Solved Why is Windows 7 64-bit not 64-bit?

King Arthur · Dec 6, 2012

Windows 7 x64 is a 64-bit operating system, it just has a 32-bit compatibility layer inside it just like how Windows 7 x86 (which is 32-bit) has a 16-bit compatibility layer inside it.

If you want to remove the compatibility layer (known as WoW, Windows on Windows), then you're more than welcome to try. If you want to delete "Program Files (x86)" folder, you're more than welcome to do it. It's your computer and Windows will allow you to tamper with its system files and directories if you so wish.

mitchell65 · Dec 6, 2012

I'm finding this thread a very interesting psychological experimant. Everytime Spock3 is presented with any form of logic he/she fights to get out of the corner he/she has created. Weird but interesting! I wonder how it will end?

boohbah · Dec 6, 2012

mitchell65 said:
Weird but interesting! I wonder how it will end?

Messy!

whs · Dec 6, 2012

The title of this paragraph was:

Why 64-bit apps cannot load 32-bit Dll's & 32-bit apps load 64-bit Dll's

Whilst that is correct, it does not at all pertain to the capability of 64bit processors to run 32bit programs. It is only talking about mixing 64bit programs (apps) with 32bit DLLs - and vice versa.

Young man, if you want to continue this discussion with a useful result, I advise you to first take a class in processor architecture - and a class in operating system architecture would not hurt either.

Spock3 · Dec 6, 2012

And if I took those classes, dear whs, I would come to the conclusion that Windows 7 x64 is not a pure 64-bit operating system. And then you would argue none of them are, and you know that it's not true. However, the WoW layer produces problems, because it tempts users to use 32 and 64-bit plug-ins which are handled by what is called a "bridge" and what produces unexpected results. It is a compromise, and some people hate to compromise. I guess you would also compromise when you choose your partner. However, I won't. I'd rather try to find the pure one. I only want to name things as they are: Windows 7 has a 64-bit architecture with a 32-bit emulation. But it is not a pure 64-bit operating system.

Bongo · Dec 6, 2012

ganjiry · Dec 6, 2012

I wonder how old this person actually is, A kid trollin or an old person stuck in their ways?
Either way this is still one of the strangest threads i've seen here. Would'nt it be better to do something usefull like study the subject you claim to know so much more about than all the people here. Or sit here waiting for people to reply to a thread thats not ever going to end how you want it.
You've been on this page constantly since starting the thread. Busy music making :sleepy:

Nigsy · Dec 6, 2012

The annoying thing about this thread is, It could actually be a usefull discussion.
I've never given any thought to my 64bit install, and just accepted the need for backwards compatibility. Some of the info on here has been useful helping me understand why need a x86 folder.

But I guess the question remains...so why not pure 64bit? and this isn't aimed at MS (I don't believe they've proclaimed W7 64bit as exclusively that). What if I had a pure 64bit windows/ linux / OsX - what wouldn't work??

Or would software houses and manufacturers just have to accept the situation and get on with realising that 64bit is the only way??

whs · Dec 6, 2012

I guess you would also compromise when you choose your partner. However, I won't. I'd rather try to find the pure one.

Good luck. You have your whole life to find one like that.

boohbah · Dec 6, 2012

I guess you would also compromise when you choose your partner. However, I won't. I'd rather try to find the pure one.

life is about compromise, particularly relationships.
you will be waiting a long time for miss perfect in every way to come along.
and when she does she will probably find your standards to high to keep up with.
then it will be why does a 36DD insist on wearing a B cup when she is clearly a C cup :sarc:

FuturDreamz · Dec 6, 2012

Nigsy said:
The annoying thing about this thread is, It could actually be a usefull discussion.
I've never given any thought to my 64bit install, and just accepted the need for backwards compatibility. Some of the info on here has been useful helping me understand why need a x86 folder.

But I guess the question remains...so why not pure 64bit? and this isn't aimed at MS (I don't believe they've proclaimed W7 64bit as exclusively that). What if I had a pure 64bit windows/ linux / OsX - what wouldn't work??

