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Windows 7: No multi physical cpu support!


05 Oct 2009   #1

windows7
 
 

My system is a Asus L1N84 WS SLI FX74 This system has two physical processors on it. So its two dual cores making it 4 cores.(this is the main focus of this thread being started)
I have had this system since vista was new.
When I biult this system I ordered a copy of Vista Home Premium

When I got it up and running I noticed that when I went to system info it said I had 2 processors. Well I called Asus and AMD and Microsoft. And all of them said that the reason I was seeing two processors is because I have two processors. Me not wanting to hear it did alot of research until I found one thing that told me I was just being told what they thought would get me off the phone with them. And I am having the same issue with Windows7 RC1

What I told them is that is not a good answer because my previous system said I had 2 processors and that system was an AMD 4200 X2
So it said 2 processors and it was just ONE dual core.

Not to mention that this board got a horrible write up against Intel which caused AMD to trash the whole 4x4 idea. Bad for them because this is one hell of a system with all four cores running. Which were not running during those benchmarks against the Intel quad 6700 at the time. Remember I said I installed Vista Home premium. Well it turned out while I was searching Microsofts web site I looked at the differences between Vista Home premium and ULTIMATE. There was my answer staring me right in the face.... Ultimate was the only version that had MULTI PHYSICAL CPU SUPPORT! So I then purchased Vista Ultimate and checked the amount of processors in the system window and also In CPUZ . And there they were......4 processors... Needless to say that I quickly benchmarked it again on pcpitstop and 3dmark 06 and on pcpitstop my numbers doubled!!!
Literally DOUBLED. Because now the other processor was being utilized.

I add in here about the issue with the Intel benchmark just to say that this system is and was totally comparable to any intel system at that time and AMD scrapped it because of a faulty test!!! The sites that did their reviews were only running one of the dual cores which is why it was only slightly better then one FX 60 in there reports!! THIS is over DOUBLE and FX 60 with all 4 cores running!

Anyway... Now to the issue about Windows7 ULTIMATE........
THEY didnt put that support in Windows7 Ultimate making it no good to use with a server board!! And now I have this OS in here and am only running on 2 cores AGAIN!!! What will microsoft do to fix this issue for all the people that want to run Windows7 in their servers boards INSTEAD of the new WINDOWS SERVER 2008?
How do I get my processors to show up?? Anyone have any answers?
The Microsoft technical support told me that they cannot answer that and I would have to call technical support after I purchase Windows7 and have the issues!! WHY WOULD I WANT TO PURCHASE IT WITH THIS ISSUE !!! ANYONE?? Help please? Microsoft?

Just to clarify the post above for anyone that says it.... I have ULTIMATE . that IS the RC1. And it says 2 processors and cpuz which said 4 before I installed this NOW says 2!

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05 Oct 2009   #2

Windows 7 Home Premium x64 SP1
 
 

Check this small thread :
Physical Processors

Your problem could be driver related
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05 Oct 2009   #3

windows 7 ultimate final Office 2007,27 Quad IMAC vm 7 64 bit
 
 

it is simple Home premium does not support dual processors it supports a processor with 2 cores, Sory it is in the spec sheets. Ultimate supports dual prosessors and dual cores.
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05 Oct 2009   #4

Win7x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by abeeftec View Post
Anyway... Now to the issue about Windows7 ULTIMATE........
THEY didnt put that support in Windows7 Ultimate making it no good to use with a server board!! And now I have this OS in here and am only running on 2 cores AGAIN!!! What will microsoft do to fix this issue for all the people that want to run Windows7 in their servers boards INSTEAD of the new WINDOWS SERVER 2008?
Upper-end Windows client builds have always supported 2 physical processors. A cursory web search shows that Windows 7 should be no different - up to 2 physical processor packages with Home Premium and Ultimate.

You might want to check whether your machine is artificially hobbling itself. Run MSCONFIG, "Boot" tab, "Advanced options...".

Beyond that, I don't really know why you'd bother with a "server board", unless somebody gave it to you as a present and you've got no need for a server. There's this whole mythology around "server" components, and how they're somehow magically l33ter, but that's simply not always the case. Servers are optimised for quickly switching between many tasks corresponding to multiple client requestors, and not for dispatching a single user's requests as quickly as possible. That's why Windows Server 2008 will be a slower desktop workstation than Windows 7, even with a few tweaks applied to make it favour desktop responsiveness over serving ability.

As far as dual-proc boards are concerned, it's an utter waste of money (for a workstation) in this day and age. You pay a premium for something which is only a little faster overall than a quad-core (less bus contention). That money would have yielded far more performance had it been invested into more RAM or a faster multi-core processor.
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05 Oct 2009   #5

windows7
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by H2SO4 View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by abeeftec View Post
Anyway... Now to the issue about Windows7 ULTIMATE........
THEY didnt put that support in Windows7 Ultimate making it no good to use with a server board!! And now I have this OS in here and am only running on 2 cores AGAIN!!! What will microsoft do to fix this issue for all the people that want to run Windows7 in their servers boards INSTEAD of the new WINDOWS SERVER 2008?
Upper-end Windows client builds have always supported 2 physical processors. A cursory web search shows that Windows 7 should be no different - up to 2 physical processor packages with Home Premium and Ultimate.

You might want to check whether your machine is artificially hobbling itself. Run MSCONFIG, "Boot" tab, "Advanced options...".

