 View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Spock3 View Post
Dear DeaconFrost, I mentioned before that I don't have an Internet connection with this computer! I also mentioned that I don't use any 32-bit applications. I only question the term 64-bit operating system, which isn't the truth. They should call it 'Hybrid OS' or something.
Does show extreme lack of understanding.
Shows a lot more to me than a lack of understanding. The OP is a very poor quality wind up merchant (IMHO, of course)
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06 Dec 2012   #80
Lady Fitzgerald

Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Spock3 View Post
And if I took those classes, dear whs, I would come to the conclusion that Windows 7 x64 is not a pure 64-bit operating system. And then you would argue none of them are, and you know that it's not true. However, the WoW layer produces problems, because it tempts users to use 32 and 64-bit plug-ins which are handled by what is called a "bridge" and what produces unexpected results. It is a compromise, and some people hate to compromise. I guess you would also compromise when you choose your partner. However, I won't. I'd rather try to find the pure one. I only want to name things as they are: Windows 7 has a 64-bit architecture with a 32-bit emulation. But it is not a pure 64-bit operating system.
I love how you proved Michell65's point.
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