Or would software houses and manufacturers just have to accept the situation and get on with realising that 64bit is the only way??

I think it's basically effort management. It is possible to create a full 64-bit only OS, but then all components will need to be converted in order to do so, even components that do not benefit and simply become more complicated.

I'd like to believe that Spock3 is just a tactless troll, but I've given up figuring out if people are trolls or not and simply assume they are a little off in the head.

Spock3, give it up. You're basically rejecting a surgeon's word that the heart exists.

Parman · Dec 6, 2012

With Microsoft you will always get what they give you nothing more or nothing less. If you want to learn how to code and create your own kernel I'm sure that you could write it to only use 64 bit architecture.

mitchell65 · Dec 6, 2012

parman said:
With Microsoft you will always get what they give you nothing more or nothing less.

I have no connection with Microsoft at all but the above is not quite true. MS give us nothing. They are, after all, a commercial enterprise and we have the choice whether we buy their products or not. If we don't like the product they are offering for sale then we don't have to buy it.

Parman · Dec 6, 2012

mitchell65 said:
parman said:

With Microsoft you will always get what they give you nothing more or nothing less.

Click to expand...

I have no connection with Microsoft at all but the above is not quite true. MS give us nothing. They are, after all, a commercial enterprise and we have the choice whether we buy their products or not.

I meant more of what they give you in the operating system. Of course they dont give you the OS, and you have to make the decision to purchase it

logicearth · Dec 6, 2012

Lets clear something up. A pure 64bit OS is not an OS that only runs 64bit program. No, Windows 7 x64, *nix x64 is already a pure 64bit OS that runs on the x86-64 platform. A pure 64bit OS is capable of running 64 bit applications, 32bit applications and 16bit applications perfectly fine. Being able to run those others does not make the OS any less pure. A developer can use 64bit integers or 32bit integers to 16bit integers on a 64bit system, it does not make it any less pure 64bit.

* If you are curious why the 64bit version of Windows does not run 16bit applications, its not because it cannot rather the 16bit applications that were made for Windows require the legacy mode on the CPU. Switching the CPU to this mode is not an option.

whs · Dec 6, 2012

I think the OP is chasing a red herring.

sgage · Dec 6, 2012

whs said:
I think the OP is chasing a red herring.

I think the OP is a troll, and/or doesn't know what he's talking about.

Britton30 · Dec 6, 2012

Spock3 said:
Dear DeaconFrost, I mentioned before that I don't have an Internet connection with this computer! I also mentioned that I don't use any 32-bit applications. I only question the term 64-bit operating system, which isn't the truth. They should call it 'Hybrid OS' or something.

Does show extreme lack of understanding. :huh:

mitchell65 · Dec 6, 2012

Britton30 said:
Spock3 said:

Dear DeaconFrost, I mentioned before that I don't have an Internet connection with this computer! I also mentioned that I don't use any 32-bit applications. I only question the term 64-bit operating system, which isn't the truth. They should call it 'Hybrid OS' or something.

Click to expand...

Does show extreme lack of understanding. :huh:

Shows a lot more to me than a lack of understanding. The OP is a very poor quality wind up merchant (IMHO, of course)

Lady Fitzgerald · Dec 6, 2012

Spock3 said:
And if I took those classes, dear whs, I would come to the conclusion that Windows 7 x64 is not a pure 64-bit operating system. And then you would argue none of them are, and you know that it's not true. However, the WoW layer produces problems, because it tempts users to use 32 and 64-bit plug-ins which are handled by what is called a "bridge" and what produces unexpected results. It is a compromise, and some people hate to compromise. I guess you would also compromise when you choose your partner. However, I won't. I'd rather try to find the pure one. I only want to name things as they are: Windows 7 has a 64-bit architecture with a 32-bit emulation. But it is not a pure 64-bit operating system.

I love how you proved Michell65's point.

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