Beyond that, I don't really know why you'd bother with a "server board", unless somebody gave it to you as a present and you've got no need for a server. There's this whole mythology around "server" components, and how they're somehow magically l33ter, but that's simply not always the case. Servers are optimised for quickly switching between many tasks corresponding to multiple client requestors, and not for dispatching a single user's requests as quickly as possible. That's why Windows Server 2008 will be a slower desktop workstation than Windows 7, even with a few tweaks applied to make it favour desktop responsiveness over serving ability.

As far as dual-proc boards are concerned, it's an utter waste of money (for a workstation) in this day and age. You pay a premium for something which is only a little faster overall than a quad-core (less bus contention). That money would have yielded far more performance had it been invested into more RAM or a faster multi-core processor.


Sorry but thats just not true with this board.. I score 7.1 on performance with this processor... and someone missed my point.. If it supported 2 physical processors then it would say I HAVE 4!! And it says I have 2!! which is like having a dual core! That means only one of my dual cores are being utilized.....
and this board was NOT made for WS even though it is called that. It was made as a system soon to be able to have 2 quad cores for a total of 8 cores when Intel only offered 4. It is totally redesigned to be a gaming rig. This board is an awsome board and it is comparable in real time situations in gaming to my qx9650 system. But the qx9650 beats it bad on benchmarks. nevertheless it was only a waste of money at this point because the people that did the comparisons caused AMD to scrap the whole idea. I own both systems so I know what it is capable of and what numbers it puts out.. it scores over 15,450 3dmark06 and my qx9650 system scores 19,670 and that is with a 3.9 overclock!! the AMD FX system is with a two stock 3.0 dual cores!


THE BOTTOM LINE..... IF THIS 2 PHYSICAL PROCESSOR SYSTEM WAS SUPPORTED IN WINDOWS7 IT WOULD BE SHOWING 4 PROCESSORS IN CPUZ AND in the WINDOWS SYSTEM SPECS and it does not.. therefore there is somethign wrong.. and when I reinstall VISTA ultimate it does register 4 PROCESSORS!(also proves there is nothing wrong with the system to show 2 cores in 7ultimate) and I am not confusing cores with processors.. If you guys are not reading the post then I see why you are saying things that are directly dealth with in the post!
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05 Oct 2009   #6

windows7
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Lebon14 View Post
Check this small thread :
Physical Processors

Your problem could be driver related

You may be right.. thanks alot!
I will look into that and get back.
thanks!
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05 Oct 2009   #7

Win7x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by abeeftec View Post
It is totally redesigned to be a gaming rig. This board is an awsome board and it is comparable in real time situations in gaming to my qx9650 system.
Actually, games are not yet particularly good at spawning multiple number-crunching threads. Some big tasks are easier to break up into little chunks than others. A lot of fundamental computer science research goes into that area.

Anyway, is there any chance we could do this with less emotion? I didn't insult your beloved board - I'm sure it's great. My point was that there are cheaper ways of improving desktop performance.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by abeeftec View Post
THE BOTTOM LINE..... IF THIS 2 PHYSICAL PROCESSOR SYSTEM WAS SUPPORTED IN WINDOWS7 IT WOULD BE SHOWING 4 PROCESSORS IN CPUZ AND in the WINDOWS SYSTEM SPECS and it does not.. therefore there is somethign wrong.. and when I reinstall VISTA ultimate it does register 4 PROCESSORS!(also proves there is nothing wrong with the system to show 2 cores in 7ultimate) and I am not confusing cores with processors..
It does seem as if something is wrong. However, it may be localised to your installation and not a general limitation of Win 7. Anecdotal web evidence suggests that Windows 7 Ultimate, like Vista premium, XP Pro, Win2k Pro, and NT4 workstation before it, all support 2 physical processor packages.

Did you actually check what MSCONFIG says on your machine? Is the number of processors being artificially limited?

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by abeeftec View Post
If you guys are not reading the post then I see why you are saying things that are directly dealth with in the post!
I did read your post. It's what made me suggest you check MSCONFIG, for starters.
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05 Oct 2009   #8

Windows 7 RTM Ultimate - Activated (Technet)
 
 

I think you will find that Home Premium only supports ONE Physical Processor as shown in the shot below (from Windows 7 editions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia )

Microsoft would not expect users of Home Premium to be using Server type Motherboards and those that do can use Professional, Enterprise or Ultimate depending on their needs.
You will also notice that Home Premium also only supports up to 16gb Ram where the higher spec builds support up to 192 gb.

I suggest you might want to look at an Anytime Upgrade to Professional as the minimum spec to use both Processors.


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05 Oct 2009   #9

Win7x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by andych View Post
I think you will find that Home Premium only supports ONE Physical Processor as shown in the shot below (from Windows 7 editions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia )
You responded to my post, so perhaps the comment is aimed at me?

Yes, you're quite right (according to that table), Home Premium is limited to one processor package. I got that wrong in my initial post.

However, the OP is now having trouble getting a Windows 7 Ultimate box to register the second processor package, if I understand correctly.
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05 Oct 2009   #10

Windows 8.1 Pro (x64)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by andych View Post
I think you will find that Home Premium only supports ONE Physical Processor as shown in the shot below (from Windows 7 editions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia )
I suppose Paul Thurrott could have gotten it wrong but in his table, Home Premium is listed for 2 Physical Processors. http://www.winsupersite.com/win7/win...sp#performance
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